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Omtose Phellack was part of what held Calm. Icarium and the T'lan Imass worked together on that. You don't mention Chaos at all though, and Karsa certainly repels that.
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 09:46 PM
Because Chaos is an unknown. I don't have a clue where it fits in among all that. Edit: If you pinpoint where the opposing chaos happened, though (can't remember clearly, and don't have books with me), I might take a stab at it.
I don't recall any mention of wards in Calm's release.
I don't recall any mention of wards in Calm's release.
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 09:53 PM
First, with Binadas - This might've been Chaos, and it might've been KE. I think it was Chaos though.
Second, when he attacks the Edur in TBH. He kills at least one mage there, correct?
Calm had to have been Warded, or she would've gotten out on her own.
Second, when he attacks the Edur in TBH. He kills at least one mage there, correct?
Calm had to have been Warded, or she would've gotten out on her own.
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 10:27 PM
The nature of the wards on the stone imprisoning Calm are not known. Both Icarium and the Imass worked on it, so potentially OP & Tellan, though Icarium does not seem to be restricted to Omtose Phellack...
But you have to remember that Karsa did not appear to neutralise the wards as he does in later books - this was young Karsa, before all the trauma and character-building. Either Bairoth or Delum touched the stone and noted that the wards did not affect them, and then the three of them just lifted up the stone. There wasn't necessarily any dispelling going on. They physically freed Calm, not magically.
But you have to remember that Karsa did not appear to neutralise the wards as he does in later books - this was young Karsa, before all the trauma and character-building. Either Bairoth or Delum touched the stone and noted that the wards did not affect them, and then the three of them just lifted up the stone. There wasn't necessarily any dispelling going on. They physically freed Calm, not magically.
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 10:59 PM
I seem to remember the Jaghut female that Karsa releases, with the Tellan wards, say something to the effect of Karsa having honed ignorance to a weapon. The wards there did affect him, but he somehow threw off the rocks/focus points of the wards regardless. At least, that's the impression that I got.
As for Binadas... I always got the impression that he was one who stuck with Kurald Emurlahn, instead of Chaos. Can't say I have any real basis for this, but Tomad Sengar's Army at the attack on High Fort(?) had proper fighting, instead of sorcery gone mad killing everything, like Hannan Mosag and co unleashed. To me, this indicates that the mages attached to Tomad's army used KE, and not Chaos.
As for Binadas... I always got the impression that he was one who stuck with Kurald Emurlahn, instead of Chaos. Can't say I have any real basis for this, but Tomad Sengar's Army at the attack on High Fort(?) had proper fighting, instead of sorcery gone mad killing everything, like Hannan Mosag and co unleashed. To me, this indicates that the mages attached to Tomad's army used KE, and not Chaos.
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 11:39 PM
Also with Karsa having his own walking warren which is elder he could probably defeat a lot of other elder warren users too without the bloodoil having anything to do with it. I don't think the bloodoil has that much to do with magics inneffectiveness, as every time someone unleashes on Karsa he shrugs the power off. This probably means he unconsiously uses his own personal warren to carry out his singular will, which is to crush all who stand against him. A Thelomen Toblakai's personal warrens are probably unique in that they aren't aspected to anything except themselves.
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Posted 07 May 2006 - 12:11 PM
I really liked Karsa at the end of HoC because he started to develop some sense and modesty aswell as dealing the smackdown, but in tBH he seemed to take a few steps backward and go back to his arrogant unjustified killing like at the start of HoC, so i liked him a bit less. But he's still an awesome character.
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Posted 08 May 2006 - 10:20 PM
I have to agree with Jaghut Jim, I think the singular will is very important, when you look at magic users, they seem to be more powerfull based on certain things, in anything drive can be a definging factor, and if he is indeed a unconcious user of magic... well this could be with such focused will he can shrug off most magical attacks... remember when they tried to take him orginally with the net used for deep water beasts.... and he kept fighting against it.
Ignorance is bliss they say.
Ignorance is bliss they say.
