[Aranatha]

Also, I haven't had a hard on for you for a while, Tennes, but I might start again if you keep rubbing up against me like that. Hah.

Okay, laters.

[Aranatha]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 02:51 PM, said:

blah blah blah blah

Very eloquent. How could I ever think I could elevate myself above such radiance. Hah.

No really, laters.

[Tennes]

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 02:45 PM, said:

[SNIP]

Hey speaking of, Tennes what exactly did I do that made you so sure that I'm scum? Apparently it's illegal, according to Shel, to accuse anyone without quoting incessantly. You better quote one of my posts, quick before they start nagging you about it.

[SNIP]

What are you even talking about? I literally voted for someone else an hour ago and you're asking me why I'm sure you're scum?

I am suspicious of you and I did quote and underline the exact suspicious fragments, so again... what?? Are you even reading the thread?

Anyway, other work beckons. I will probably take a gander at Mafia every now and then but don't expect a lot from me until Monday.

[Aranatha]

Tennes, on 16 May 2020 - 02:59 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 02:45 PM, said:

[SNIP]Hey speaking of, Tennes what exactly did I do that made you so sure that I'm scum? Apparently it's illegal, according to Shel, to accuse anyone without quoting incessantly. You better quote one of my posts, quick before they start nagging you about it. [SNIP]

What are you even talking about? I literally voted for someone else an hour ago and you're asking me why I'm sure you're scum?I am suspicious of you and I did quote and underline the exact suspicious fragments, so again... what?? Are you even reading the thread?Anyway, other work beckons. I will probably take a gander at Mafia every now and then but don't expect a lot from me until Monday.

First off, you missed a couple of posts of mine, as I clearly stated it was a cross post right under it.
I was referring to this comment of yours:

Tennes, on 16 May 2020 - 01:51 PM, said:

I didn't think Aranatha was scum before but their actions from this Night made me reconsider.

But if I misinterpreted it, then fine. But you're sneaking in some accusations - maybe as a setup later to have a as a 'backup' in case your Ruse train fails? That shit can come off suspicious, and don't think I don't know what you're doing.

As for the quotes of me you underlined with red - I said above that you missed some stuff I said about all that already. Take it or leave it.


Not sure how much I'll be around during the weekend. Might pop in now and then, but it's more Monday for me.

[Okaros]

I find it amusing that Aranatha and Shel are both screaming EXPLAIN YOUR CASE!!! at each other. Other than that I find myself skimming over their posts, so the exchange has been pretty good at totally muddying the thread. I'm going to attempt a read of Thyr's posts and interactions today, as well as a couple of other people. I think it's pretty clear that Skintick was killed because scum suspected him of being a finder after voting for Thyrrlan.

[Gait]

Okaros, on 17 May 2020 - 10:13 AM, said:

I find it amusing that Aranatha and Shel are both screaming EXPLAIN YOUR CASE!!! at each other. Other than that I find myself skimming over their posts, so the exchange has been pretty good at totally muddying the thread. I'm going to attempt a read of Thyr's posts and interactions today, as well as a couple of other people. I think it's pretty clear that Skintick was killed because scum suspected him of being a finder after voting for Thyrrlan.

Yes, he voted Thyrllen first twice in a row.

I notice a few people that took serious issue with Skintick. Those were Aranatha, Tennes and Sheltatha. Later Aranatha seemed against the principal of the votes laid against Skintick and at some point defended Skinticks reasoning. This voting activity raises an alarm in my head:

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 09:20 AM, said:

Speaking of eager:

Skintick, on 12 May 2020 - 01:38 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 12 May 2020 - 01:33 AM, said:

Skintick, on 12 May 2020 - 12:43 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 11 May 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

Prazec looks like he's really getting it on with that rock. Sheltatha looks like he's hiding something naughty under his rock.

Shelly is a girl. You, sir/ma'am/warren-thing are an imposter!1

Vote Thyrllan

Did you just assume their gender? I'm shocked I tell ya, Shocked!

Malazan canon sez Sheltaha Lore is female.
When we are referring to avatars that correspond to book characters, I expect people on the book forum to use the appropriate pronouns, unless the player has been alted.

