[Obdigore]

Studlock, on 05 December 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

Thank for your condescending responses. My view point requires institutionalized racism to be the root cause of all other racism, racist attitudes are allowed to be reflected in popular culture because it's allowed in the society by both the populous and gov't. But sure I'll just crack open my fucking dictionary, I'm sure that'll be better than the 4 years+ of post secondary education, specializing in areas of systemic abuse (sociology) and I'm sure it'll tell me that I am wrong, my professors and a large body of study is wrong.

And Morgoth, way to set up a terrible argument. Reverse Racism =/= any of shit you're saying because guess what abuse of workers in North America and European society? Actually exists. Discrimination of women in the workplace? Actually exists. Actual racism against white people in the vast majority of the world? Not a fucking thing. But please tell me how fucking stupid I am again, I am sure that fixes you're argument right up. Typical white bullshit, I wasn't even insulting, I tired to approach it as politely as possible.

Your super elite internet qualifications not withstanding, perhaps you can explain to me why you agree with Morgoth when he is showing you why your viewpoint is stagnant and racist, because you only care about racism perpetuated towards you and yours, and don't even, apparently, believe that racism can exist outside of what happens to you.

But good last sentence, really shows up your entire viewpoint.

Edit: Can we have have a MOD maybe cut these posts out and move them into the Debate forum or something? Starting to feel guilty polluting this thread, but

This post has been edited by Possibly Brent Weeks: 05 December 2013 - 10:33 AM

[Studlock]

It's not me and mine it basically everybody else and white people. And I didn't...agree with him? Like saying we should fight for worker's and women's rights? Because we should because those things are actually a problem within society. Unlike racism against white people. I'm honest, show me a single study or census report that shows discrimination against white people and I'll bow down to you.

And yes my last sentence does show my POV, a POV of a POC who has faced condescending attitudes that always fall into name calling since grade school onward because of my skin colour. But I'm sure you can relate, being a person who also has constantly faced discriminated against you, and being dismissed because of skin colour.

EDIT: I second that motion.

This post has been edited by Studlock: 05 December 2013 - 10:35 AM

[Obdigore]

Studlock, on 05 December 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

It's not me and mine it basically everybody else and white people. And I didn't...agree with him? Like saying we should fight for worker's and women's rights? Because we should because those things are actually a problem within society. Unlike racism against white people. I'm honest, show me a single study or census report that shows discrimination against white people and I'll bow down to you.

And yes my last sentence does show my POV, a POV of a POC who has faced condescending attitudes that always fall into name calling since grade school onward because of my skin colour. But I'm sure you can relate, being a person who also has constantly faced discriminated against you, and being dismissed because of skin colour.

EDIT: I second that motion.

No one has called you names. They called your argument stupid. And it is. Your blinders continue to imply that racism can't exist against anyone except you and yours, because that is all you know.

[Tattersail_]

I am reading The Black House by Peter May

[Studlock]

I asked you explained to me how racism comments actually affect the white populous. I asked you to show me any study or census to prove me wrong. You did neither. My 'blinders' happen to have a reality bias, as in, let's call this racism' affects the how the gov't work's on all levels against POC, how society constantly attacks, erases, and harms POC from popular culture to physical reality. Can you, once again, explain to me how racism against white people actually affects white people in any meaningful way?

And ridiculous as it is would be at this point, but I will point out that you currently use you're white privilege to call my argument stupid, even though anyway you slice it, I'd be consider the voice of authority in this situation. I , for one actually experience racism, and have actually studied racism in post-secondary school (which of course you'll dismiss as 'internet experience')

[Brujah]

Studlock, on 05 December 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

It's not me and mine it basically everybody else and white people.

Seriously? And THIS guy is preaching about racism?

This would be like allowing the town drunk to teach an AA class.



You're seriously in great need of a broader view of the world, Stud. Not all 'white people' are whatever this horrible stereotype you have in your head. You realize there are 'good guys' out there too. But especially the people on this forum. No one here deserves this limited, narrow-minded view of them.

Dude, think it all you want. Just keep it to yourself. You're calling out the wrong people. You're quite misguided in your beliefs, man. I feel sorry for you, for you're too blind to see that you're the embodiment of the exact persona you've so reverently been preaching against.

[Studlock]

Ganoes Paran, on 05 December 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

I am reading The Black House by Peter May

I've recently read a book called Indian Horse by Canadian author Richard Wagamese. If you enjoy hockey, a little magical realism (in the forms of visions), and books based in recent history I'd recommend it.

