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The Liveship Traders (series - by Robin Hobb)

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Posted 25 January 2006 - 11:54 AM

This is Robin Hobb's second series and, while it is meant to be set in the same universe as her first series the only connection is the mystery of the dragons and elderlings and what happend to them.

The story follows the fortunes of the Vesitrit trader family and a priate captain. As the story opens the Vesitrits have awakened their first liveship (as it says - a living ship) and their fortunes seem to be on the rise, however the new man of the household wants to use the ship to trade slaves and a certain pirate captain is intent on aquiring a liveship. Over it all hangs the mystery of the liveship's sentience.

The series has a genuinely engaging mystery and the characterisation is good - though some characters are drawn better than others. The series is superbly plotted and paced - this is its prime strenght. Although the best thing for long term fantasy fans is that it avoids many of the cliches of the genre.

In case you haven't guessed the verdict it is an excellent series and heartily recommended.

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Posted 25 January 2006 - 02:22 PM

I detested it. I was so dissapointed to find that Hobb had gone from the first person perspective. A perspective she does better than most other authors I've read. I was also very anoyed by the way the story in the liveship traders follows a much more stereothypical fantasy formula than the assassin trilogy did. There were so many clichés I gritted my teeth several times.

My verdict would be that this is the kind of series usualy enjoyed by those who like stereothypical fantasy with more Brooks/Eddings like storylines.
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Posted 25 January 2006 - 07:15 PM

While i dont think it was quite as bad as brooks or eddings i didnt much care for it either.

I just kept reading and reading figuring itd all go somewhere eventually.

It didnt. Just kept riding the edge between mediocrity and actual dullness for 3 books and then rounded it off with an anti-climax.

Hobb couldnt write a decent ending if her life depended on it.
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Posted 25 January 2006 - 07:42 PM

It was good. It wiped the floor with Farseer, which was certainly the most boring fantasy series I'd read in a while. The characters were great and the worldbuilding (Hobbs' biggest flaw) was less cliched. However, the series was overlong and it did kind of go round and round in circles for a while. And agreed, Hobb is incapable of writing a barstorming, great climax to a series.
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Posted 25 January 2006 - 09:15 PM

I love Liveship Traders. Sure, it's not the most original series out there but I would never compare it to Eddings and Brooks. And Hobb's character development is second to none, period. I was so affected by these books that there were periods when I just stopped reading for no other reason but simply because I feared that some of the characters would get into even further trouble. And I actually liked the ending, although it was rushed.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 12:48 AM

I have read the Farseer and the Tawny Man series but I have yet to read Live Ship though I still want to at some point. I have to say and no I am not ashamed to admit it but....

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When Nighteyes died in the Tawny man I wept, never has a character affected me like this in anything I have ever read and I am forever in debt to Robin Hobb for this, it was wonderous! Truly so!

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 12:47 PM

I must admit that I loved the farseer trilogy they were great. But when it came to the lIveship series I got half way through the first book and hated it nothing made me want to keep on reading. Tried the Tawny man read book one it was ok but nothing special and I have not picked up the next two as have had no urge to other better things to read out there (e.g. erikson and bakker again before release of next books).
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 02:08 PM

I really enjoyed the Farseer trilogy, as well as the tawny man trilogy. Both of which are excellent works of fantasy in my eyes. I think Hobb's endings are one of her strenghts.

The liveships books bothered me greatly, and I'll never accept them to be anything but borderlining between crap and mediocre
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 03:11 AM

Yeah, I've read the Farseer and Tawny Man Trilogies, liked them (Farseer better than Tawny Man by far). Couldn't even trudge through the first book of the Liveship Traders. Just... meh. Bored me to tears.

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 12:27 AM

I liked it alot. Not original? How much more original a concept could you make? Living Ships(sort of). And quite cool it is too.

This is actually my favourite series from Hobb.

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 03:03 AM

Haven't read the Liveship series, and don't really care to, but I did read the Farseer series and Tawny Man series. Loved Farseer and thought it ended perfectly! However, to take how she ended Farseer (relationships-wise) and give everyone the predictable ending that I was pleasantly surprised WASN'T at the end of Farseer, but then it almost seemed like a cop-out to let Tawny Man end with *ahem* those two ending up together.....I thought it a shame...but then I am an Anime freak and LOVE the japanese ideal mof ending things on a bittersweet note.
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Posted 28 January 2006 - 04:38 AM

I skipped the Liveship trilogy and moved on to Fool's Errand. Hopefully it speeds up because it lacks the depth to justify this pace. Hobb's books are a guilty pleasure I guess, but almost everything from the fantasy section is.

Speaking of guilty pleasures, it's nice to find another anime fan here! If you haven't already, watch Elfen Lied!
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Posted 28 January 2006 - 07:12 AM

i enjoyed the liveship trilogy more than the first farseer trilogy, though i haven't read the second series
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Posted 28 January 2006 - 03:33 PM

Harold Bloom said:

I skipped the Liveship trilogy and moved on to Fool's Errand. Hopefully it speeds up because it lacks the depth to justify this pace. Hobb's books are a guilty pleasure I guess, but almost everything from the fantasy section is.

Speaking of guilty pleasures, it's nice to find another anime fan here! If you haven't already, watch Elfen Lied!


Yeah, Fools Errand doesn't get interesting until Fitz finally leaves the cabin and goes to Buckeep, which is about half way through.

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Posted 28 January 2006 - 10:03 PM

I like Robin Hobb. I liked some of the books from her previous incarnation too, when she was Megan Lindholm.

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 06:11 AM

She wrote under the name Megan Lindholm?! What did Megan Lindholm write?
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Posted 29 January 2006 - 04:10 PM

She wrote the Reindeer people and Wolfs brother along with the KI and Vandien quartet. Theres probably a few others but theyve all been out of print for some years now so theyre hard to find but well worth the read if you can get hold of them.
As for the Liveship Traders I startred reading it about a year after finishing Tawny man. I didnt find it as emotionally involving as the Farseer or Tawny man series and at first Wintrows religious rambling and Malta and Altheas self centered attitudes nearly put me off. But I did find it had me hooked and by the middle of book 2 I found I actually cared about what happened to the characters. Even the bad ones. So as the original poster said Liveships is well worth reading once you get into it and Id reccomend it to anyone who likes Hobbs work.
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Posted 29 January 2006 - 06:23 PM

Just gave up reading the first book in the Liveships Traders, it bored me too much and I didn't find one single character I liked/enjoyed reading about. Didn't like the Farseer trilogy either but everyone keeps going on about what a good author she is so I thought one of her other series maybe were better. Ah well I think I'm done with Hobb. You can't like every author.
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Posted 14 February 2006 - 08:57 AM

i love the liveship books i give them ;)
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