Kinda weird how after a completely benign joke Skintick feels the need to explain themselves all seriously. Let's throw it at the wall and see if it sticks.

Vote Skintick

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 06:20 PM, said:

[snip]

On top of that, Skintick is kinda chill and joking around with people but the moment Aranatha humorously questions their vote, they immediately respond with a serious explanation.

Skin is giving massive sympish vibes but then a symp case on Day 1 is always a massive reach. Thoughts?

Anyway,

remove vote.

Sheltatha Lore, on 13 May 2020 - 12:50 AM, said:

Skintick, on 13 May 2020 - 12:26 AM, said:

close my eyes to get away from the screen for a few minutes.

Next thing I see it's (late) evening.

Gonna go eat something, then re-read and see whose arguments I like the least.

remove vote


vote Skintick



Im thinking Tennes mentioned your name and your symp Arantha came out swinging to your defence via deflecting.


how you like them apples?

I'm not sure the second killer would be as vocal as these two have been but I don't trust much of their content.

It's not about where they seem to be pushing but rather where they aren't.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Gait, on 17 May 2020 - 12:59 PM, said:

Okaros, on 17 May 2020 - 10:13 AM, said:

I find it amusing that Aranatha and Shel are both screaming EXPLAIN YOUR CASE!!! at each other. Other than that I find myself skimming over their posts, so the exchange has been pretty good at totally muddying the thread. I'm going to attempt a read of Thyr's posts and interactions today, as well as a couple of other people. I think it's pretty clear that Skintick was killed because scum suspected him of being a finder after voting for Thyrrlan.

Yes, he voted Thyrllen first twice in a row.

I notice a few people that took serious issue with Skintick. Those were Aranatha, Tennes and Sheltatha. Later Aranatha seemed against the principal of the votes laid against Skintick and at some point defended Skinticks reasoning. This voting activity raises an alarm in my head:

Incorrect, I voted Thyrllan first day 1, Skintick followed suit.

Also you are excluding some massive contextual parts to my vote switch to Skintick later on day 1.
My vote had nothing to do with what Skintick himself had said or done at all... and everything to do with, what I perceived at the Time, Arantatha jumping down Tennes throat for voting Skintick.
It was over the top and bizarre to me.
I called Aranatha out on his being "so sure" about Tennes being scum, and deduced he might be attempting to derail Tennes vote for Skintick.

So I placed a vote on Skintick for (my perceived) sympage of Skintick by Aranatha.

Very soon after Skintick pointed out to me that Tennes had in fact removed his vote for himself before Amarahta had gone crazy, which I hadn't noticed.
This made my logical leap of Aranatha derailing the Skintick train illogical. I realised this was true, agreed with him and immediately removed my vote.

This was all day one pointing fingers at anything that moves stuff.

Gait, on 17 May 2020 - 12:59 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 09:20 AM, said:

Speaking of eager:

Skintick, on 12 May 2020 - 01:38 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 12 May 2020 - 01:33 AM, said:

Skintick, on 12 May 2020 - 12:43 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 11 May 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

Prazec looks like he's really getting it on with that rock. Sheltatha looks like he's hiding something naughty under his rock.

Shelly is a girl. You, sir/ma'am/warren-thing are an imposter!1

Vote Thyrllan

Did you just assume their gender? I'm shocked I tell ya, Shocked!

Malazan canon sez Sheltaha Lore is female.
When we are referring to avatars that correspond to book characters, I expect people on the book forum to use the appropriate pronouns, unless the player has been alted.

Kinda weird how after a completely benign joke Skintick feels the need to explain themselves all seriously. Let's throw it at the wall and see if it sticks.

Vote Skintick

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 06:20 PM, said:

[snip]

On top of that, Skintick is kinda chill and joking around with people but the moment Aranatha humorously questions their vote, they immediately respond with a serious explanation.

Skin is giving massive sympish vibes but then a symp case on Day 1 is always a massive reach. Thoughts?

Anyway,

remove vote.

Sheltatha Lore, on 13 May 2020 - 12:50 AM, said:

Skintick, on 13 May 2020 - 12:26 AM, said:

close my eyes to get away from the screen for a few minutes.

