[Skintick]

I back from communing with nature.

This must the busiest Night 2 convo I've read in a looooong time. The thirst for mafia-ing is real.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Skintick, on 15 May 2020 - 11:36 PM, said:

I back from communing with nature.

This must the busiest Night 2 convo I've read in a looooong time. The thirst for mafia-ing is real.

when the sun shines...make hey

[Aranatha]

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:16 PM, said:

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Not to mention, Sheltatha really wanted to wait for Thyrllan to come back and defend himself before the hammer. Doesn't look very good in hindsight. Were they planning on making some sort of reveal claim? Hmm.

Its standard practice, Noob.

Not always.

In as many games as have been played, lynching scum early happens less often than not. Our main focus should revolve around every single interaction Thyrllan had, those who did and didn't vote, when, and why.

We,for once, have some good information to go on. You wanting to wait to hear from someone who turned up scum doesn't look good. It's a fact in any setting of any game. We would be stupid not to examine it further.

Thyrllan received some early votes. We usually wait longer in the day to vote, after the most information is gleaned. I think this is something to look at from all angles and tread carefully with the findings.

This is only true because Thyr flipped scum. Had they flipped town, this kind of hammer would have been branded as way suspicious.
Only scum have the foresight to know how the lynch will turn out in advance.

Well obviously, that's exactly why it's so damning. If Thyr would've turned up town, then we wouldn't have reason to look so hard at it. That's the nature of the game.
Are you saying that Sheltatha can't be scum? Because you have no reason to be so sure. All I ask is that we look at the facts of what actually happened. Sheltatha didn't vote for Thyr. That's a fact. And he wanted to give him a chance to 'reveal' - he used the word 'reveal'. That's a fact. Anything else is just you being buddy buddy with Sheltatha.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 11:44 PM, said:

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:16 PM, said:

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Not to mention, Sheltatha really wanted to wait for Thyrllan to come back and defend himself before the hammer. Doesn't look very good in hindsight. Were they planning on making some sort of reveal claim? Hmm.

Its standard practice, Noob.

Not always.

In as many games as have been played, lynching scum early happens less often than not. Our main focus should revolve around every single interaction Thyrllan had, those who did and didn't vote, when, and why.

We,for once, have some good information to go on. You wanting to wait to hear from someone who turned up scum doesn't look good. It's a fact in any setting of any game. We would be stupid not to examine it further.

Thyrllan received some early votes. We usually wait longer in the day to vote, after the most information is gleaned. I think this is something to look at from all angles and tread carefully with the findings.

This is only true because Thyr flipped scum. Had they flipped town, this kind of hammer would have been branded as way suspicious.
Only scum have the foresight to know how the lynch will turn out in advance.

Well obviously, that's exactly why it's so damning. If Thyr would've turned up town, then we wouldn't have reason to look so hard at it. That's the nature of the game.
Are you saying that Sheltatha can't be scum? Because you have no reason to be so sure. All I ask is that we look at the facts of what actually happened. Sheltatha didn't vote for Thyr. That's a fact. And he wanted to give him a chance to 'reveal' - he used the word 'reveal'. That's a fact. Anything else is just you being buddy buddy with Sheltatha.

Its pretty common for roled townies to reveal before being lynched to provide everyone with what info they have.
I could say the exact same thing about the hammer vote taking that possibly valuable chance away from the thread.

luckily Thyr was scum.


if you want to take a most very common scenario and make it sound nefarious then so be it.


But...If I was scum...making a noise about to waiting for some fake reveal by my partner would be dumb...and why would I SAY IT ON THREAD?

the logic in this place is unbelievable.

[Aranatha]

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 11:51 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 11:44 PM, said:

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:16 PM, said:

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Not to mention, Sheltatha really wanted to wait for Thyrllan to come back and defend himself before the hammer. Doesn't look very good in hindsight. Were they planning on making some sort of reveal claim? Hmm.

Its standard practice, Noob.

Not always.

In as many games as have been played, lynching scum early happens less often than not. Our main focus should revolve around every single interaction Thyrllan had, those who did and didn't vote, when, and why.

We,for once, have some good information to go on. You wanting to wait to hear from someone who turned up scum doesn't look good. It's a fact in any setting of any game. We would be stupid not to examine it further.

Thyrllan received some early votes. We usually wait longer in the day to vote, after the most information is gleaned. I think this is something to look at from all angles and tread carefully with the findings.

This is only true because Thyr flipped scum. Had they flipped town, this kind of hammer would have been branded as way suspicious.
Only scum have the foresight to know how the lynch will turn out in advance.

