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Ganoes knows shes in the mines, just not that shes dead.
I'm not viewing it through Ganoes's eyes, rather my own. If my sister went through such thing how would I feel?
Felisin Paran
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Posted 03 December 2005 - 11:26 PM
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Posted 04 December 2005 - 12:21 AM
Its only natural to not like a character like felisin.
Someone who treats people that are only trying to help like dirt, does seem like a good reason not to like someone! I think everyone just doesnt like her for what she turns into, they still sympathise with what she went through but you just can't like some one like that!
Saying that, the character is really well written and the empathy you express for her at the end is really strong, so in that way you can like the character for the emotional journey she put the reader through.
So what im trying to say is that when people read it they put themselves in heboric or baudin's shoes and see a b**ch but at the same time they do actually like the character for the emotional journey they get put through when reading!
Someone who treats people that are only trying to help like dirt, does seem like a good reason not to like someone! I think everyone just doesnt like her for what she turns into, they still sympathise with what she went through but you just can't like some one like that!
Saying that, the character is really well written and the empathy you express for her at the end is really strong, so in that way you can like the character for the emotional journey she put the reader through.
So what im trying to say is that when people read it they put themselves in heboric or baudin's shoes and see a b**ch but at the same time they do actually like the character for the emotional journey they get put through when reading!
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Posted 04 December 2005 - 05:05 PM
dktorode has a good point... I might sympathise with her in the situation - who would want to be in a situation similar to her? Doesn't mean I actually like her does it? I think she is an evil heffa...I just don't think it is a nice position for someone to be in. If she had been like that beforehand, I wouldn't care less about her situation...
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Posted 05 December 2005 - 07:27 PM
What about looking at it from Felisin's point of view? Everyone keeps judging her from either Heboric or Baudin's perspective. What about walking a mile in her shoes?
Baudin is there to do a job, his motivation is solely a professional one. He isn't really there to understand or comfort her so his point of view is superficial only.
Heboric habours no ill will towards her, he see's through the rough exterior she put up to protect herself.
All that bitchiness is her way of protecting herself, and when looking at it from her point of view it really makes sense and you can't blame her or hate her.
Baudin is there to do a job, his motivation is solely a professional one. He isn't really there to understand or comfort her so his point of view is superficial only.
Heboric habours no ill will towards her, he see's through the rough exterior she put up to protect herself.
All that bitchiness is her way of protecting herself, and when looking at it from her point of view it really makes sense and you can't blame her or hate her.
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Posted 10 December 2005 - 12:29 PM
i agree that Felisin would have been better off sticking with heboric and Baudin but neither of them confided in her about their escape plans.
As far as felisin new she was in the mines for life, without any hope of escape and so had to try and survive there.
So in my opinion baudin and heboric must take as much responsibility for how she turned out as felisin her self.
Also, heboric did always dissaprove of her prostituting herself, even though she partly did it to help him and i am not surprised this attitude made her angry.
but the person who should be blamed the most is Tavore, in my oppinion I wonder what Heboric would do if he met her?
I get the impression he may understand why she did it but there is a difference between understanding and condoneing a persons actions.
As far as felisin new she was in the mines for life, without any hope of escape and so had to try and survive there.
So in my opinion baudin and heboric must take as much responsibility for how she turned out as felisin her self.
Also, heboric did always dissaprove of her prostituting herself, even though she partly did it to help him and i am not surprised this attitude made her angry.
but the person who should be blamed the most is Tavore, in my oppinion I wonder what Heboric would do if he met her?
I get the impression he may understand why she did it but there is a difference between understanding and condoneing a persons actions.
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Posted 11 December 2005 - 02:01 AM
i have to sympathize with her, getting killed by her own sister, and Tavor never finds out that she killed her sister, i see that as a fault in Tavore's personality that she shes that somethings wrong, and that her opponent cant fight, yet w/o removing Sha'iks helm or wandering why Sha'ik was acting so weak she just kills her, i dont like Tavore much
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Posted 15 December 2005 - 05:03 PM
I think Heboric's actions are perhaps the best lens to view this from.
The two are thrust together, and he can't help view her as a relative innocent. They're dumped in the mines, and events there invoke a truly tangled set of emotions. Obviously, he's drawn to her in terms of feeling a very basic protectiveness. His own physical situation prevents him from doing so in any concrete way. Ironically, Felisin is the one helping Heboric to survive, which alone would probably create a sense of shame in him...but how she helps him is unthinkable. Felisin, selling her body and soul inspires disgust and disappointment that he cannot hide...but at the same time, he accepts her help, twisting a knife of shame and self-loathing home.
I think perhaps we, like Heboric, recognize that Felisin has very good reasons to feel the despair and bitterness she does and we sympathize, but that doesn't mean we like it or accept it. There's a sense of helplessness, seeing someone spiral out of control...it wouldn't be easy for anyone to witness that, while at the same time feeling indebted to it. Shame, anger, embarrasment, bitterness.
A very well-developed character, the story takes her through hell...we understand, we sympathize...but we cannot truly like someone who hates herself. In finding her redemption, we see her don a suit of brittle armor, but in the end...she's the same child she started off as, with simple needs and desires, feeling betrayed.
The two are thrust together, and he can't help view her as a relative innocent. They're dumped in the mines, and events there invoke a truly tangled set of emotions. Obviously, he's drawn to her in terms of feeling a very basic protectiveness. His own physical situation prevents him from doing so in any concrete way. Ironically, Felisin is the one helping Heboric to survive, which alone would probably create a sense of shame in him...but how she helps him is unthinkable. Felisin, selling her body and soul inspires disgust and disappointment that he cannot hide...but at the same time, he accepts her help, twisting a knife of shame and self-loathing home.
I think perhaps we, like Heboric, recognize that Felisin has very good reasons to feel the despair and bitterness she does and we sympathize, but that doesn't mean we like it or accept it. There's a sense of helplessness, seeing someone spiral out of control...it wouldn't be easy for anyone to witness that, while at the same time feeling indebted to it. Shame, anger, embarrasment, bitterness.
A very well-developed character, the story takes her through hell...we understand, we sympathize...but we cannot truly like someone who hates herself. In finding her redemption, we see her don a suit of brittle armor, but in the end...she's the same child she started off as, with simple needs and desires, feeling betrayed.
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Posted 15 December 2005 - 09:36 PM
I've no opinion of her, I dont really like her, she didnt get any sympathy from me. I think that if anyone deserves my pity/emotions it would have to be Felisin younger. Now she went through an ordeal.