Next thing I see it's (late) evening.

Gonna go eat something, then re-read and see whose arguments I like the least.

remove vote


vote Skintick



Im thinking Tennes mentioned your name and your symp Arantha came out swinging to your defence via deflecting.

how you like them apples?

I'm not sure the second killer would be as vocal as these two have been but I don't trust much of their content.

It's not about where they seem to be pushing but rather where they aren't.

Im not sure looking at day one stuff is going to get too much info, on day two Skintick came out immediately and went straight for Thyrllan again.
This is where I expect to find the most interesting stuff, especially considering scum might be thinking (as Okaros has said) that Skintick might be a finder because of this consistency in voting.

I for one find it silly to be looking at who voted for Skintick so early on in the game. As he is inno and you cant expect every vote to always be on scum.

The more prudent argument would be the Aranatha successfully managed to derail the votes on Thyrllan by being load and noisy enough for people to forget the initial votes on Thyr.

thats my 2 cents anyway.


EDIT-fixed Space bar issue, some words where stuck together

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 17 May 2020 - 02:01 PM

[Sheltatha Lore]

Okaros, on 17 May 2020 - 10:13 AM, said:

I find it amusing that Aranatha and Shel are both screaming EXPLAIN YOUR CASE!!! at each other. Other than that I find myself skimming over their posts, so the exchange has been pretty good at totally muddying the thread.

Look at the very first llne of Aranathas post where he votes for me.
This is the type of stuff he has done all game.


If you can tell me what the actual fuck he is referring to...then I will humbly apologise to you and the entire thread for "muddying" your otherwise so'perfectly clear' thread.

[Gait]

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 May 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

[Snip]

Incorrect, I voted Thyrllan first day 1, Skintick followed suit.

Also you are excluding some massive contextual parts to my vote switch to Skintick later on day 1.
My vote had nothing to do with what Skintick himself had said or done at all... and everything to do with, what I perceived at the Time, Arantatha jumping down Tennes throat for voting Skintick.
It was over the top and bizarre to me.
I called Aranatha out on his being "so sure" about Tennes being scum, and deduced he might be attempting to derail Tennes vote for Skintick.

So I placed a vote on Skintick for (my perceived) sympage of Skintick by Aranatha.

Very soon after Skintick pointed out to me that Tennes had in fact removed his vote for himself before Amarahta had gone crazy, which I hadn't noticed.
This made my logical leap of Aranatha derailing the Skintick train illogical. I realised this was true, agreed with him and immediately removed my vote.

This was all day one pointing fingers at anything that moves stuff.

I stand Corrected you did have first Vote, You left to lay a vote on Kalse and doubled back on Thyr before moving on to Skintick.

The vote on Kalse came after a misread of the situation and as you explain here the vote on Skintick was a misread aswell.
Ultimately your three Votes day 1 were all leveled on misunderstandings?

[Sheltatha Lore]

Gait, on 17 May 2020 - 02:28 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 May 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

[Snip]

Incorrect, I voted Thyrllan first day 1, Skintick followed suit.

Also you are excluding some massive contextual parts to my vote switch to Skintick later on day 1.
My vote had nothing to do with what Skintick himself had said or done at all... and everything to do with, what I perceived at the Time, Arantatha jumping down Tennes throat for voting Skintick.
It was over the top and bizarre to me.
I called Aranatha out on his being "so sure" about Tennes being scum, and deduced he might be attempting to derail Tennes vote for Skintick.

So I placed a vote on Skintick for (my perceived) sympage of Skintick by Aranatha.

Very soon after Skintick pointed out to me that Tennes had in fact removed his vote for himself before Amarahta had gone crazy, which I hadn't noticed.
This made my logical leap of Aranatha derailing the Skintick train illogical. I realised this was true, agreed with him and immediately removed my vote.

This was all day one pointing fingers at anything that moves stuff.

I stand Corrected you did have first Vote, You left to lay a vote on Kalse and doubled back on Thyr before moving on to Skintick.

The vote on Kalse came after a misread of the situation and as you explain here the vote on Skintick was a misread aswell.
Ultimately your three Votes day 1 were all leveled on misunderstandings?

