[Aranatha]

Gait, on 16 May 2020 - 05:58 AM, said:

Seems weird to hear you oppose looking into Thyrs interactions now that they've turned up scum?

Eh. Never said anything about opposing looking into Thyr's interactions dude. I'm simply stating the obvious, we got fucking lucky with that lynch.
If you want to ignore what I actually said and twist my words, go ahead. I stand by everything I said before the train happened, considering what I had to go on. Obviously others saw something there that I didn't, but I still think we got lucky, and that's that.

[Aranatha]

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 06:48 AM, said:

Gait, on 16 May 2020 - 05:58 AM, said:

Seems weird to hear you oppose looking into Thyrs interactions now that they've turned up scum?

Eh. Never said anything about opposing looking into Thyr's interactions dude. I'm simply stating the obvious, we got fucking lucky with that lynch.
If you want to ignore what I actually said and twist my words, go ahead. I stand by everything I said before the train happened, considering what I had to go on. Obviously others saw something there that I didn't, but I still think we got lucky, and that's that.

Oh and as for what I said when I voted, that's pretty self explanatory. As I said before, one of the things we need to look at is who did and didn't vote for Thyr. If you want to read something else into that that isn't there, then that's your problem, not mine.

[Kalse]

Fuck yeah! Rare thing to lynch a scum so early in a game. Actually, I'm a bit surprised this was PB, I've seen him play way cleaner killer games.

Now a good reread is due, but I just want to say I agree with this:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 09:36 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

What's the likelihood that their scum friends voted for him? Not very high, so we should probably start looking closely at anyone that voted for someone else, or didn't vote. So much more to go on now than before.

I wouldn't discount the voters. Scum vote for other scum for distancing. Especially when they think the Lynch is inevitable.

I wouldn't discount the second half of the Lynch train at all.

Killer(s) on the train for sure; however I would dismiss the early ones, those that put the target on Thyrllan from the start of the day, I can't see scum being so brazen:

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

Chris text his girlfriend. He needed to meet her. He was in with some bad people. He knew it but she didn't.

I NEED TO SEE YOU. 22:00, RILEYS. C XXX

At ten o'clock Chris put down his beer on the counter. He faced the door. It had just opened to allow a petite blonde. She looked around the pool tables and then towards the bar. She smiled and sauntered over. The smile vanished as she saw the look on Chris' face. He ordered her a drink and whispered about what he had done. She was shocked at first, consoling him with kind words and pleading with him to come clean. He told her he couldn't. She left then, heart broken and sad.

Chris watched her go. No way was he going to confess. He didn't know what he was doing telling Jemma. She was pretty yeah but more than a bit bunny boilerish. He would have to end it.

He walked outside but couldn't see her anywhere. So he got out his keys and made his way to his car. A screech of tyres on the ground, a flash of headlights and before he could react Jenna drove straight through him. Under the wheels he went. The car stopped. Then reversed. Tears in her eyes she hated what he had become. She could do some good by stopping it.

"Fuck you Chris" she sobbed.


It is day 2. About 0 hours remaining.

19 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara.


2 votes Venesara:Okaros, Osseric
10 votes Thyrllan; Skintick, Jalan, Barghast, Gait, Tennes, Kilava, Kalse, Ruse, Aranatha, Prazec Goul
1 vote Fanderay; Thyrllan
2 votes Hanas; Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore

Players not voted; Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Prazec Goul, Venesara.

Thyrllan has been lynched. He was Peanutbutta and Scum

The underlined at least are very probable inno to me

[Aranatha]

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 06:59 AM, said:

The underlined at least are very probable inno to me

That's reasonable enough. Perhaps the difference in view on when or if scum lands on a train depends on what play style you're personally used to. I tend to look at the most likely target, also because of the difficulty in the task of trying to figure out where a scum would land in the train. In the middle? The end? Would they hammer? I supposed a hammer would make sense in a way. Hmm.

