[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 11:26 AM, said:

Or do we get into WIFOM territory.

I looked at that vote...seemed very WIFOM and pointless to try and speculate.

[Jalan]

Rikkter, on 13 May 2020 - 12:48 AM, said:

Aranatha is 0 to 60 on this case (blocks of text, tl/dr style). I think the theory of a dumb as shit symp is worth a peek, but right now, Okral caught my eye the most. I never like it when players break the 4th wall and discount their own suspicious behavior in advance in an attempt to forestall suspicion. It is a self awareness that provides an anchor to the claim that they were just being helpful, sorry to seem scummy, nothing to see here. A few other players did this "durr sorry I am scummy" today, but right now, Okral stood out in the context of everything becoming srs biz.

Vote Okral

The first Okral vote. Also would not vote Thyr. I will get a bit more comprehensive when I can this weekend. But for now.

Vote Rikkter

[Aranatha]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 11:31 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 11:26 AM, said:

Or do we get into WIFOM territory.

I looked at that vote...seemed very WIFOM and pointless to try and speculate.

LOL since when has WIFOM stopped people from speculating in MAFIA. It just means you consider it more acutely. Suddenly it's 'pointless'? What the actual? The known scum makes a weird vote before he gets lynched, and that's 'pointless' to speculate about? Are you for real?

[Kalse]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 11:30 AM, said:

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

Really?
- We have a scum lynch and you fall back to "well, I still like my case from yesterday..."?

Yes, my case is still valid and Hanas is still missing. I had yet to go thru the thread to see what could be found.
Whats your problem, LOL. did I hit a nerve?

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- You say there were efforts to push away from Thyrllan (I presume by scum) and you vote for one of target that was pushed as an alternative?

If its my own "target" that I spent time on compiling yesterday and is still perfectly valid then YES.
Hanas has yet to return are they hiding?...or busy.?

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You voted about 10 times and I don't remember a single meaningful one, now you dilute the thread at an important time with your "re-read" spam, I mean, please read, process and come back with something more focused.

I voted 10 times?, lol IS THAT SO?... alight.
Have you bothered to re-read th thread? don't think you have.

Yes I have, I summarized what I found was most interesting in posts 465/466 above.

There are others things I saw that I could comment, but commenting on everything is like commenting on nothing.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 11:04 AM, said:

Sheltatha, I never actually talked about symps. That's you either projecting your own ideas or you're simply scum. I'm beginning to think the latter.

If you don't quote me as saying this then I will simply ignore it as bullshit.
Please provide relevant comment instead of just throwing shit at my walls.

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 11:04 AM, said:

You're putting words in my mouth as usual. All I ever said was that it's interesting to look at who did and didn't vote for Thyr. Also anyone that didn't vote at all, or just votes for 'safe' choices. Like you for instance.

Nope I never said you "said" anything, I said you implieda narrative. Big difference. So "putting words in your mouth" is absolutely not the case.
Squirming much?

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 11:04 AM, said:

You're only voting for 'safe' choices by doing your own little thing in the corner. There's a difference between being town challenging status quo by voting different to get a discussion going and widening the net, which I've been doing, and someone like you that seems to vote so safely, you might aswell not vote at all - first you conveniently 'forgot' about the deadline and then showed up miraculously after the night came around, then you didn't want to vote for the train, although you apparently now thinks it was spot on. You can't have it both ways.

Now who's putting words in mouths?
show me where is said I didn't want to vote for the train?
Stop grabbing at straws.

in fact YOU are the one who isn't want to vote for the train but regrettably had to because to was the only choice, that my friend IS you words.

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 11:04 AM, said:

You even disguised your non voting as concern that Thyr might reveal. You're the one being irrational and completely apparently blind. Also if you don't see what I'm doing with stirring things up, and that it's to help us win, then I don't know what to say, you sheep cretin. If it looks like scum and sounds like scum...
Every single time someone says remotely anything that could be against me, you hop on that so fast you trip over yourself, Shel. It's really starting to look obvious.

Lol you seem to be SQUIRMING pal. anyone can go back and look at my posts to see if it falls in line with any of the shit you are spouting here.
So im not too bothered by your erratic claims about me.

