[twelve]

Blend, on 18 February 2021 - 03:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 18 February 2021 - 02:44 PM, said:

Blend, on 18 February 2021 - 02:32 PM, said:

Ugh, that's a gross PO.

Guess it makes Tatts and IH the biggest threats (moreso Tatts given he's at 7VP)

I think Twelve and IH can both reach it this round even without the Construction card. Tatts has his racial PDS abilities so maybe doesn't even need Construction to get it this round. But none of them can reach it this next round - I think - if the vote goes against on the second agenda (unless they also have some sort of 'place a PDS' action card). Well, Tatts probably could if he has Construction and used his awaken stuff.

Twelve currently has 7 structures on the board. IH has 6. Tatts has 5 and 2 sleeper tokens that can be flipped to PDS. Morgoth has 3, I have 1, you have 4.

Twelve is at 5VP, IH at 5, Tatts at 7.

Tatts only needs to score the new PO and a SO to win, so I think ensuring Tatts can't score the new PO is number one on our to do list in the upcoming round.

I actually have 8 and IH has 7 structures so I'm totally fine with blowing a structure up and is probably the right play to help stop Tatts getting that objective. I'm also inclined to let Khell have the secret elect player objective. IH and Khell are in the best position to do something to stop Tatts. IH wont because of the support issue even though I did the move that killed my chances of winning last round will IH do the same this round? I doubt it so we need Khell as strong as possible to attack Tatts.

This is where my good rolls last round was actually a bad thing as I took out too much of Khells fleet. Also I think IHs Warsun is positioning to attack Morgoth to steal the relic VP fyi.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 18 February 2021 - 03:54 PM, said:

Twelve has 8 structures and could easily win this coming round. He just needs Imperial, so Morgoth or Blend will have to take that, and then they'll also be in a good position to score in the round, then status.

Ah no I cant win. I don't have a secret objective. 4 points is the max I can score.

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 18 February 2021 - 03:19 PM, said:

Blend, on 18 February 2021 - 03:18 PM, said:

So if Tatts and IH both vote FOR on the PDS agenda, that means we have to muster 25 votes plus X amount based on IH's shenanigans (I think it's 7 additional votes?) to get an AGAINST outcome. It'll be interesting to see where IH puts his votes.

Twelve would likely vote FOR as well, unless he accepts my offer.

I dont understand your offer what are you wanting and why?

[Khellendros]

Well if you just want to put your votes behind electing me I am happy with that, Twelve, and will use that to try and do something about Tatts

[Khellendros]

IH, are you still offering your vote deal and would you be happy for me to accept it?

[Imperial Historian]

The last round of posts has utterly confused me.

I'm celebrating my birthday today with family but I will have a look at the board properly later once I have my action card and make a decision on my votes.

What is everyones possible structure count this round? Twelve is almost impossible to stop reaching 7 right with his mech shenanigans?

Khell I'd be willing to swing support behind you for an agenda if I knew what it was and believed it was better for the board.

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 18 February 2021 - 04:26 PM, said:

The last round of posts has utterly confused me.

I'm celebrating my birthday today with family but I will have a look at the board properly later once I have my action card and make a decision on my votes.

What is everyones possible structure count this round? Twelve is almost impossible to stop reaching 7 right with his mech shenanigans?

Khell I'd be willing to swing support behind you for an agenda if I knew what it was and believed it was better for the board.

Happy Birthday IH. I hope you have a great one!

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 18 February 2021 - 04:26 PM, said:

The last round of posts has utterly confused me.

I'm celebrating my birthday today with family but I will have a look at the board properly later once I have my action card and make a decision on my votes.

What is everyones possible structure count this round? Twelve is almost impossible to stop reaching 7 right with his mech shenanigans?

Khell I'd be willing to swing support behind you for an agenda if I knew what it was and believed it was better for the board.

Happy Birthday IH!!


But there's no fun in revealing!

Boo. Why are you all such spoilsports? Don't you want mystery?


Fine, this is your birthday present IH. It's Minister of War. It's Warfare without having the strategy card. I could move, build, move again. Rather than just moving, building, and being stuck where I was. And no, I will not be taking the Warfare strategy card if I don't get this agenda.

[Tattersail_]

Drunk IH might not want to submit his votes. Psst, vote FOR on the PDS agenda

[twelve]

I must say that I'm liking the diversity of the new public objectives. Ignoring construction and fleet supply is no longer something you can do as a standard strategy and I feel tech is less important for scoring purposes. And some of the harder to score objectives seem possible now that tech specialties can be added to planets via the new techs. Overall I have to say I approve of the changes for the most part even though it adds a lot of complexity.

And the Winnu feel playable now. Not good mind you but not horrible either.

[Morgoth]

Im voting all to destroy a pds

[D'rek]

twelve, on 18 February 2021 - 09:33 PM, said:

I must say that I'm liking the diversity of the new public objectives. Ignoring construction and fleet supply is no longer something you can do as a standard strategy and I feel tech is less important for scoring purposes. And some of the harder to score objectives seem possible now that tech specialties can be added to planets via the new techs. Overall I have to say I approve of the changes for the most part even though it adds a lot of complexity.

And the Winnu feel playable now. Not good mind you but not horrible either.