[Kalse]

OK, I noticed two things in re-reading the end of day:

First is this trio of posts:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

There's some really interesting divides going on about who is scummy or not, and that should give us some valuable information as to who is who once we get a lynch result. I'm really not excited about being on the same train as Tennes and gang, but Thyrrlan seems to be the only lynch option. Should be interesting to see who votes for him and who doesn't. Might aswell rip off the band aid.

remove vote
Vote Thyrllan

Edited: just to add the bold

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:23 PM, said:

I told yah we would get some good information out of this, but oh man I'm so happy right now, I didn't expect us to hit a scum this early!

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

What's the likelihood that their scum friends voted for him? Not very high, so we should probably start looking closely at anyone that voted for someone else, or didn't vote. So much more to go on now than before.

I mean, read all this with "The Room"-level acting skills and it's almost too on the nose. Then again, killers usually try to stay average and Thyrlann actually had some posts where he was writing about how average he was.

[Kalse]

The second thing is Prazec's hammer when PS literally just wrote there was 1h left in the day (and others were around). It was already highlighted by others.

What is interesting is the Prazec-Okaros duo:

Okaros misses the whole day one, yet Prazec voted him when he meant Okral.

After my second vote on Venaras, there was this quick pressure and votes on Thyrllan, and right after Okaros voted Veneras, I noted at the time that this could be to reshift the pressure away from Thyr

Then there is Prazec premature hammer, maybe afraid he would get heat if he was around and didn't contribute to lynching scum.

Okaros first post after the lynch seems a bit off:

Okaros, on 15 May 2020 - 10:30 PM, said:

Well played people. Sorry I missed the lynch, forgot about the game (again). To be honest, I probably wouldn't have switched to Thyr unless there was really no one else around to get the lynch done - I just didn't think the case against them amounted to more than he made some lame posts, which most have. Guess my scumdar needs a good rewriting.

and his second one:

Okaros, on 15 May 2020 - 10:33 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 15 May 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

I was just about to vote, and saw Thyr is already on L1. Sorry my readup took so long, still a lot going on personally.

I would also vote Thyr today. He's given me bad vibes since his perfectly average comment, and his post padding after being called out for coasting looks wrong.

I would like to know what else caught your eye on your read up, which you didn't mention and went straight to voting Thyr instead. That is, if Thyr hadn't been the only viable lynch when you came back, what was it you would have said?

sounds like a strange choice of post for someone who is not active. I mean, why would you like to know that? Sounds like a way to help Prazec defend his hammer.

These may be weak-ish in isolation but looking at these in connection makes a story.

Anyways, the day is quite long and there is no rush, I'll be happy to hear other analyses

[Okaros]

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 07:32 AM, said:

The second thing is Prazec's hammer when PS literally just wrote there was 1h left in the day (and others were around). It was already highlighted by others.

What is interesting is the Prazec-Okaros duo:

Okaros misses the whole day one, yet Prazec voted him when he meant Okral.

After my second vote on Venaras, there was this quick pressure and votes on Thyrllan, and right after Okaros voted Veneras, I noted at the time that this could be to reshift the pressure away from Thyr

Then there is Prazec premature hammer, maybe afraid he would get heat if he was around and didn't contribute to lynching scum.

Okaros first post after the lynch seems a bit off:

Okaros, on 15 May 2020 - 10:30 PM, said:

Well played people. Sorry I missed the lynch, forgot about the game (again). To be honest, I probably wouldn't have switched to Thyr unless there was really no one else around to get the lynch done - I just didn't think the case against them amounted to more than he made some lame posts, which most have. Guess my scumdar needs a good rewriting.

and his second one:

Okaros, on 15 May 2020 - 10:33 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 15 May 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

I was just about to vote, and saw Thyr is already on L1. Sorry my readup took so long, still a lot going on personally.

I would also vote Thyr today. He's given me bad vibes since his perfectly average comment, and his post padding after being called out for coasting looks wrong.

I would like to know what else caught your eye on your read up, which you didn't mention and went straight to voting Thyr instead. That is, if Thyr hadn't been the only viable lynch when you came back, what was it you would have said?

sounds like a strange choice of post for someone who is not active. I mean, why would you like to know that? Sounds like a way to help Prazec defend his hammer.

