[Dolmen 2.0]

I don't know why but I always get pulled back to that thing about the crucified ottataral dragon.

I've tried to think of the dragon family and how many we know. Tiam is the mother who dies and rises whilst that bonecaster undead dragon was like the first soletaken or the mother or something. scabandari fathers an entire nation as does osserc.

The thing is should this ottataral dragon, a balance to magic prove to be a soletaken does that give us the founding father of magic or even the elder Gods? I guess I'm looking for informed guessing or extra info (PATCH:D ) that can get this thing out of my head.

PS: I know this should be under DHG but its relevant to the whole title and goes for those who know more than I do with the new books out n stuff.

[vaiski]

Dont believe it to be soletaken, but a dragon whose aspect is otataral.

[Tiste Simeon]

Maybe the original dragon - was Tiam Otataral aspected? I wonder if the otataral dragon is related to the jade giants...

[Iron Bars]

Dragons are magic aspected so the otatatal dragon can't be Tiam. I'm guessing it's the 'terrible child' they made to take on Scabandari.

[Tiste Simeon]

Where is the Otataral Dragon now? Is it buried in Otataral Isle?

[Blend]

It's, uh, nailed to a cross isn't it?

[Tiste Simeon]

Oh right... I still don't get the connection between that and the Jade Giants, which are obviously the cause of Otataral...

[Coldnight]

I was just making my own otataral researches and found an interesting quotation for you:
"...Yes, my mother has told me - on the Otataral Isle, in the desert - that statue. Heboric, an entire island of otataral was created to contain that statue, to hold it prisoner. But you have given it a means to escape..."

There's nowhere written that otataral was created olny once and in the one place. Teblors have their own source. I mean that otataral dragon doesn't have to be connected to Otataral Island.

[Set'alahd Crool]

We don't know if the otataral was created to contain the statue. That's one person's opinion. Treach reckoned the ritual-gone-awry melted the isle and created the otataral. That's another opinion, and one to which I would give more credence since Treach was there while Felesin was not. If he remembers the creation of the magic-deadening(I think that's what he called it) material then he remembers the isle BEFORE said creation. That's doesn't mean he's right either, just more likely to be so.

[Anaster]

Loric muses that otataral is created when huge amounts of magic are used. So much that not even a god might be able to wield it. So otataral may only be created through combined efforts of mages.

The thought that ocurred to me is that that dragon could be the crippled god as he is also anti magic and his "chaining" would mean him being pinned to that cross.

[Set'alahd Crool]

Anaster said:

The thought that ocurred to me is that that dragon could be the crippled god as he is also anti magic and his "chaining" would mean him being pinned to that cross.

I doubt it. We've seen the CG, and he ain't no dragon. And even if he is a soleyaken eleint he's chained to Burn, not a wooden cross.
And he's not anti-magic, just different magic.Otataral belongs in the malazan world as much as sand and water, but the CG does not belong there.

[Abyss]

Any theories on whether an aspect can be changed?
Maybe the otataral dragon wasn't always so aspected.

- Abyss, in other words, is asbackwards.

[Anaster]

Set said:

I doubt it. We've seen the CG, and he ain't no dragon. And even if he is a soleyaken eleint he's chained to Burn, not a wooden cross.
And he's not anti-magic, just different magic.Otataral belongs in the malazan world as much as sand and water, but the CG does not belong there.

Ok...so much for my theory then:rolleyes:

But as to the magic thing: isn't CG trying to annihilate all magic. Are the great ravens not immune to magic because they feasted on CG's flesh?

[Tiste Simeon]

Abyss said:

Any theories on whether an aspect can be changed?
Maybe the otataral dragon wasn't always so aspected.

Hmmm interesting theory...I'm sure it is possible, but why would one want to change aspect... unless someone changed it for them?

[Iron Bars]

Aspects of warrens can be changed. The Imass did so with their ritual. Tellan became dust aspected and it used to be a fire aspected realm.

[Morgoth]

The ravens didn't feast on the CG's flesh, they were born of it.

Pearl and his red sword companion didn't go through the gate of which the OD was crucified in front of, they used the gate originaly used by the ones who crucified the OD. A fairly big difference since the OD seems to be placed where it is to keep anyone from using the gate behind it.

Heh, sorry about that, but I just got this urge to pretend I know things ..

As to the OD. The way I see it, SE's world always have means of balance. It would only be natural for the Otataral dragon to be born as a counterweight to all the other dragons..

Considering what happens when heated otataral is hit by magic, I can only imagine what happens if someone where to launch magic at it while it's cross was burning

[Dolmen 2.0]

I know pearl said something bout that. something like "...It answers them all..." thats including tiam so I think that puts it in pole position in the dragon rankings.

I see now that the OD might have been, like the earth, brought about by an extreme excess of power acting on it or maybe being unleashed by it.

CG is totally foreign, his fall caused that rip in the universe thingy and as a result all them green giants have been chucked towards it to "fix" the problem. they have the magic necessary to make ottataral.

Maybe the OD gaurds the warren of the dragons starvald thing-a-majig.

PS: I know peanuts but peanuts tells me dem ravens were worms that became ravens cause they "feasted on the CG's flesh"

[Morgoth]

Yeah that's true.. The maggots feasted on the CG's flesh and the Ravens were born from them.. So I spose neither my statement nor those presented earlier were completly true.