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 11:04 AM, said:

Btw in no way am I saying anything that would automatically exonerate anyone on the train. Hey, look at me even. It will only help actually. If anyone is stupid enough to not get what I'm actually saying, we don't deserve to win.
Enough with your panic driven 'narrative' spiel Sheltatha. Either you can handle the heat, or you can't which means...

vote Sheltatha Lore

lol you literally said that it would be "HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT SCUM IS ON THE TRAIN". why you back peddling now?

And your vote is so YAAAWN.

Go build a CASE on me, this is pure reactionary knee jerk crap on your part. You continue to "impress"

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 11:04 AM, said:

Barghast is definitely correct that the train went fast there at the end, but remember people have different strategies when playing, and just because someone doesn't play exactly like you do, doesn't mean they're not playing good. You just have to be open to it. If anyone have any questions, ask away.

ppppfffhhtt... seriously...no comment.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

Yes I have, I summarized what I found was most interesting in posts 465/466 above.

There are others things I saw that I could comment, but commenting on everything is like commenting on nothing.

thats commenting on literally just the end of the day....erm

you telling me you read the ENTIRE THREAD and only thing you noticed was THAT?

I find it hard to believe.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

Cross-post with Aranatha. If anything Shelly is acting like a symp.

Who am I symping now?

[Sheltatha Lore]

Im halfway with a re-eread...need to go do some other shit. Will come back and se what else there is of note later on If I can fond some time.
Weekend is long..no need to rush anything.

ciao for now Peeps

[Aranatha]

If you can't back up your 'case' with an actual vote, Shel, why would anyone take you seriously? If I'm so bad, then why aren't you voting for me? This shit makes me laugh because you keep complaining that I'm not making a case, and then when I do make a case, you just keep saying I'm not making a case. Huh, it's almost like I'm not expecting you to out yourself as a scum. Because that would be a first.

1. Implying I'm saying something I haven't actually said is the same as putting words in my mouth, genius.

2. It's very clear you didn't want to vote for the train, because you DIDN'T even when you clearly had the chance, in time, to change your vote. And you disguised that non vote with your concern for a possible reveal. That's not me saying you actually SAID that out loud - I'm just reading your actions.

3. That something is unlikely is NOT the same as being completely impossible. Also I already explained in another post that maybe I had a biased view since I view the roles of the game differently. It's just wise to slightly revise ones' position when things are explained to you - has nothing to do with me trying to exonerate anyone on the train - quite the opposite actually!

4. I doubt very much my vote is 'Yawn' as you put it. And it's definitely not 'knee jerk' - I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt for pages after pages of crap. But as usual you can't actually substantiate any of your vague claims and you're able to chill whatsoever. Symp or straight up scum, you're definitely not playing on my team right now. Hence my vote.

[Kalse]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 11:57 AM, said:

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

Cross-post with Aranatha. If anything Shelly is acting like a symp.

Who am I symping now?

Not symping someone, just acting like a symp. Spamming the thread and confusing things. I gave an example in my post 475, the only fucking post in the last hour you didn't comment on.

It's obvious many players are low posters because busy, now we just lynched scum and by padding like that you decrease their chance/motivation to do a careful analyses of the dynamic of that lynch.

[Gait]

Jalan, on 16 May 2020 - 11:31 AM, said:

Rikkter, on 13 May 2020 - 12:48 AM, said:

Aranatha is 0 to 60 on this case (blocks of text, tl/dr style). I think the theory of a dumb as shit symp is worth a peek, but right now, Okral caught my eye the most. I never like it when players break the 4th wall and discount their own suspicious behavior in advance in an attempt to forestall suspicion. It is a self awareness that provides an anchor to the claim that they were just being helpful, sorry to seem scummy, nothing to see here. A few other players did this "durr sorry I am scummy" today, but right now, Okral stood out in the context of everything becoming srs biz.

Vote Okral

The first Okral vote. Also would not vote Thyr. I will get a bit more comprehensive when I can this weekend. But for now.

Vote Rikkter

I'll be honest, theres something refreshing about how brief this post is.