These may be weak-ish in isolation but looking at these in connection makes a story.

Anyways, the day is quite long and there is no rush, I'll be happy to hear other analyses

Actually, the opposite. I suspect that Prazec did no real re-read (because scum don’t tend to) and therefore had nothing to say in that regard (and that’s why they didn’t). Their ‘oh yeah, Thyr looks dodgy to me too, I’ll vote that way’ rather than first elaborating on what they found on their advertised reread first made me raise an eyebrow or three.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 07:21 AM, said:

OK, I noticed two things in re-reading the end of day:

First is this trio of posts:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

There's some really interesting divides going on about who is scummy or not, and that should give us some valuable information as to who is who once we get a lynch result. I'm really not excited about being on the same train as Tennes and gang, but Thyrrlan seems to be the only lynch option. Should be interesting to see who votes for him and who doesn't. Might aswell rip off the band aid.

remove vote
Vote Thyrllan

Edited: just to add the bold

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:23 PM, said:

I told yah we would get some good information out of this, but oh man I'm so happy right now, I didn't expect us to hit a scum this early!

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

What's the likelihood that their scum friends voted for him? Not very high, so we should probably start looking closely at anyone that voted for someone else, or didn't vote. So much more to go on now than before.

I mean, read all this with "The Room"-level acting skills and it's almost too on the nose. Then again, killers usually try to stay average and Thyrlann actually had some posts where he was writing about how average he was.

This is precisely why I was all over him last night.
when I read these posts I couldn't believe what I was reading.

He actively sets himself up for "glory" when reluctantly voting Thyr, and once the Lynch result comes out he cashes in and gives himself a giant reach-around to congratulate himself for doing it.
He is very critical of anyone who didn't vote suddenly, even tho he apparently didn't like to be on the train with Tennes. Wishy Washy AF.

Then he goes on to push a narrative that comes dangerously close to exonerating those on the vote train (himself or perhaps its others on the train he is protecting) using terribly flimsy logic.
And starts attacking people (me for one) who didn't vote.


I wasn't arguing with him for no reason last night, I was seeing how far he would push his narrative. He didn't back down much, but he did start to slightly side step his narrative when he I pointed the flaws in his logic.
He also doubled down on attacking me for pointing out the flaws.
All this was very interesting to me.

I would build a case on him if it didn't seem self serving and end up detracting from the case coming from me...
Perhaps I will anyways.
I think there is a lot to be found in Aranatha and his erratic "aggressive" single minded approach since day one (actually that in of itself is interesting because both days he came at me and Tennes after voting for Thyr...)

Looking at the posts after Thyr came out...at a glance, Gait, Kalse and Aranatha immediately stand out as people who seemed to be trying to push a narrative away from a Thyr Lynch. And probably all need to be looked at this weekend.
If I have time I will try and look at all three and try put something tough.

For now
Vote Hanas




Because my case on them is still valid, they have had zero interaction with Thyr that I can remember
And much like Thyr, they coasting and have yet to come back and respond to any of the accusations.

[Sheltatha Lore]

I am going thru a quick re-read and picking up anything that I find interesting or valuable as I go.

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

What a pretty pile up, will be interesting to analyze later

Thought it might be connected to Tennes getting 2 votes to Okral's 3 but then the Okral voters are pretty direct in opposing the votes on Tennes which doesn't look like a scum strategy

I don't think Okral is that likely to be a killer, his play seems too unguarded for scum, wishy washy indeed but like careless about it

I wouldn't bring up lack of resistance as an argument, this is not much of a time or situation for resistance from scum

But still this was easy and I'm a little alarmed how swiftly the train went, including Ruse's and Ara's relatively quick switch from Tennes (Note that Aranatha is suddenly content enough with following Tennes after all the vibe scanner stuff)

vote Thyrllan

A lot of dubious stuff going on today but it kinda started when there were 2 votes on Thyr, who during that time got a few joke or otherwise altogether insubstantial posts in, made sure he takes having the votes on himself with ease, then as the attention on him died away so did his presence

Before this post there was a lot of back and forth between myself, Aranathas and Tennes and his symp signal case.
I had gotten hung up on Aranathas maybe Symping someone Tennes had been pointing at the whole time.

