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Twilight Imperium VII: Revelations - Chatty Thread

#2841 Imperial Historian

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 01:17 PM

I retreat unless someone has a sabotage in hand.

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#2842 Khellendros

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 01:25 PM

Wowsers.

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#2843 Khellendros

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 01:26 PM

Does that mean even if you destroy all his ships in the first turn, you have to retreat?

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 01:40 PM

Khellendros, on 14 April 2021 - 01:26 PM, said:

Does that mean even if you destroy all his ships in the first turn, you have to retreat?

No, it would follow same rules as if you declared the retreat normally so you'd win the combat and not retreat in that case.

worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.

#2845 Blend

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 01:49 PM

D, on 14 April 2021 - 01:40 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 14 April 2021 - 01:26 PM, said:

Does that mean even if you destroy all his ships in the first turn, you have to retreat?

No, it would follow same rules as if you declared the retreat normally so you'd win the combat and not retreat in that case.

~~Would IH be required to retreat with all his ships? Could he announce a retreat, then just retreat with a Destroyer or something and leave the rest of his ships there?~~

NVM - I see that a retreater must retreat ALL of their ships per the Rules Reference.

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#2846 Tattersail_

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 01:53 PM

Surely that is Sabotage worthy as IH is not guaranteed to win the battle.

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#2847 D'rek

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 01:54 PM

Tattersail_, on 14 April 2021 - 01:53 PM, said:

Surely that is Sabotage worthy as IH is not guaranteed to win the battle.

Well he is free to try and negotiate for one if he wants to but that's his decision (and if there are any sabotages out there).

worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.

#2848 Imperial Historian

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:00 PM

D, on 14 April 2021 - 01:40 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 14 April 2021 - 01:26 PM, said:

Does that mean even if you destroy all his ships in the first turn, you have to retreat?

No, it would follow same rules as if you declared the retreat normally so you'd win the combat and not retreat in that case.

Oh that's not as bar, I have a reasonable chance of killing all his ships

#2849 Khellendros

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:02 PM

Tattersail_, on 14 April 2021 - 01:53 PM, said:

Surely that is Sabotage worthy as IH is not guaranteed to win the battle.

I could pretty easily see him destroying all of Twelve's ships in one go. He just needs five hits from about three times as many attempts, barring further shenanigans.

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#2850 Morgoth

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:25 PM

So twelve’s AC will prevent IH from fighting for twelve’s homeworld?

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#2851 Morgoth

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:27 PM

If so I believe I will sabotage, on the promis from IH that he will not make any hostile actions towards me for the rest of the round.

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#2852 Khellendros

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:28 PM

Morgoth, on 14 April 2021 - 02:25 PM, said:

So twelve’s AC will prevent IH from fighting for twelve’s homeworld?

No it won't - but IH has to destroy all of Twelve's ships in the first turn. The fact that IH has a War Sun, 8 Fighters, a Dread, two Argent Destroyers, and a Carrier, to Twelve's four ships, makes this a very real possibility.

In sum, don't sabotage it.

Edit: The Argent Destroyers can damage bigger ships with their AFB too remember. Twelve only has one fighter. When that's down, all other shots can damage Twelve's single Dread

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#2853 Imperial Historian

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:34 PM

Morgoth, on 14 April 2021 - 02:27 PM, said:

If so I believe I will sabotage, on the promis from IH that he will not make any hostile actions towards me for the rest of the round.

I agree

#2854 twelve

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:39 PM

Imperial Historian, on 14 April 2021 - 02:00 PM, said:

D, on 14 April 2021 - 01:40 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 14 April 2021 - 01:26 PM, said:

Does that mean even if you destroy all his ships in the first turn, you have to retreat?

No, it would follow same rules as if you declared the retreat normally so you'd win the combat and not retreat in that case.

Oh that's not as bar, I have a reasonable chance of killing all his ships

Yeah I knew it was a long shot but it might work.

I don't know what I'm doing but it sounds good.

#2855 D'rek

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:47 PM

Rigel resolution done. Moving on to Winnu homeworld.

worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.

#2856 D'rek

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 03:31 PM

Aaaand Winnu resolution done. Back to Morgoth's turn!

worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.

#2857 Khellendros

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 03:46 PM

What a see saw! Annihilation in space, brave defence on the ground. But shouldn't IH's Dread have bombarded as well? I thought War Suns got rid of Planetary Shield altogether, or is it just for War Suns?

Also doesn't IH's dumb commander work for Bombardment as well?

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 14 April 2021 - 03:48 PM

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