I looked back to check, and yes, all true. Rikkter voted for Hanas and Sheltatha joined him there till days end.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:17 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:

Skintick, on 13 May 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

What a pretty pile up, will be interesting to analyze later

Thought it might be connected to Tennes getting 2 votes to Okral's 3 but then the Okral voters are pretty direct in opposing the votes on Tennes which doesn't look like a scum strategy

I don't think Okral is that likely to be a killer, his play seems too unguarded for scum, wishy washy indeed but like careless about it

I wouldn't bring up lack of resistance as an argument, this is not much of a time or situation for resistance from scum

But still this was easy and I'm a little alarmed how swiftly the train went, including Ruse's and Ara's relatively quick switch from Tennes (Note that Aranatha is suddenly content enough with following Tennes after all the vibe scanner stuff)

vote Thyrllan

A lot of dubious stuff going on today but it kinda started when there were 2 votes on Thyr, who during that time got a few joke or otherwise altogether insubstantial posts in, made sure he takes having the votes on himself with ease, then as the attention on him died away so did his presence

Thyr is definitely coasting. They were around yesterday, but it was just banter, nothing of substance.

Here is Skintick adding to the idea brought forward by Barghst of a derailed Thyr train... this is where the idea seems to build traction.

What? In that very simple post Skintick says that Thyr was coasting, nothing about addiing to the idea of a derailed Thyr train on day 1.

Skintick was actually vocal about disagreeing with this idea in other posts.

Why post things like this, and why is this important?

this got caught up in all my crossposts.



I think its relevant because at this point of my re-read I am trying to figure out how the Thyrllan Lynch train started.

The context/reasoning behind it. and then who didn't like these anti Thyrllan posts and tried to steer in other directions.

Skintick was the fist vote for him day 2, but Barghast was the first to start the whole idea about the day 1 Thyrllan vote train on day 1 being derailed.
Barghast was the first real push at Thyr.

Skintick voted for coasting, followed quickly by Jalan for similar reasons... not for Barghast derailment reasoning, all are valid votes regardless.

Im still busy with reread... as I said im trying to post things/info I find interesting or relevant.

We know Skintick is town, Jalan could well be town, and Barghast IMO is most likely town.

We have a few players who did not like push for Thyrllan at this stage. But I am still busy and yet to finish the re-read and findings on that front.

[Tennes]

First things first. I promised myself I will finish some work this weekend and I'll need to minimize distractions to accomplish that. Not gonna be around a whole lot until Monday afternoon. Did take some notes from end of D2 and then N2, however, so here we go.

In broad strokes:
* Currently my mind is on Prazec and Ruse so no surprise here.
* I didn't think Aranatha was scum before but their actions from this Night made me reconsider.
* Rikkter, Kilava, and Jalan had zero scrutiny so far. They're laying low, casting votes, and not being bothered by anyone... until now, when Jalan is turning against Rikkter. They definitely need more scrutiny. It shouldn't be too time-consuming since they didn't post a lot so at some point I'm gonna try take a look at them.
* Gamelon hasn't posted since checking in and hasn't been modkilled. I wonder if there's more to that than meets the eye.

Now, let's dive in. Ruse first because that's where I'll put my vote for the time being.

They have a handful of posts and most of them look incriminating and yet they managed to coast to D3 without much trouble. Enough has been said already about that D1 post where they tried to frame D1 as a Tennes/Aranatha choice. But here are their votes from both days:

Ruse, on 13 May 2020 - 02:29 PM, said:

It seems Okral is the only lynch for the day:


Remove vote

Vote Okral Lom

Ruse, on 15 May 2020 - 08:15 PM, said:

Vote Thyrllan

As the most likely lynch candidate at this stage. I note that I am completely fine with this lynch because it was rather interesting how D1 attention moved away from him.

These are L-3 and L-2 votes. Both when there was no other choice and timeout was looming. Without any reasoning other than 'I'm fine with this'. Ruse carefully boarded both lynch trains in secure positions and made sure to not make comments that would come back to them or rustle any feathers. Scummy af.

Then last Night Ruse finally decides to share some opinions. In a curious manner. These are their two posts:

Ruse, on 15 May 2020 - 09:35 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

What's the likelihood that their scum friends voted for him? Not very high, so we should probably start looking closely at anyone that voted for someone else, or didn't vote. So much more to go on now than before.

I disagree with that take. In fact, it's very likely there are some scum on the train. For example, Prazec's vote is now rubbing me the wrong way because it screams "Look at me I hammered I'm not scum."