[Obdigore]

Studlock, on 05 December 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

I asked you explained to me how racism comments actually affect the white populous. I asked you to show me any study or census to prove me wrong. You did neither. My 'blinders' happen to have a reality bias, as in, let's call this racism' affects the how the gov't work's on all levels against POC, how society constantly attacks, erases, and harms POC from popular culture to physical reality. Can you, once again, explain to me how racism against white people actually affects white people in any meaningful way?

And ridiculous as it is would be at this point, but I will point out that you currently use you're white privilege to call my argument stupid, even though anyway you slice it, I'd be consider the voice of authority in this situation. I , for one actually experience racism, and have actually studied racism in post-secondary school (which of course you'll dismiss as 'internet experience')

We could talk about Asian Xenophobic Cultures. We could talk about African Cultures that are becoming much more Xenophobic. We could talk about Middle Eastern racism.

But if you studied racism in post secondary, you _should_ already know all about that and we don't need to talk about it, right? Or did you just not care about that because it doesn't effect you?

I'm kind of laughing at you implying I'm using my white privilege to debate you on the internet.

And, if you are/were as educated as you keep claiming, you would also know that personal anecdotes and appeals to authority aren't in any way acceptable argumentative tactics.

But please keep telling me how because I'm white you can say/do anything about me or my race and not be wrong because you may have been oppressed by other whites.

Racism, be it 'fuck you whitey', or institutionalized slavery, is wrong. Just because you don't care about anything beyond you and yours doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Studlock]

Brujah, on 05 December 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Studlock, on 05 December 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

It's not me and mine it basically everybody else and white people.

Seriously? And THIS guy is preaching about racism?

This would be like allowing the town drunk to teach an AA class.



You're seriously in great need of a broader view of the world, Stud. Not all 'white people' are whatever this horrible stereotype you have in your head. You realize there are 'good guys' out there too. But especially the people on this forum. No one here deserves this limited, narrow-minded view of them.

Dude, think it all you want. Just keep it to yourself. You're calling out the wrong people. You're quite misguided in your beliefs, man. I feel sorry for you, for you're too blind to see that you're the embodiment of the exact persona you've so reverently been preaching against.

Alcoholics often run AA classes because of their experiences with alcoholism. Also these are not my beliefs, these are numerous studies done in Canada and the USA that shows this is how racism is playing out in reality. I do know the 'good ones' I study and learn with them...

[Brujah]

Ganoes Paran, on 05 December 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

I am reading The Black House by Peter May

vote Tatts

Obvious attempted deflection from the Studlock train.

[Tattersail_]

Brujah, on 05 December 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 05 December 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

I am reading The Black House by Peter May

vote Tatts

Obvious attempted deflection from the Studlock train.

I can't help you if you cannot help yourselves. I was shocked at Amph's post. Racism is bad whomever is the target. Why can't we all be friends?

[Studlock]

Possibly Brent Weeks, on 05 December 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

Studlock, on 05 December 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

I asked you explained to me how racism comments actually affect the white populous. I asked you to show me any study or census to prove me wrong. You did neither. My 'blinders' happen to have a reality bias, as in, let's call this racism' affects the how the gov't work's on all levels against POC, how society constantly attacks, erases, and harms POC from popular culture to physical reality. Can you, once again, explain to me how racism against white people actually affects white people in any meaningful way?

And ridiculous as it is would be at this point, but I will point out that you currently use you're white privilege to call my argument stupid, even though anyway you slice it, I'd be consider the voice of authority in this situation. I , for one actually experience racism, and have actually studied racism in post-secondary school (which of course you'll dismiss as 'internet experience')

We could talk about Asian Xenophobic Cultures. We could talk about African Cultures that are becoming much more Xenophobic. We could talk about Middle Eastern racism.

But if you studied racism in post secondary, you _should_ already know all about that and we don't need to talk about it, right? Or did you just not care about that because it doesn't effect you?

I'm kind of laughing at you implying I'm using my white privilege to debate you on the internet.

And, if you are/were as educated as you keep claiming, you would also know that personal anecdotes and appeals to authority aren't in any way acceptable argumentative tactics.

But please keep telling me how because I'm white you can say/do anything about me or my race and not be wrong because you may have been oppressed by other whites.