No, my vote on Thyr was because his opening post was very "don't look at me"
Vote for kalse was a misunderstanding of who symped signalled who.
Vote on Skintick was not a misunderstanding, I simply missed the fact that Tennes had actually removed his vote on Skintick before Aranatha went bonkers.
Once that was pointed out to me, my theory didn't make logical sense.

EDIT- grammar

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 17 May 2020 - 04:55 PM

[Gait]

Jalan, on 16 May 2020 - 11:31 AM, said:

Rikkter, on 13 May 2020 - 12:48 AM, said:

Aranatha is 0 to 60 on this case (blocks of text, tl/dr style). I think the theory of a dumb as shit symp is worth a peek, but right now, Okral caught my eye the most. I never like it when players break the 4th wall and discount their own suspicious behavior in advance in an attempt to forestall suspicion. It is a self awareness that provides an anchor to the claim that they were just being helpful, sorry to seem scummy, nothing to see here. A few other players did this "durr sorry I am scummy" today, but right now, Okral stood out in the context of everything becoming srs biz.

Vote Okral

The first Okral vote. Also would not vote Thyr. I will get a bit more comprehensive when I can this weekend. But for now.

Vote Rikkter

You know what? we need more information.

Theres not enough Votes. lots of players are getting away with off screen activity.

Jalan and Rikkter need to be on here. Ones leveling interest on the other. I'm gonna lean in with Jalan to see if Rikkter shows up to engage.

Vote Rikkter

[Kalse]

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 May 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

<snip>
Im not sure looking at day one stuff is going to get too much info, on day two Skintick came out immediately and went straight for Thyrllan again.
<snip>

lol, says the one lecturing me about doing a full re-read

[Kalse]

Joking aside, it's a quiet week-end, and we have time. There is something I'm not sure I get so I want to put it here for discussion.

When Thyrllan came to do his catch-up-posting, this was the vote situation:

Path-Shaper, on 14 May 2020 - 08:56 PM, said:

It is day 2. About 25 hours remaining.

19 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara.

1 vote Okaros; Sheltatha Lore
1 vote Prazec Goul; Tennes
3 votes Venesara; Kilava, Kalse, Okaros
2 votes Thyrllan; Skintick, Jalan


Players not voted; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Thyr, Venesara.

and this is how he ended it:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

OK, lots to digest. I've gotta get back to e-work but that's my catchup and contribution.

Tennes lost some of his scumminess when I finished the re-read. There were some questionable things I brought up, but I don't think Fanderay ever did his "re-read" so for now

Vote Fanderay

A lame-ass case and a vote for someone who had no vote until now. Now, we know he was not following his heart in voting on whom he thought was scum, so it was either:

1. He didn't realise how much the noose was tightening on him, even though he's been talked about since middle of day 1 and had already two votes on him on day 2
2. He know he may be f--ed and wanted to distance himself from Fanderay.

Both are quite, I don't know how to say, simplistic explanations? Still, with a lame case like this, why not just say something similar about Okaros, or add to Venesara saying he agrees?

What I am missing?

[Rikkter]

Full disclosure before I start the case below:
1) I have not fully read up on the past couple days worth of material, though I have kept track enough to know Thyr was scum and Skintick was RI.
2) I just signed on and noticed I have a vote train building me.
3) I am doing a day 1 case based on Thyr being scum. That is the primary focus of the case below. Let's begin.

The first thing I noticed was that SL is dancing with Thyr early on and acting completely like a symp and getting attention from Thyr with a joke vote (safe this early in day 1). SL does not leave her vote there long.

Sheltatha Lore, on 11 May 2020 - 11:04 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 11 May 2020 - 10:27 PM, said:

Hello! I have arrived! Not too early and not too late! I guess that makes me perfectly average which is what many of my teachers called me back in the day.

Vote ThyrllanFor being "perfectly average"...

Thyr does acknowledge the interaction, noting that SL has something "naughty" hiding under his rock, in stark contrast to what is said about Prazec, which is more of a benign dragon secks quip.

Thyrllan, on 11 May 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

Prazec looks like he's really getting it on with that rock. Sheltatha looks like he's hiding something naughty under his rock.