Ruse, on 15 May 2020 - 11:16 PM, said:

SL you could have been waiting for your partner to come reveal as finder & and therefore not voted for him.

This is only the most ham-handed reason for scum to wait where you did. There are many others.

So Ruse finds both Prazec scummy for hammering and Sheltatha for waiting with hammer? You can't have it both ways, honey. Oh, and sprinkling some fake reveal speculation on top of that doesn't help either.

Looks hella scummy to me so for now I'm gonna:

Vote Ruse.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 12:04 PM, said:

If you can't back up your 'case' with an actual vote, Shel, why would anyone take you seriously? If I'm so bad, then why aren't you voting for me? This shit makes me laugh because you keep complaining that I'm not making a case, and then when I do make a case, you just keep saying I'm not making a case. Huh, it's almost like I'm not expecting you to out yourself as a scum. Because that would be a first.

1. Implying I'm saying something I haven't actually said is the same as putting words in my mouth, genius.

2. It's very clear you didn't want to vote for the train, because you DIDN'T even when you clearly had the chance, in time, to change your vote. And you disguised that non vote with your concern for a possible reveal. That's not me saying you actually SAID that out loud - I'm just reading your actions.

3. That something is unlikely is NOT the same as being completely impossible. Also I already explained in another post that maybe I had a biased view since I view the roles of the game differently. It's just wise to slightly revise ones' position when things are explained to you - has nothing to do with me trying to exonerate anyone on the train - quite the opposite actually!

4. I doubt very much my vote is 'Yawn' as you put it. And it's definitely not 'knee jerk' - I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt for pages after pages of crap. But as usual you can't actually substantiate any of your vague claims and you're able to chill whatsoever. Symp or straight up scum, you're definitely not playing on my team right now. Hence my vote.

You constantly say stuff...without quoting anything from me for context.

no nobody...myself included can understand and therefore judge your claims.

it's jut you saying STUFF.
so...ill say again. where is your CASE.

Until you do... im gonna ignore you, cause your shit is just a wasting my and the entire threads time.

[Tennes]

Moving on to Prazec.

I was focused on Prazec on D2 for their Okral/Okraos slip and they didn't do anything to alleviate that suspicion. If anything, they made themselves look even scummier.

This is about 5 hours to timeout, when trains are at 4/4/2:

Prazec Goul, on 15 May 2020 - 05:06 PM, said:

Ok, I’ve missed quite a bit. I like the Hanas case, and am going to go back and read him myself. Kalse seems too reasonable for me to want to buy into his Venesara case. Whenever I find myself thinking that about a player, they always turn out to be scum. And Thyr just looks scummy.

Seeing as things can go any direction, Prazec lays the groundwork for jumping on whichever trains looks best. And then they disappear for a few hours.

Conveniently, they turn up at L-1 with an hour to go and proclaim they actually had bad vibes from Thyr all along:

Prazec Goul, on 15 May 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

I was just about to vote, and saw Thyr is already on L1. Sorry my readup took so long, still a lot going on personally.

I would also vote Thyr today. He’s given me bad vibes since his perfectly average comment, and his post padding after being called out for coasting looks wrong.

Prazec Goul, on 15 May 2020 - 08:55 PM, said:

Screw it, I don’t think we’ll hear from him.

vote Thyr

Looks like Prazec was waiting to see what happens and when the scum lynch was imminent, they decided to cut the losses.

[Tennes]

And now Aranatha.

I can't be bothered to untangle two pages of the Ara/Shel pissing contest but I noticed a pattern in Aranatha's behavior.

On D1 Ara went on a rant about me and was super convinced that I'm scum. They received mild pushback for the strength of conviction this early in the game, so they mellowed out and pretended they of course cannot be certain and actually they were only prodding. Let's take a look.

Ara went from this:

Aranatha, on 12 May 2020 - 11:30 PM, said:

Honestly Tennes, if you're not scum, then my vibe scanner is so off, I might aswell go and live in a shoe box and never play mafia again. Although I'm not tiny enough for a shoe box. Hmm.
As soon as anyone start making up ridiculous claims after barely one day, over analyzing word choices claiming symp, I get major scum vibes. Actually my radar is going off like crazy right now. Beep Beep BEEP.

