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I've finally finished reading Midnight tides and one thing struck me as odd and that was Trull himself. Reading House of Chains you'd never have thought he was as skilful as a warrior as he is portrayed in Tides or that he is such a deep thinker. Only he out of the Senegar brothers seems to possess the capacity to question what is really going on. Yet in Chains he seems to be portrayed as being quite youthful in experience and outlook. Yet aside from Rhulad who is magically augmented he is the one Edur warrior who shows he is a highly trained and cunning warrior. Fear who is accounted as weapons master acknowledges as much as does Trulls deeds against the sole-taken on their way home from their failed quest for the WarLock King.
Also it is he not Fear that shows the courage of his convictions to return to his brother and try to steer him from his path of madness.
Its a pity that neither he , Brys and Withal will be able to sit down and have a beer to compare notes. It would make quite an interesting interlude.
Once again a great story filled with wonderful characters.
Amazing how different the writing in Tides and to some extent Chains is to GOTM.
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Trull - his personality
#2 Guest_Gode_*
Posted 11 December 2005 - 07:38 AM
First of all, I believe that Trull went pretty much the majority of HoC without a spear. And once he got a spear, I don't think he ever actually used it. My memory may be a little bit foggy on that point, but I think that that was the case.
And as for him being a deep thinker, in HoC, it seemed almost like he was... depressed. Like he'd sorta given up on life, or at least on his faith in the general goodness of erm, humanity? Tiste Edurity? Whatever term he'd use to describe his race.
I may be reaching here, but I think that as HoC went on, you could sort of see him awakening to himself, and becoming more aware of his surroundings, and a little less, well, depressed. It was almost like his life lacked meaning after having been Shorn, but meeting Onrack sorta brought him back to real life.
Just my thoughts.
And as for him being a deep thinker, in HoC, it seemed almost like he was... depressed. Like he'd sorta given up on life, or at least on his faith in the general goodness of erm, humanity? Tiste Edurity? Whatever term he'd use to describe his race.
I may be reaching here, but I think that as HoC went on, you could sort of see him awakening to himself, and becoming more aware of his surroundings, and a little less, well, depressed. It was almost like his life lacked meaning after having been Shorn, but meeting Onrack sorta brought him back to real life.
Just my thoughts.
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Posted 11 December 2005 - 07:47 AM
Hi Gode,
reading Chains I just got the impression that Trull was a young warrior who got on the wrong side of the wrong people, reading Tides you find that he is amongst the foremost of the warriors of the Edur brave intelligent and honourable and that he is a member of the emperors entourage and family, don't forget it was he that wounded serenity enough for those other blows to injure him causing the deadly Forkrul Assail to flee, and it was he that basically won the war for the Edur when he cast that spear at the Ceda.
I did not expect Trull to be the character that he was in Tides. I mean you'd expect the Trull from Chains to mature into the person he was in Tides. not regress, depression or no depression.
reading Chains I just got the impression that Trull was a young warrior who got on the wrong side of the wrong people, reading Tides you find that he is amongst the foremost of the warriors of the Edur brave intelligent and honourable and that he is a member of the emperors entourage and family, don't forget it was he that wounded serenity enough for those other blows to injure him causing the deadly Forkrul Assail to flee, and it was he that basically won the war for the Edur when he cast that spear at the Ceda.
I did not expect Trull to be the character that he was in Tides. I mean you'd expect the Trull from Chains to mature into the person he was in Tides. not regress, depression or no depression.
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Posted 11 December 2005 - 07:53 AM
Well I personally never saw trull come accross as young myself in HoC.
Maybe around the mid 20's age group or whatever that age translates for a Tiste Edur.
I did think it was rather cool to read about him as such a major character in MT when he played a fairly minor role in HoC.
I can remember now at the end of HoC that he was about to face the renegade Tiste Edur with a spear.
He says something along the lines to Monok and Onrack I think how he is 'fair' with a spear. sorta speaks volumes as to his modesty as well.
Maybe around the mid 20's age group or whatever that age translates for a Tiste Edur.
I did think it was rather cool to read about him as such a major character in MT when he played a fairly minor role in HoC.
I can remember now at the end of HoC that he was about to face the renegade Tiste Edur with a spear.
He says something along the lines to Monok and Onrack I think how he is 'fair' with a spear. sorta speaks volumes as to his modesty as well.
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Posted 14 December 2005 - 03:11 PM
Trull Sengar is one of my fave characters.
I have high hopes for seeing him in the Bonehunters, and what may become of him... oh and Onrack too... wonder if he'll get to meet up with Kilava at some time in the future? (I'm a sucker for enrequited romance
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He was a quiet and thoughfull character in HoC, but I think a lot of that had to do with the trauma of the Shorning.
Consider, up until then he'd lived a pretty sheltered and settled life.. ground rules laid out and all that.. Then along comes something that you are helpless to prevent...and you realise that you are the only one who can see what's happening to the people you've known your entire life.
Not just that, when you try and show them how differently they are acting, how they are changing.. they turn on you and make you out to be the villain... poor guy.
I have high hopes for seeing him in the Bonehunters, and what may become of him... oh and Onrack too... wonder if he'll get to meet up with Kilava at some time in the future? (I'm a sucker for enrequited romance
)He was a quiet and thoughfull character in HoC, but I think a lot of that had to do with the trauma of the Shorning.
