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Ardata and T'riss (spoilers for even fall of light)

#1 User is offline   Keysi 

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Posted 07 May 2020 - 10:02 PM

Is anyone able to fully explain what exactly is going on with Ardata and T'riss? I seem to recall they were "sisters" but that could just be the sorta honourific that all Azathani give each other. Reading both character's wiki pages, T'riss seems to have taken over the position of Enchantress and Queen of Dreams. Does anyone remember/know how this happened?

I'd also like to know exactly how powerful Ardata is if she was "the greatestpower of her age. Eclipsed now in the age of warrens and their mastery". Why can't ardata just use some warren magic too?

One last thing, did we ever find out if T'riss regained her memories? After leaving the Vitr she seems to be completely amnesiac, and obviously lives for another 300 000 odd years so will have accrued all the memories of whatever she gets up to, but does she get her pre Vitr, Azathanai life memories back?

I'm always quite confused when one god "replaces" another, seems to be a difficult concept for me to get my head around for some reason.
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Posted 08 May 2020 - 02:16 AM

T'riss and Ardata were lovers.
Ardata simply cannot let go. This is tied in with her aspect (of weaving)
She does not have to use any warren magic. She has her own powers.
Krul uses the Elient to prevent his warrens from being used by other Azathanai.
Anyway she does not need to use warrens.

Ardata has taken multiple lovers over time.

She also seems to be extremely good at healing, demonstrating this in the case of Mogora healing Mappo.

If you have read Kellanved's reach there is another interesting titbit
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Posted 08 May 2020 - 02:19 AM

 nacht, on 08 May 2020 - 02:16 AM, said:

T'riss and Ardata were lovers.
Ardata simply cannot let go. This is tied in with her aspect (of weaving)
She does not have to use any warren magic. She has her own powers.
Krul uses the Elient to prevent his warrens from being used by other Azathanai.
Anyway she does not need to use warrens.

Ardata has taken multiple lovers over time.

She also seems to be extremely good at healing, demonstrating this in the case of Mogora healing Mappo.

If you have read Kellanved's reach there is another interesting titbit
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To clarify Ardata likes Weaving spider style ensnaring "webs". Ardata is the one who healed the rent in FOL.


where as Jhess seems like weaving tapestries :-)


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Posted 08 May 2020 - 02:26 AM

After the vitr transformation, T'riss basically gave up her previous life and was reborn. There is no mention that her memories came back.
T'riss pretty much seems to have shared her aspect with the Liosan, similar to how Draconus shared his power with the Tiste Andii.

If Draconus was suzerain of the night, T'riss was the suzerain of light, which she seems to have given up on (her suzerainity that is)
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Posted 09 May 2020 - 02:20 AM

 nacht, on 08 May 2020 - 02:16 AM, said:

T'riss and Ardata were lovers.
Ardata simply cannot let go. This is tied in with her aspect (of weaving)
She does not have to use any warren magic. She has her own powers.
Krul uses the Elient to prevent his warrens from being used by other Azathanai.
Anyway she does not need to use warrens.

Ardata has taken multiple lovers over time.

She also seems to be extremely good at healing, demonstrating this in the case of Mogora healing Mappo.

If you have read Kellanved's reach there is another interesting titbit
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I get that she doen't have to use warren magic since she has her own, but if she's pissed off about n o longer being the most powerful due to warrens, wouldn't learning how to use them, if she could, be to her interests?
From this can we surmise that she cannot use them rather than choses not to use them?

Were they definetly lovers?

I remember that they were closely connected but must have forgot about that part. Which would usually be the last thing I forget....
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