First you vote Skintick for absolutely no reason, then take the vote away for even less. Trying to seem like town so much, you might aswell have a giant 'scum' sign above your head. Just saying.

I guess you could be poking for the sake of poking, and as such randomness can work sometimes, but I'm not really convinced that's your motive. I can SMELL you. Huh.


ALSO can we PLEASE have some normal vote counting - the current vote counting is confusing as fuck. Also I don't want to have to keep counting how many votes are necessary - would Path-fucker please give an update with that. Pfff.

Back to Tennes the scum scummery scum. Did you really hover over Skintick like a giant hovercrafting hovercraft sent to hover, and didn't think nobody would notice? Care to explain yourself hover-over-er?

To this:

Aranatha, on 13 May 2020 - 02:07 PM, said:

My poking is over for now guys. Either way day one lynches are always going to be a lot more guess based than the rest. I agree that Okral lom is somewhat weird, so I'll be okay to switch to that. My thinking about what happened yesterday with me and Sheltatha going at it is that it's possible that we're both town because of the amount of noise we're willing to put out there. It's not something that scum do often, at least not on day one. But I still definitely will keep my eye on both Sheltatha and Tennes. Both of them have argued and posted in ways that makes me think they could be scum also, as I've laid out. Not much else to do right now than to see where it leads.
Anyways, I'm not exactly sure when I'll be back, so I'll

remove vote

vote Okral lom

From IF YOU'RE NOT SCUM THEN I'M NEVER PLAYING MAFIA AGAIN to 'I guess I poked enough'.

I wrote it off as an over-eager townie play but on N2, similar thing happens. Aranatha posts this about the lynch train:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

What's the likelihood that their scum friends voted for him? Not very high, so we should probably start looking closely at anyone that voted for someone else, or didn't vote. So much more to go on now than before.

First thing Aranatha does after a scum lynch from a 10 people train, is suggest there are no scum on that train. That suggestion received some pushback because of course it would: it's horribly wrong. It goes against Mafia experience and common sense. And this is what Ara came back with:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:44 PM, said:

I'm not saying it's not impossible that scum was on the train, I just think it's unlikely. But yes we should definitely have a look at anyone suspicious on the train too ofcourse.

Yet again Aranatha forms a strong opinion and then when you press them on that, they turn into an indignant philosopher who says that maybe, but also maybe not, and that actually their opinion wasn't that in the first place and yes we should absolutely look at everyone suspicious (well, duh).

It does nothing but sow confusion and I'm starting to suspect it might be on purpose. Curious what others think though, because I'm certainly biased by Ara's weird hard-on for me.

[Aranatha]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 01:58 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 12:04 PM, said:

If you can't back up your 'case' with an actual vote, Shel, why would anyone take you seriously? If I'm so bad, then why aren't you voting for me? This shit makes me laugh because you keep complaining that I'm not making a case, and then when I do make a case, you just keep saying I'm not making a case. Huh, it's almost like I'm not expecting you to out yourself as a scum. Because that would be a first. 1. Implying I'm saying something I haven't actually said is the same as putting words in my mouth, genius.2. It's very clear you didn't want to vote for the train, because you DIDN'T even when you clearly had the chance, in time, to change your vote. And you disguised that non vote with your concern for a possible reveal. That's not me saying you actually SAID that out loud - I'm just reading your actions. 3. That something is unlikely is NOT the same as being completely impossible. Also I already explained in another post that maybe I had a biased view since I view the roles of the game differently. It's just wise to slightly revise ones' position when things are explained to you - has nothing to do with me trying to exonerate anyone on the train - quite the opposite actually!4. I doubt very much my vote is 'Yawn' as you put it. And it's definitely not 'knee jerk' - I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt for pages after pages of crap. But as usual you can't actually substantiate any of your vague claims and you're able to chill whatsoever. Symp or straight up scum, you're definitely not playing on my team right now. Hence my vote.

You constantly say stuff...without quoting anything from me for context.no nobody...myself included can understand and therefore judge your claims.it's jut you saying STUFF. so...ill say again. where is your CASE.Until you do... im gonna ignore you, cause your shit is just a wasting my and the entire threads time.