Skintick pointed out that Aranathas had actually only started making a fuss AFTER Tennes removed his vote for Skintick which made the symp play by Arantahs illogical.
I agreed as I had not realised this and removed my vote.


So the above post by Barghast brought BACK FOR THE FIRST TIME the idea that it was actually the initial Thyrllan mini vote train that was derailed...So looking at this again I would put Barghast on the innocences half of my table.
of course there is the possibility of distancing as always but it would be a very risky but of distancing to put focus right back on a partner when people had seemed to forget about Thyr entirely by this time.


[continuing my re-read]

[Sheltatha Lore]

Skintick, on 13 May 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

What a pretty pile up, will be interesting to analyze later

Thought it might be connected to Tennes getting 2 votes to Okral's 3 but then the Okral voters are pretty direct in opposing the votes on Tennes which doesn't look like a scum strategy

I don't think Okral is that likely to be a killer, his play seems too unguarded for scum, wishy washy indeed but like careless about it

I wouldn't bring up lack of resistance as an argument, this is not much of a time or situation for resistance from scum

But still this was easy and I'm a little alarmed how swiftly the train went, including Ruse's and Ara's relatively quick switch from Tennes (Note that Aranatha is suddenly content enough with following Tennes after all the vibe scanner stuff)

vote Thyrllan

A lot of dubious stuff going on today but it kinda started when there were 2 votes on Thyr, who during that time got a few joke or otherwise altogether insubstantial posts in, made sure he takes having the votes on himself with ease, then as the attention on him died away so did his presence

Thyr is definitely coasting. They were around yesterday, but it was just banter, nothing of substance.

Here is Skintick adding to the idea brought forward by Barghst of a derailed Thyr train... this is where the idea seems to build traction.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 13 May 2020 - 03:42 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

But still this was easy and I'm a little alarmed how swiftly the train went, including Ruse's and Ara's relatively quick switch from Tennes (Note that Aranatha is suddenly content enough with following Tennes after all the vibe scanner stuff)

Just a quick clarification - just because you suspect one person doesn't mean you can't suspect others aswell. I'm sure there are more than one scum in the game, and there's not that much time left, so I'm not sure what the problem is with being quick?
Unless you want no lynch on day one? Is that what you're saying?

Aranatha doesn't like this logic at all.... interesting..

[Aranatha]

Sheltatha, I never actually talked about symps. That's you either projecting your own ideas or you're simply scum. I'm beginning to think the latter.

You're putting words in my mouth as usual. All I ever said was that it's interesting to look at who did and didn't vote for Thyr. Also anyone that didn't vote at all, or just votes for 'safe' choices. Like you for instance.
You're only voting for 'safe' choices by doing your own little thing in the corner. There's a difference between being town challenging status quo by voting different to get a discussion going and widening the net, which I've been doing, and someone like you that seems to vote so safely, you might aswell not vote at all - first you conveniently 'forgot' about the deadline and then showed up miraculously after the night came around, then you didn't want to vote for the train, although you apparently now thinks it was spot on. You can't have it both ways.
You even disguised your non voting as concern that Thyr might reveal. You're the one being irrational and completely apparently blind. Also if you don't see what I'm doing with stirring things up, and that it's to help us win, then I don't know what to say, you sheep cretin. If it looks like scum and sounds like scum...
Every single time someone says remotely anything that could be against me, you hop on that so fast you trip over yourself, Shel. It's really starting to look obvious.
Btw in no way am I saying anything that would automatically exonerate anyone on the train. Hey, look at me even. It will only help actually. If anyone is stupid enough to not get what I'm actually saying, we don't deserve to win.
Enough with your panic driven 'narrative' spiel Sheltatha. Either you can handle the heat, or you can't which means...

vote Sheltatha Lore


Barghast is definitely correct that the train went fast there at the end, but remember people have different strategies when playing, and just because someone doesn't play exactly like you do, doesn't mean they're not playing good. You just have to be open to it. If anyone have any questions, ask away.

