[Illuyankas]

QuickTidal;186904 said:

You're arguing semantics about a book in which dragons exist.

It's like when Roger Ebert said he didn't like the second Mummy film because he didn't think they could outrun the rising of the sun like they did....and I emailed him and asked why he was arguing for plausibility in a movie where they've raised a mummy from the dead...

Well, if you've made a fictional universe with its own set of rules, you should stick to them, otherwise you're cheating your audience. Sort of like how, if Jules Verne had done his figures, he could have made the Nautilius ten feet longer and achieve neutral buoyancy, instead of making up antigravity engines in an act of laziness. The 'invisible book', the research that's gone into a good novel explaining the wacky shit that's happened, is one of my favourite parts of a scifi book.

Having said all that, it's much less important in a fantasy novel, and even less so in a film as long as it's not a plot point, or just really, really stupid.

[QuickTidal]

come on now, that's like the pure geekdom way of looking at it. Like Star Trek fans (of which I am thankfully not one) talking logistics....hell you want to talk logistics of space.....any movie where a ship blows up in space (and that's most of them) is bollocks because space is a vacum ect....

Or Star Wars fans saying, whcy does the lightsaber cast a shadow in A NEw Hope when it is itself a source of light?

Just accept that it ain't perfect....it's fiction after all.

If dragons in Novik's ALTERNATE UNIVERSE earth (where things could be different Science/physics-wise) have gas in them that makes them boyant enough to drag their huge bodies through flight...then I'm okay with that. It's called parking your brain at the door.

[Illuyankas]

Films, I can allow, most of the time. Fantasy, too, as it's not based on real-world physics, again most of the time. But having a book full of feasible technology, where everything could be built, and then have the plot swing on grossly contravening those said physics, in a ridiculous way, just sucks. To use your analogy, it's your brain driving along a road and then taking a blind corner straight into a drawbridge.

[Wiggles]

QuickTidal;186913 said:

come on now, that's like the pure geekdom way of looking at it. Like Star Trek fans (of which I am thankfully not one) talking logistics....hell you want to talk logistics of space.....any movie where a ship blows up in space (and that's most of them) is bollocks because space is a vacum ect....

err? are you trying to say things cant explode if theyre in space?

[QuickTidal]

Wiggles;186932 said:

err? are you trying to say things cant explode if theyre in space?

No, I am saying that is something explodes in space, the explosion would dissapate almost imediately...no air for the fire to have life.

[Wiggles]

would there be a point to this going any further? my subconcious says 'no'

[williamjm]

QuickTidal;187060 said:

No, I am saying that is something explodes in space, the explosion would dissapate almost imediately...no air for the fire to have life.

It's the strangely popular two-dimensional shockwaves in space after the explosions that I find particularly puzzling.

[Tif the Barber Boy]

williamjm;187479 said:

It's the strangely popular two-dimensional shockwaves in space after the explosions that I find particularly puzzling.

And even more puzzling was why a two-dimensional shock-wave was ADDED to explosion of the Death Star in the special edition Star Wars.

Maybe we should start a new thread: Favourite two-dimensional shock-wave in a movie?

Maybe not. I'm going to bed.

[Wiggles]

Tif the Barber Boy;187496 said:

And even more puzzling was why a two-dimensional shock-wave was ADDED to explosion of the Death Star in the special edition Star Wars.

Maybe we should start a new thread: Favourite two-dimensional shock-wave in a movie?

Maybe not. I'm going to bed.

despite how stupid it is when you think about it, you would only see a 2-d shockwave, not an expanding ball. and in the death star, the ring around the center would be where the gases, bits of insides, radiation from the core, ect would find the easiest escape to the vacuum since the belt has all of the docking bays and what not which are pseudo-open to space... oh fuck me. *shoots self*

[McLovin]

Wiggles;187523 said:

despite how stupid it is when you think about it, you would only see a 2-d shockwave, not an expanding ball. and in the death star, the ring around the center would be where the gases, bits of insides, radiation from the core, ect would find the easiest escape to the vacuum since the belt has all of the docking bays and what not which are pseudo-open to space... oh fuck me. *shoots self*

CLOSET FANBOI!!!!!!

*loses all respect for Saint Biggus*

[Wiggles]

Im sorry. I was just accepted to do a phd in physicsy stuff, I am now entitled to completely and absolutely make shit up about sci-fi stuff.

for the record: all 6 star wars movies are complete and utter shit.

now go back to the topic about this chickwhomaybehot and her bookswhichmaybegood.

[McLovin]

Are you going to train to be...a professor?!

Heh. Ha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But seriously, let me know where, so I can avoid sending my kids.

[Wiggles]

hell no. It's just that I'd shoot myself before I do grad level civil eng stuff (unless the end result was like, being a 30 year old VP of a civil firm), and this is all the same shit, but with LASERS, so its actually in no way similar.

*edit* hold on a sec. Just what is it you and yours have degrees in again?

[McLovin]

In something that's gonna pay off BIG once your fucked-up kiddies reach adulthood

[Wiggles]

our lesbifriend neighbors are psychologists too, so we wont be letting you touch our kids.

[McLovin]

damn, there goes my retirement plan. oh well...

[Varunwe]

I don't mind the airbags allow the dragons to fly. The point is that they fly. As long as they don't use airplanes

[Tif the Barber Boy]

Varunwe;187803 said:

I don't mind the airbags allow the dragons to fly. The point is that they fly. As long as they don't use airplanes

Presumably the air bags are filled with some kind of flammable gas such as hydrogen. So my question is, if someone shot a dragon in the chest, and the air bag exploded, would the explosion have a two-dimensional shock wave?

Physicists and sundry others, your expert opinion is solicited.

[Wiggles]

uhm... the dragons are in space? That is pretty damned cool.

[QuickTidal]

Tif the Barber Boy;187832 said:

Presumably the air bags are filled with some kind of flammable gas such as hydrogen. So my question is, if someone shot a dragon in the chest, and the air bag exploded, would the explosion have a two-dimensional shock wave?

Physicists and sundry others, your expert opinion is solicited.

Okay,.....this made me HOWL out loud!!!