Contrary to your beliefs, quoting doesn't mean you actually say anything of value. People can read, even if you apparently can't. My case, in a nutshell, is that you're not playing for my team right now. I have no idea what you're even doing, but you're not town. I've explained my case twice in a row now. Quoting doesn't mean anything if it's just padding, as you use it as.

Plenty of people refer to events, actions and posts without quoting every goddamn thing. Tennes just did above.

Hey speaking of, Tennes what exactly did I do that made you so sure that I'm scum? Apparently it's illegal, according to Shel, to accuse anyone without quoting incessantly. You better quote one of my posts, quick before they start nagging you about it.

There's an emerging pattern here that I don't like - Tennes and Shel are looking at all others but each other. Curious indeed. I don't mind Tennes being suspicious of me or whotever - but he never even considers his buddy Shel. Just an observation. Since we're in the business of counting how many 'official' cases we have, and that we have to say them aloud or they don't count...
So annoying btw guys. Only scum give away all their 'cases' because their cases are FAKE. Where's the IQ helmets when you need them.

Anyways, I'm gonna be gone for a while. Please don't make a mess while I'm gone.

[Aranatha]

Yikes, cross-post.

[Aranatha]

Tennes, dear. I already addressed those questions that you red marked in earlier posts. But you'll have to read ALL my posts to get it, cause I don't have the energy to keep repeating myself.
You're welcome to disagree or think I'm suspicious or whatever you feel like you need to, but I don't have anything to hide, quite literally. Although I may or may not say everything I think, just as you don't. Because scum are watching, those beady eyed bastards.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 02:45 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 01:58 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 12:04 PM, said:

If you can't back up your 'case' with an actual vote, Shel, why would anyone take you seriously? If I'm so bad, then why aren't you voting for me? This shit makes me laugh because you keep complaining that I'm not making a case, and then when I do make a case, you just keep saying I'm not making a case. Huh, it's almost like I'm not expecting you to out yourself as a scum. Because that would be a first. 1. Implying I'm saying something I haven't actually said is the same as putting words in my mouth, genius.2. It's very clear you didn't want to vote for the train, because you DIDN'T even when you clearly had the chance, in time, to change your vote. And you disguised that non vote with your concern for a possible reveal. That's not me saying you actually SAID that out loud - I'm just reading your actions. 3. That something is unlikely is NOT the same as being completely impossible. Also I already explained in another post that maybe I had a biased view since I view the roles of the game differently. It's just wise to slightly revise ones' position when things are explained to you - has nothing to do with me trying to exonerate anyone on the train - quite the opposite actually!4. I doubt very much my vote is 'Yawn' as you put it. And it's definitely not 'knee jerk' - I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt for pages after pages of crap. But as usual you can't actually substantiate any of your vague claims and you're able to chill whatsoever. Symp or straight up scum, you're definitely not playing on my team right now. Hence my vote.

You constantly say stuff...without quoting anything from me for context.no nobody...myself included can understand and therefore judge your claims.it's jut you saying STUFF. so...ill say again. where is your CASE.Until you do... im gonna ignore you, cause your shit is just a wasting my and the entire threads time.

Contrary to your beliefs, quoting doesn't mean you actually say anything of value. People can read, even if you apparently can't. My case, in a nutshell, is that you're not playing for my team right now. I have no idea what you're even doing, but you're not town. I've explained my case twice in a row now. Quoting doesn't mean anything if it's just padding, as you use it as.

Plenty of people refer to events, actions and posts without quoting every goddamn thing. Tennes just did above.

Hey speaking of, Tennes what exactly did I do that made you so sure that I'm scum? Apparently it's illegal, according to Shel, to accuse anyone without quoting incessantly. You better quote one of my posts, quick before they start nagging you about it.

There's an emerging pattern here that I don't like - Tennes and Shel are looking at all others but each other. Curious indeed. I don't mind Tennes being suspicious of me or whotever - but he never even considers his buddy Shel. Just an observation. Since we're in the business of counting how many 'official' cases we have, and that we have to say them aloud or they don't count...
So annoying btw guys. Only scum give away all their 'cases' because their cases are FAKE. Where's the IQ helmets when you need them.

Anyways, I'm gonna be gone for a while. Please don't make a mess while I'm gone.

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