Racism, be it 'fuck you whitey', or institutionalized slavery, is wrong. Just because you don't care about anything beyond you and yours doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Yes, I do know cultures in places that were previously colonized by European powers are in a cultural throw back against white...but I also know that many of those countries are also used by European and American multi-national corporations for cheaper wages and exploit their natural resources for the benefit of the West. Personal anecdotes are often the start of bigger studies in the social sciences and what would ask a physicist about physics be but appeal to authority (this one got me laughing...what are scientists but authorities...to assume there are not authorities would to assume that everyone has equal standing on the subject)? I'm not saying that I can do what I want, I actually guarantee that I wouldn't be able without a greater punishment if you were to do the same to me. I am not saying POC can't be racist to each other, of course they can, there is systems already in place to allow to do so. For white people not so much.

Again you still haven't showed me anything saying I'm wrong...like a study, or anything...basically anything but you saying I'm wrong.

EDIT: just so you know, the 'racism is bad not matter what' argument is often used by people who believe we live in a colour-blind society...which is obviously not the case anywhere you go.

This post has been edited by Studlock: 05 December 2013 - 11:13 AM

[Tiste Simeon]

Ganoes Paran, on 05 December 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Brujah, on 05 December 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 05 December 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

I am reading The Black House by Peter May

vote Tatts

Obvious attempted deflection from the Studlock train.

I can't help you if you cannot help yourselves. I was shocked at Amph's post. Racism is bad whomever is the target. Why can't we all be friends?

Yeah just don't tell us that a book called The White House is superior...

[Obdigore]

Ganoes Paran, on 05 December 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Brujah, on 05 December 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 05 December 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

I am reading The Black House by Peter May

vote Tatts

Obvious attempted deflection from the Studlock train.

I can't help you if you cannot help yourselves. I was shocked at Amph's post. Racism is bad whomever is the target. Why can't we all be friends?

Because Whitey hates other cultures, apparently.

[Aptorian]

I have no idea what the hell this weird bizarro-racism debate is about but maybe somebody should make a new thread and move the discussion over there?

[Studlock]

And I'm still over here like 'wonder when that study/census of how white people are oppressed is going to show up'. Seriously, white don't hate other cultures, they just benefit from not being them. They can't be discriminated against in any meaningful way when it comes to race...it's not that they are all raving manics. It's about systematic oppression not 'oh I got my feelings hurt'. But please continue feeling hurt over how much that bad man hurt you when he said white people don't like reading about other cultures (which I'd like to point isn't overly untrue) and I'll still be here being systematically discriminated against. But both of those things are equal right?

This post has been edited by Studlock: 05 December 2013 - 11:27 AM

[Tattersail_]

Brent when do you bring your third book out in the Lightbringer series?

I also was reading something the other day on Tumblr, let me find it...

https://24.media.tum...ulzyro1_500.gif

No not that, I just come across that. One second...

http://dirtylies-myr...-reverse-racist

http://thegoddamazon...rm-ange-gardien

I see how they are somewhat relevant.

[Obdigore]

Studlock, on 05 December 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

And I'm still over here like 'wonder when that study/census of how white people are oppressed is going to show up'. Seriously, white don't hate other cultures, they just benefit from not being them. They can't be discriminated against in any meaningful way when it comes to race...it's not that they are all raving manics. It's about systematic oppression not 'oh I got my feelings hurt'. But please continue feeling hurt over how much that bad man hurt you when he said white people don't like reading about other cultures (which I'd like to point isn't overly untrue) and I'll still be here being systematically discriminated against. But both of those things are equal right?

Again, you decide that Systematic Discrimination is the only possible definition of racism. Stop. It.

[Tattersail_]

There are three different Brent Weeks in here. Is one real? I loved his first two books of the Lightbringer series. So if one of you is Brent, well done from me. I will buy the third

[Studlock]

TELL ME WHY IT ISN"T THEN!

Seriously you've been going on about how I'm because of this, that, and the other thing but you've have not explained to why. You've not shown me how systematic racism is the only racism that actually affects reality. You've giving no proof other than it's 'wrong' or even explained to me why it's wrong (obviously I know why because being an asshole is assholish but that doesn't really equate to systematic racism does it? Unless of course you actually thinks it does, and if that's the case then hahahahaha).

Basically this entire time you've been saying: 'you're wrong and I'm right'. I've tired to explained to how being discriminated against on a personal level while there is no gov't and social systems in place to support that discrimination is not the same as having those systems in place. Basically I'm telling you you're definition of racism (a definition defined by white people) is wrong. The dictionary is wrong on this is one.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=dw_mRaIHb-M this video basically sums up my point much better than I have apparently.

This post has been edited by Studlock: 05 December 2013 - 11:41 AM