For vote count reference, Skin jumps on Thyr too (and notably is set up as a symp figure further into day 1). And it should be noted at this point that SL spends a lot of time talking about symps, as we will see.

Skintick, on 12 May 2020 - 12:43 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 11 May 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

Prazec looks like he's really getting it on with that rock. Sheltatha looks like he's hiding something naughty under his rock.

Shelly is a girl. You, sir/ma'am/warren-thing are an imposter! Vote Thyrllan

Here is SL jumping on Kalse for poor symp logic and emphasizing how to deal with symps, even throwing a vote on Kalse.

Sheltatha Lore, on 12 May 2020 - 08:15 AM, said:

Kalse, on 12 May 2020 - 05:47 AM, said:

Okral Lom, on 12 May 2020 - 03:54 AM, said:

Gait, on 12 May 2020 - 02:16 AM, said:

Sometimes being the bear minimum is enough. (sorry,not sorry)

No matter what happens, you've already won.

vote GaltThat joke is not good enough, revealing the obvious symp-signaling

remove voteVote KalseVoting the symp for suspected "symp-signaling" would be pointless. If he is symping you should be voting for the person he is symping... not the symp.Rookie mistake?...rusty?...or projecting?

But, SL fucks up his jab and has to remove that vote.

Sheltatha Lore, on 12 May 2020 - 08:24 AM, said:

Merrid, on 12 May 2020 - 08:18 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 12 May 2020 - 08:15 AM, said:

Kalse, on 12 May 2020 - 05:47 AM, said:

Okral Lom, on 12 May 2020 - 03:54 AM, said:

Gait, on 12 May 2020 - 02:16 AM, said:

Sometimes being the bear minimum is enough. (sorry,not sorry)

No matter what happens, you've already won.

vote GaltThat joke is not good enough, revealing the obvious symp-signaling

remove voteVote KalseVoting the symp for suspected "symp-signaling" would be pointless. If he is symping you should be voting for the person he is symping... not the symp.Rookie mistake?...rusty?...or projecting?

Erm, but they did vote for the person 'being signalled.'

oops, I read that interaction wrong.remove vote

This one quote befuddles me a little, as to why SL would return a vote to Thyr. Not sure what to do with this.

Sheltatha Lore, on 12 May 2020 - 08:29 AM, said:

Ill stick my vote back toVote Thyrllanhis opening post still seemed a bit "trying very hard to be normal" to me.

To be continued...

[Rikkter]

Continued...

Now here is my actual focus for this case. Introduction to SL (my suspected symp) was necessary to spot this guy. Tennes carries on the symp confusion SL has spread. Tennes strangely first votes for Skin with the line "let's see if this sticks" line and then goes in great detail much later with a remove vote? Seems a little cagey and weird behavior.

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 09:20 AM, said:

Speaking of eager:

Skintick, on 12 May 2020 - 01:38 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 12 May 2020 - 01:33 AM, said:

Skintick, on 12 May 2020 - 12:43 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 11 May 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

Prazec looks like he's really getting it on with that rock. Sheltatha looks like he's hiding something naughty under his rock.

Shelly is a girl. You, sir/ma'am/warren-thing are an imposter!


Vote Thyrllan

Did you just assume their gender? I'm shocked I tell ya, Shocked!

Malazan canon sez Sheltaha Lore is female.
When we are referring to avatars that correspond to book characters, I expect people on the book forum to use the appropriate pronouns, unless the player has been alted.

Kinda weird how after a completely benign joke Skintick feels the need to explain themselves all seriously. Let's throw it at the wall and see if it sticks.

Vote Skintick

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 06:20 PM, said:

Is middle of Day 1 to early for batshit signalling theories? Because I have one.Let's look at Skintick. In their interaction with Prazec, they say in all caps they are EXTREMELY trustworthy. Why the caps?

Skintick, on 11 May 2020 - 10:12 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 11 May 2020 - 09:48 PM, said:

Skintick, on 11 May 2020 - 09:41 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 11 May 2020 - 09:15 PM, said:

Jalan, on 11 May 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

Hanas, on 11 May 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

Tennes, on 11 May 2020 - 08:44 PM, said:

21 people, holy shit. I think that's the biggest game I've been in. We should have global lockdowns more often.