Consider, up until then he'd lived a pretty sheltered and settled life.. ground rules laid out and all that.. Then along comes something that you are helpless to prevent...and you realise that you are the only one who can see what's happening to the people you've known your entire life.
Not just that, when you try and show them how differently they are acting, how they are changing.. they turn on you and make you out to be the villain... poor guy.
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Posted 14 December 2005 - 06:54 PM
There's also the question of what happened between the end of MT and the shorning in HoC.
Somewhere along the way there he became aware of the CG's manipulations and tried to influence Rhulad, unsuccessfully.
But i did love the way MT put that HoC comment about him being ok with a spear in context. Brilliant.
The only real action he saw was with the Eres witch. Otherwise he spent time watching Onrack do all the fighting.
Again, a character who is evolving over the course of the story... one of SE's strongest points.
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Somewhere along the way there he became aware of the CG's manipulations and tried to influence Rhulad, unsuccessfully.
But i did love the way MT put that HoC comment about him being ok with a spear in context. Brilliant.
The only real action he saw was with the Eres witch.
Otherwise he spent time watching Onrack do all the fighting.Again, a character who is evolving over the course of the story... one of SE's strongest points.
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 02:16 PM
I really need to be more forgiving. This eye-for-an-eye thing's turned me bitter. I know Trull 'had no choice' but to kill the Ceda but I can never forgive him for it....I don't know why. Anyway, that's one character that I'll not be devastated to see die (if/when he goes)....that's terrible really because outside of that I thought he was such an AMAZING person-in-character. Ah well....
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 05:50 AM
I think Trull, coming from such an insular society, shorn from that society and the place he had in it was just completely out of his comfort zone in HoC. I mean, you would be a put out if you had been totally cut off from everything you had ever known (even if you didn't think things were going all that well) chained to a wall and left to die AND if the first creature you came across was undead. There isn't really mention of warrens or holds or other magics other than KE amongst the male Tiste Edur at least and to so suddenly have your eyes opened, quite rudely, to the big wide world(s)would be a bit unsettleing. And yeah hes a prat for killing the Ceda, I liked him, but Trull is kind of cool, kind of.....maybe....sort of
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 08:36 PM
If I try not to think about the ceda I can still like Trull. A bit 
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Im sure all of the points made are relevant, about 'eyes opened to the big wide world' and all that, but I think part of the character difference is just the inevitable side effect of beginning the characte in one book then living out his previous life beforehand in the next book.
.Im sure all of the points made are relevant, about 'eyes opened to the big wide world' and all that, but I think part of the character difference is just the inevitable side effect of beginning the characte in one book then living out his previous life beforehand in the next book.
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 08:56 PM
if you think back on the ceda-mosag battle, you'll notice trull realises ceda's magic against the edur will not stop in the throne room but spread on the rest of the edur.
i like ceda, but trull remains my favourite character. he stood his ground while everyone else bent their necks and obeyed unquestionigly (something tells me i didnt type that last word right).
i like ceda, but trull remains my favourite character. he stood his ground while everyone else bent their necks and obeyed unquestionigly (something tells me i didnt type that last word right
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Posted 23 January 2006 - 02:44 AM
I never blamed Trull for killing the Ceda because he had to do it or the Edur would have been annihilated. Trull was always for the Edur, but the old ways not what mosag had created by making the deal with the crippled god.
I like Trull and I have high hopes for his character in The Bonehunters. I really thought he was the only Edur who had any moral sense and almost always where violence and war are concerned, morality gets punished.
Trull is the conscience that the Edur as a nation lacked, and yet he still went against his own conscience and threw his spear. Trull is a tower of strength among a people who had none.
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I like Trull and I have high hopes for his character in The Bonehunters. I really thought he was the only Edur who had any moral sense and almost always where violence and war are concerned, morality gets punished.
Trull is the conscience that the Edur as a nation lacked, and yet he still went against his own conscience and threw his spear. Trull is a tower of strength among a people who had none.
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Posted 23 January 2006 - 07:42 AM
Rahl Windsong said:
Trull is the conscience that the Edur as a nation lacked, and yet he still went against his own conscience and threw his spear. Trull is a tower of strength among a people who had none.
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agreed
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Posted 23 January 2006 - 12:15 PM
Nicely put Rahl
When I first read HoC, I didn't appreciate Trull as a character much, he seemed to me to be some kind of a sad weakling.
After having read MT and then reread HoC Trull has become one of my favourite characters, for many of the cited reasons. I am sure looking forward to more of him in the upcoming books... and give him a spear this time damnit!
When I first read HoC, I didn't appreciate Trull as a character much, he seemed to me to be some kind of a sad weakling.
After having read MT and then reread HoC Trull has become one of my favourite characters, for many of the cited reasons. I am sure looking forward to more of him in the upcoming books... and give him a spear this time damnit!
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Posted 24 January 2006 - 06:07 AM
Trull is definitely one of the most well-developed characters in the series so far...and that is saying something considering ALL the characters are well-developed. I really am beginning to wonder if he is going to be the one to kill Rhulad the final time
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