Me too, though on the flip side it also feels in some ways like more of a crapshoot. There's too many possible types of POs that might arise now that you can't really "cover your bases" and try to prepare for all of them. Even if you have an amazing early game and are pretty much prepared to go after a dozen different stage 2 POs when the first one is drawn, that's still only half so you could easily just get bad draws that you aren't ready for.

I wonder if the community will start delving into variations/house rules of how the POs are handled to make them a bit less blindly random - 3rd edition had a few alternative rule sets like that (ex: all POs are revealed at start; or there are more POs but after 3 people fulfill one it is discarded).

[Khellendros]

Blend, on 18 February 2021 - 03:12 PM, said:

Blend: 14 votes
Khell: 5 votes
IH: 11 votes (plus shenanigans)
Twelve: 17 votes
Morgoth: 14 votes
Tatts: 14 votes

IH has 16 votes on FOR the second agenda, if Tatts puts all his votes there that’s 30 votes, plus the 3 I’m putting on in exchange for IH voting for me, that’s 33 votes.

Morgoth has said he will be against, so that’s 14, and another 20 needed. Blend and Twelve have 31 votes between them, so that would be enough.

However, Tatts has suggested he might vote himself Minister of War, which we should not allow to happen. Therefore, I need 15 votes, of which I have 9 already (IH and myself). I suggest that Twelve puts at least 6 votes on me for the first agenda and the rest on AGAINST for the second agenda. Or a bit more than that on me if you want to make sure against any shenanigans, as we should have quite a bit of wiggle room on the second agenda.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 19 February 2021 - 11:02 AM

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 19 February 2021 - 11:00 AM, said:

Blend, on 18 February 2021 - 03:12 PM, said:

Blend: 14 votes
Khell: 5 votes
IH: 11 votes (plus shenanigans)
Twelve: 17 votes
Morgoth: 14 votes
Tatts: 14 votes

IH has 16 votes on FOR the second agenda, if Tatts puts all his votes there that's 30 votes, plus the 3 I'm putting on in exchange for IH voting for me, that's 33 votes.

Morgoth has said he will be against, so that's 14, and another 20 needed. Blend and Twelve have 31 votes between them, so that would be enough.

However, Tatts has suggested he might vote himself Minister of War, which we should not allow to happen. Therefore, I need 15 votes, of which I have 9 already (IH and myself). I suggest that Twelve puts at least 6 votes on me for the first agenda and the rest on AGAINST for the second agenda. A bit more if you want to make sure against any shenanigans, as we should have quite a bit of wiggle room on the second agenda.

I'll be voting additional votes for Minister of War you bet.So you're going to need more than what you think.

[Tattersail_]

Basically you having Minster of War is worse than me losing a PDS.

[Tattersail_]

Ideally I get Minster of War and do not lose a PDS

That would be the desired outcome.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 19 February 2021 - 11:02 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 19 February 2021 - 11:00 AM, said:

Blend, on 18 February 2021 - 03:12 PM, said:

Blend: 14 votes
Khell: 5 votes
IH: 11 votes (plus shenanigans)
Twelve: 17 votes
Morgoth: 14 votes
Tatts: 14 votes

IH has 16 votes on FOR the second agenda, if Tatts puts all his votes there that's 30 votes, plus the 3 I'm putting on in exchange for IH voting for me, that's 33 votes.

Morgoth has said he will be against, so that's 14, and another 20 needed. Blend and Twelve have 31 votes between them, so that would be enough.

However, Tatts has suggested he might vote himself Minister of War, which we should not allow to happen. Therefore, I need 15 votes, of which I have 9 already (IH and myself). I suggest that Twelve puts at least 6 votes on me for the first agenda and the rest on AGAINST for the second agenda. A bit more if you want to make sure against any shenanigans, as we should have quite a bit of wiggle room on the second agenda.

I'll be voting additional votes for Minister of War you bet.So you're going to need more than what you think.

That would be a rather strange thing to confess. Rather than putting all our eggs in one basket like Tatts is intimating we should do, I suggest we cover both bases as much as possible. But they’re your votes guys, so...use them wisely! Whichever way wisely is.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 19 February 2021 - 11:05 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 February 2021 - 11:02 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 19 February 2021 - 11:00 AM, said:

Blend, on 18 February 2021 - 03:12 PM, said:

Blend: 14 votes
Khell: 5 votes
IH: 11 votes (plus shenanigans)
Twelve: 17 votes
Morgoth: 14 votes
Tatts: 14 votes

IH has 16 votes on FOR the second agenda, if Tatts puts all his votes there that's 30 votes, plus the 3 I'm putting on in exchange for IH voting for me, that's 33 votes.

Morgoth has said he will be against, so that's 14, and another 20 needed. Blend and Twelve have 31 votes between them, so that would be enough.

However, Tatts has suggested he might vote himself Minister of War, which we should not allow to happen. Therefore, I need 15 votes, of which I have 9 already (IH and myself). I suggest that Twelve puts at least 6 votes on me for the first agenda and the rest on AGAINST for the second agenda. A bit more if you want to make sure against any shenanigans, as we should have quite a bit of wiggle room on the second agenda.

I'll be voting additional votes for Minister of War you bet.So you're going to need more than what you think.

That would be a rather strange thing to confess. Rather than putting all our eggs in one basket like Tatts is intimating we should do, I suggest we cover both bases as much as possible. But they're your votes guys, so...use them wisely! Whichever way wisely is.

I just want to confuse matters a little.

[Tattersail_]

Has everyone voted?

[Blend]

My votes are in.