Can we at least have a few weeks where those of us with kids can offload them on other people again?

I must agree. Them not being able to do anything is probably the worst part of all of this

We should start them on mafia!

I thought you were supposed to instill into your children that lying is really, really bad first, and only teach them that it's okay under certain circumstances after they've internalized the former?

You mean that I can't trust you to tell the truth when you're playing mafia?

I am EXTREMELY trustworthy (my upbringings were painfully strict). Can't vouch for the other's though.

Then they name drop Prazec and Shelthata:

Skintick, on 11 May 2020 - 11:28 PM, said:

Shelly and Prazec both have rock-humping avatars. I got confused by those 2 back-to-back posts.

Then they respond to Okral and the mention of 3/4 makes me think of 4 killers mentioned in the intro.

Skintick, on 12 May 2020 - 12:42 AM, said:

Okral Lom, on 12 May 2020 - 12:02 AM, said:

I feel insecure about my avatar. No rocks. No epic sky or landscape. Just a generic brown bear in a generic forest.

You think you've got self-esteem issues? I'm a sexually frustrated salamander stuck 3/4 through jumping a tree branch. And in the game.

On top of that, Skintick is kinda chill and joking around with people but the moment Aranatha humorously questions their vote, they immediately respond with a serious explanation.Skin is giving massive sympish vibes but then a symp case on Day 1 is always a massive reach. Thoughts?Anyway,remove vote.

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 10:40 PM, said:

I'm not saying they're symping one of you. I'm saying they're signalling to the three of you, ergo symping all three*. And Skin's vote is on Thyr, so how is that lynching their killer?* I know, I know. Usually not a fan of signalling cases myself. This one kinda struck me though. I remember yesterday noticing the 'EXTREMELY trustworthy' bit. Today the '3/4' thing stood out to me but there's a lot of alts so I didn't actually clock that this was from the same person until I re-read the thread this evening. When I realized that I was like HUH maybe there's something there.

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 11:46 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 12 May 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

First you vote Skintick for absolutely no reason, then take the vote away for even less. Trying to seem like town so much, you might aswell have a giant 'scum' sign above your head. Just saying.

I mean, if you think I'm scum that's your business but that's an easily verifiable lie. Like, you can literally just go one page back to confirm this.I gave a reason why I voted for Skintick. They went from chill and funny to seriously explaining shit after a super obvious joke directed at them. It looked (and still looks) defensive.I also gave a reason why I removed the vote. After rereading the thread, they gave me symp vibes. Who votes for a symp lol.Any case based on signalling is obviously a reach and I'm not gonna pretend this is any different. But the combination of Skintick's posts struck me as suspicious so I'm bringing that to the thread. If you believe discussing theories is scummy then you do you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To be continued...

[Rikkter]

Continued...

It is around this time that SL suddenly grows an incredible hard on for Tennes (and for some reason does not vote for him). This attack on Tennes is notable throughout the remainder of day 1.

Sheltatha Lore, on 12 May 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 10:40 PM, said:

I'm not saying they're symping one of you. I'm saying they're signalling to the three of you, ergo symping all three*. And Skin's vote is on Thyr, so how is that lynching their killer?* I know, I know. Usually not a fan of signalling cases myself. This one kinda struck me though. I remember yesterday noticing the 'EXTREMELY trustworthy' bit. Today the '3/4' thing stood out to me but there's a lot of alts so I didn't actually clock that this was from the same person until I re-read the thread this evening. When I realized that I was like HUH maybe there's something there.

*makes a signalling case**admits to not liking signalling cases.*My thinking is this one way too brazenly silly to be scum.