[Kalse]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 10:01 AM, said:

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 07:21 AM, said:

OK, I noticed two things in re-reading the end of day:

First is this trio of posts:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

There's some really interesting divides going on about who is scummy or not, and that should give us some valuable information as to who is who once we get a lynch result. I'm really not excited about being on the same train as Tennes and gang, but Thyrrlan seems to be the only lynch option. Should be interesting to see who votes for him and who doesn't. Might aswell rip off the band aid.

remove vote
Vote Thyrllan

Edited: just to add the bold

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:23 PM, said:

I told yah we would get some good information out of this, but oh man I'm so happy right now, I didn't expect us to hit a scum this early!

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

What's the likelihood that their scum friends voted for him? Not very high, so we should probably start looking closely at anyone that voted for someone else, or didn't vote. So much more to go on now than before.

I mean, read all this with "The Room"-level acting skills and it's almost too on the nose. Then again, killers usually try to stay average and Thyrlann actually had some posts where he was writing about how average he was.

This is precisely why I was all over him last night.
when I read these posts I couldn't believe what I was reading.

He actively sets himself up for "glory" when reluctantly voting Thyr, and once the Lynch result comes out he cashes in and gives himself a giant reach-around to congratulate himself for doing it.
He is very critical of anyone who didn't vote suddenly, even tho he apparently didn't like to be on the train with Tennes. Wishy Washy AF.

Then he goes on to push a narrative that comes dangerously close to exonerating those on the vote train (himself or perhaps its others on the train he is protecting) using terribly flimsy logic.
And starts attacking people (me for one) who didn't vote.


I wasn't arguing with him for no reason last night, I was seeing how far he would push his narrative. He didn't back down much, but he did start to slightly side step his narrative when he I pointed the flaws in his logic.
He also doubled down on attacking me for pointing out the flaws.
All this was very interesting to me.

I would build a case on him if it didn't seem self serving and end up detracting from the case coming from me...
Perhaps I will anyways.
I think there is a lot to be found in Aranatha and his erratic "aggressive" single minded approach since day one (actually that in of itself is interesting because both days he came at me and Tennes after voting for Thyr...)

Looking at the posts after Thyr came out...at a glance, Gait, Kalse and Aranatha immediately stand out as people who seemed to be trying to push a narrative away from a Thyr Lynch. And probably all need to be looked at this weekend.
If I have time I will try and look at all three and try put something tough.

For now
Vote Hanas




Because my case on them is still valid, they have had zero interaction with Thyr that I can remember
And much like Thyr, they coasting and have yet to come back and respond to any of the accusations.

Really?
- We have a scum lynch and you fall back to "well, I still like my case from yesterday..."?
- You say there were efforts to push away from Thyrllan (I presume by scum) and you vote for one of target that was pushed as an alternative?

You voted about 10 times and I don't remember a single meaningful one, now you dilute the thread at an important time with your "re-read" spam, I mean, please read, process and come back with something more focused.

[Kalse]

Cross-post with Aranatha. If anything Shelly is acting like a symp.

[Kalse]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:

Skintick, on 13 May 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

What a pretty pile up, will be interesting to analyze later

Thought it might be connected to Tennes getting 2 votes to Okral's 3 but then the Okral voters are pretty direct in opposing the votes on Tennes which doesn't look like a scum strategy

I don't think Okral is that likely to be a killer, his play seems too unguarded for scum, wishy washy indeed but like careless about it

I wouldn't bring up lack of resistance as an argument, this is not much of a time or situation for resistance from scum

But still this was easy and I'm a little alarmed how swiftly the train went, including Ruse's and Ara's relatively quick switch from Tennes (Note that Aranatha is suddenly content enough with following Tennes after all the vibe scanner stuff)

vote Thyrllan

A lot of dubious stuff going on today but it kinda started when there were 2 votes on Thyr, who during that time got a few joke or otherwise altogether insubstantial posts in, made sure he takes having the votes on himself with ease, then as the attention on him died away so did his presence

Thyr is definitely coasting. They were around yesterday, but it was just banter, nothing of substance.