Sheltatha Lore, on 12 May 2020 - 11:46 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 12 May 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

Honestly Tennes, if you're not scum, then my vibe scanner is so off, I might aswell go and live in a shoe box and never play mafia again. Although I'm not tiny enough for a shoe box. Hmm. As soon as anyone start making up ridiculous claims after barely one day, over analyzing word choices claiming symp, I get major scum vibes. Actually my radar is going off like crazy right now. Beep Beep BEEP.First you vote Skintick for absolutely no reason, then take the vote away for even less. Trying to seem like town so much, you might aswell have a giant 'scum' sign above your head. Just saying. I guess you could be poking for the sake of poking, and as such randomness can work sometimes, but I'm not really convinced that's your motive. I can SMELL you. Huh. ALSO can we PLEASE have some normal vote counting - the current vote counting is confusing as fuck. Also I don't want to have to keep counting how many votes are necessary - would Path-fucker please give an update with that. Pfff. Back to Tennes the scum scummery scum. Did you really hover over Skintick like a giant hovercrafting hovercraft sent to hover, and didn't think nobody would notice? Care to explain yourself hover-over-er?

hmmm...this is interesting.I don't think what Tennes has said/done really warrants this level of backlash. I can understand a mild amount of scrutiny (as I have myself indicated)... But you seem to really be going at him quite hard.So the question for me os...Are you a symp jumping to someone he has scrutinised's rescue by deflecting onto him?...or simply the village idiot jumping the gun with his "vibe scanner"?Either way...food for thought.

To be continued on last time...

[Rikkter]

Continued...

Here is more of SL discussing her own role.

Sheltatha Lore, on 13 May 2020 - 09:37 AM, said:

Ruse, on 13 May 2020 - 07:50 AM, said:

Can someone tell me why we are assuming there is a symp? I don't see anything in the first few posts about the killers' organization.

Size of the game would indicate a certainly that some form of sumo exists. And... assuming there is one is better than assuming there isn't.

Sheltatha Lore, on 13 May 2020 - 09:43 AM, said:

there is some very irritating autocorrects happening with me on this forum. hopefully people can decipher it e.g Sumo = Symp.

I put this vote count here to point out that of the 2 votes on Tennes, SL is not present. In fact, SL does not have a vote down at this point.

Path-Shaper, on 13 May 2020 - 10:51 AM, said:

It is day 1. About 10 hours remaining.21 people left alive.2 votes Tennes; Aranatha, Ruse4 votes Okral Lom; Rikkter, Skintick, Kalse, Gait1 vote Osseric; Hanas

Tennes was one of the people in the middle of the Okral train, thus one of the people that tipped the day one lynch train into forward drive, cinching Okral's end. I said earlier I would bet money scum was on the train. This proves to the be the case.

Tennes, on 13 May 2020 - 11:19 AM, said:

Okay, had a bit of time to catch up.I see there is heat on Okral and tbh I didn't read too much into the post that started it (via Rikkter's vote) but then Okral wrote this and it's just bizarre:

Okral Lom, on 13 May 2020 - 03:58 AM, said:

Rikkter, on 13 May 2020 - 12:48 AM, said:

Aranatha is 0 to 60 on this case (blocks of text, tl/dr style). I think the theory of a dumb as shit symp is worth a peek, but right now, Okral caught my eye the most. I never like it when players break the 4th wall and discount their own suspicious behavior in advance in an attempt to forestall suspicion. It is a self awareness that provides an anchor to the claim that they were just being helpful, sorry to seem scummy, nothing to see here. A few other players did this "durr sorry I am scummy" today, but right now, Okral stood out in the context of everything becoming srs biz.Vote Okral

Yeeeah, I can see it in retrospect. I think it was a result of nervousness to post anything tangible that early (which pretty much always backfires, as evidenced by the current state of things) and me trying to segue into the fact that it's probably the quiet people we should be looking at (although I think Venesara and Okaros might just be MIA?). Apparently I didn't actually need to rush a post though, since it pretty much immediately got crazy in here.I'm also not sure what to think of Aranatha. It's not the actual content that's odd so much as the phrasing/aggression. Trolling for kicks? Trying to poke poke poke? Or trying to act so aggressive no one would suspect him of actually being legitimately scum? Still not ready to vote on anyone. Most cases so far are pretty weak, but do make a little sense. I'll be pretty busy tomorrow, but I'll try to at least read up and vote before the day rolls over.

Why would you be nervous to post something tangible? Like... that's literally the point of Town's game. Put tangible info on thread so players can build cases. The only people who don't want that are Scum.Then there's some wishy-washy, non-committal stuff about Aranatha and then even wishier-washier shrugging off the entire discussion so far. Okral's game is basically 'I guess maybe I don't know not really kinda? btw I'm busy tomorrow'. So yeah, I'm on board with the case on them. Gonna put a vote there for now but there's a couple of other that are on my radar. In particular:* Prazec, for the super obtuse question about symping. Merrid and Barghast pointed it out earlier. It looks like a lame-ass deflection.* Ruse, for claiming claiming that the 'spat' between me and Aranatha is somewhow gonna overshadow D2 and it's the best call to lynch one of us. There's been other suspects and discussion on thread and I don't get how you overlook that unless you do it on purpose.* Sheltatha, because it seems like they've been winding up Aranatha. I agree with Shel that Aranatha is most likely just a bad townie but I feel like they've been exploiting that and egging Ara on to go on their tirades. Perhaps to obscure other discussion?So I'd be content with any of that three as well but for now:Vote Okral Nom.EDITformatting

Tennes shows a strong interest in the Merrid case (our healer), pestering Okral to cough up more details on this in particular. Much more notable after Merrid's CF.

Tennes, on 13 May 2020 - 04:54 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 13 May 2020 - 03:20 PM, said:

Seems to be a done deal, but at least I can rest in peace, knowing that I was 100% right to be nervous about posting much early (I like being right!). So far, everyone who has been under serious suspicion has primarily just been guilty of being active. Sometimes, a duck is just a duck. I did say I would vote though. So, for being soooo perfectly mild mannered and unobtrusive...Vote Merrid

You're not helping your case. Stop talking about how nervous you are and do something useful instead. You said you were nervous about posting tangible stuff too early. If you're Town, it is never too early for information. Yes, sticking your neck out might come back to haunt you. Tough luck. Everyone wants to survive but at the end of the day you don't win if you live to the end of the game, you win if your team wins.It looks like you're getting lynched today and for a good reason but if you're actually town, you still have 3 hours or so to post something useful. Build a case. Share your notes. Give the team something to work with on the following day if you actually flip town.You think Merrid is scum? Cool! Now tell us why, so we can follow that thread in the future, instead of posting this asinine shit about how right you were.

As a recap quote, note who is not on any lynch train at the end of day 1 (Thyr and SL) and who is in the middle of the successful train (Tennes). I almost suspect that SL is setting up the stage to be confused with her attacks on one scum and early voting on another scum so that if one scum is revealed, she has claim to being town with a good eye.

Path-Shaper, on 13 May 2020 - 09:18 PM, said:

It is day 1. 0 hours remaining.

21 people left alive; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Merrid, Okaros, Okral Lom, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara. 11 votes to lynch.

11 votes Okral Lom; Rikkter, Skintick, Kalse, Gait, Tennes, Fanderay, Aranatha, Ruse, Jalan, Prazec Goul, Merrid
1 vote Osseric; Hanas
1 vote Merrid; Okral Lom
1 vote Thyrllan; Barghast

Players not voted; Gamelon, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Thyr, Venesara.


The lockdown rules were there for a reason but when one person posted a status to their facebook about knowing who one of the killers, it went viral. This person shared it and that one. Soon a mob full of face masks, safety glasses and any garden equipment they could muster formed outside the residence of the unfortunate person.

Okral Lom is stabbed in the face with a hoe. One mobster shouted I hope you're fucking scared you cowardly shit.

Okral Lom is dead. They were Dunsparrow and town.

And that is what I have for now. I will start rereading Day 2 and the current threads of Day 3 and see what else is there.

Vote Tennes

[Barghast]

So you logged in, found a train on yourself, built a D1 (half-)symp case in response, only now you're gonna read up the following 2 days (where we actually saw scum lynched, instead of usual D1 shenanigans), and somehow that's supposed to look like you're actually trying to find scum and not just building a new case because you feel threatened?

[Kalse]

Good stuff there Rikkter, but two comments:

1. Until your vote, I thought you were going for Shelthata
2. Since you know that day 2 ended with a scum lynch, don't you think it's worth getting that rereading done before throwing your vote?

[Kalse]

cross-post, lol