Here is Skintick adding to the idea brought forward by Barghst of a derailed Thyr train... this is where the idea seems to build traction.

What? In that very simple post Skintick says that Thyr was coasting, nothing about addiing to the idea of a derailed Thyr train on day 1.

Skintick was actually vocal about disagreeing with this idea in other posts.

Why post things like this, and why is this important?

[Aranatha]

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

Really?
- We have a scum lynch and you fall back to "well, I still like my case from yesterday..."?
- You say there were efforts to push away from Thyrllan (I presume by scum) and you vote for one of target that was pushed as an alternative?

You voted about 10 times and I don't remember a single meaningful one, now you dilute the thread at an important time with your "re-read" spam, I mean, please read, process and come back with something more focused.

Man, haven't you learned by now that all Shel does is distract and distract - he calls people stupid when they question him and then go on rants that completely misrepresents what they are saying and then he contradicts himself - after voting on some obscure case nobody cares about - as long as it's as far away from the current train. Well, at least now he's voting in line with his own passion, which is cool I guess. Go Shelly.

...
Too harsh?

[Aranatha]

Cross post cross post. Well, Kalse, who is he symping if that's so?

[Gait]

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 06:57 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 06:48 AM, said:

Gait, on 16 May 2020 - 05:58 AM, said:

Seems weird to hear you oppose looking into Thyrs interactions now that they've turned up scum?

Eh. Never said anything about opposing looking into Thyr's interactions dude. I'm simply stating the obvious, we got fucking lucky with that lynch.
If you want to ignore what I actually said and twist my words, go ahead. I stand by everything I said before the train happened, considering what I had to go on. Obviously others saw something there that I didn't, but I still think we got lucky, and that's that.

Oh and as for what I said when I voted, that's pretty self explanatory. As I said before, one of the things we need to look at is who did and didn't vote for Thyr. If you want to read something else into that that isn't there, then that's your problem, not mine.

I have no problem with this. my apologies if I misunderstood your wording. From my perspective this read as opposition.


Ok so lets talk votes then, I will focus on those that have not managed to do so.

Firstly, Venesara and Gamelon have not voted for anyone since game-start. Venesara has had stints of activity, and pulled some votes. This is worth reading up on, and I will.

Hanas, the current trains target, voted for Osseric and then Okral Lom Day 1 However did not vote at all Day 2. This player also appeared for a bit before thyrs flood to defend themselves a little. they have been MIA since.

Fandaray did not vote Day 2 however they managed to land the 6th vote Day 1. I am not sure how this happened but I find it interesting they received Thyrllens one and only vote.



I'd like to hear from these players the most today.

[Aranatha]

Apology accepted Gait - shit happens in the heat of the game, no doubt.

I definitely wish the silent players would step up. It hurts the game when people are coasting. Makes me wonder how many scum we could possibly have in the game.

Question, could Thyr have been using his vote to distance himself from Fandaray? Or do we get into WIFOM territory.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

Really?
- We have a scum lynch and you fall back to "well, I still like my case from yesterday..."?

Yes, my case is still valid and Hanas is still missing. I had yet to go thru the thread to see what could be found.
Whats your problem, LOL. did I hit a nerve?

Quote

- You say there were efforts to push away from Thyrllan (I presume by scum) and you vote for one of target that was pushed as an alternative?

If its my own "target" that I spent time on compiling yesterday and is still perfectly valid then YES.
Hanas has yet to return are they hiding?...or busy.?

Quote

You voted about 10 times and I don't remember a single meaningful one, now you dilute the thread at an important time with your "re-read" spam, I mean, please read, process and come back with something more focused.

I voted 10 times?, lol IS THAT SO?... alight.
Have you bothered to re-read th thread? don't think you have.