Well obviously, that's exactly why it's so damning. If Thyr would've turned up town, then we wouldn't have reason to look so hard at it. That's the nature of the game.
Are you saying that Sheltatha can't be scum? Because you have no reason to be so sure. All I ask is that we look at the facts of what actually happened. Sheltatha didn't vote for Thyr. That's a fact. And he wanted to give him a chance to 'reveal' - he used the word 'reveal'. That's a fact. Anything else is just you being buddy buddy with Sheltatha.

Its pretty common for roled townies to reveal before being lynched to provide everyone with what info they have.
I could say the exact same thing about the hammer vote taking that possibly valuable chance away from the thread.

luckily Thyr was scum.


if you want to take a most very common scenario and make it sound nefarious then so be it.


But...If I was scum...making a noise about to waiting for some fake reveal by my partner would be dumb...and why would I SAY IT ON THREAD?

the logic in this place is unbelievable.

I'm not saying I know for sure what you are, obviously, but your reaction to the mere insinuation is head scratching to me. Don't be so fucking sensitive - Look around, take in the scenery. How many hats in the room?

[Tennes]

My point is that the 'waiting for Thyr looks scummy' argument is nonsense. There's nothing damning about waiting with the hammer for the person about to get lynched to speak up. It's a standard play. I encouraged Okral myself to speak up even when their lynch was already near certain on D1. If they flip scum, you can disregard what they said pre-hammer. If they flip town, you have more info on thread.

Tbh I find Prazec's refusal to wait much more damning. They've been around for a while, could have cast their vote at any point, and conveniently waited till L-1 to be sure they were the one to hammer.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 11:56 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 11:51 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 11:44 PM, said:

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:16 PM, said:

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Not to mention, Sheltatha really wanted to wait for Thyrllan to come back and defend himself before the hammer. Doesn't look very good in hindsight. Were they planning on making some sort of reveal claim? Hmm.

Its standard practice, Noob.

Not always.

In as many games as have been played, lynching scum early happens less often than not. Our main focus should revolve around every single interaction Thyrllan had, those who did and didn't vote, when, and why.

We,for once, have some good information to go on. You wanting to wait to hear from someone who turned up scum doesn't look good. It's a fact in any setting of any game. We would be stupid not to examine it further.

Thyrllan received some early votes. We usually wait longer in the day to vote, after the most information is gleaned. I think this is something to look at from all angles and tread carefully with the findings.

This is only true because Thyr flipped scum. Had they flipped town, this kind of hammer would have been branded as way suspicious.
Only scum have the foresight to know how the lynch will turn out in advance.

Well obviously, that's exactly why it's so damning. If Thyr would've turned up town, then we wouldn't have reason to look so hard at it. That's the nature of the game.
Are you saying that Sheltatha can't be scum? Because you have no reason to be so sure. All I ask is that we look at the facts of what actually happened. Sheltatha didn't vote for Thyr. That's a fact. And he wanted to give him a chance to 'reveal' - he used the word 'reveal'. That's a fact. Anything else is just you being buddy buddy with Sheltatha.

Its pretty common for roled townies to reveal before being lynched to provide everyone with what info they have.
I could say the exact same thing about the hammer vote taking that possibly valuable chance away from the thread.

luckily Thyr was scum.


if you want to take a most very common scenario and make it sound nefarious then so be it.

But...If I was scum...making a noise about to waiting for some fake reveal by my partner would be dumb...and why would I SAY IT ON THREAD?

the logic in this place is unbelievable.

I'm not saying I know for sure what you are, obviously, but your reaction to the mere insinuation is head scratching to me. Don't be so fucking sensitive - Look around, take in the scenery. How many hats in the room?

You don't think your insinuations aren't having me scratching my head?
You basically tried to right off the entire vote train as inno.


Am I now not allowed to question your agenda?
Am I not allowed to refute claims aimed at me?

Sorry for that... ill just sit in the corner and say nothing while the likes of you use WIFOM META arguments to further your fascination you have with my asshole.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:59 PM, said:

Tbh I find Prazec's refusal to wait much more damning. They've been around for a while, could have cast their vote at any point, and conveniently waited till L-1 to be sure they were the one to hammer.

exactly...it reeks of a scum resigned to knowing the guys done for, and wanting to get some last minute distancing in while he can.

[Aranatha]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 12:19 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 11:56 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 11:51 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 11:44 PM, said:

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:16 PM, said:

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Not to mention, Sheltatha really wanted to wait for Thyrllan to come back and defend himself before the hammer. Doesn't look very good in hindsight. Were they planning on making some sort of reveal claim? Hmm.

Its standard practice, Noob.

Not always.

In as many games as have been played, lynching scum early happens less often than not. Our main focus should revolve around every single interaction Thyrllan had, those who did and didn't vote, when, and why.

We,for once, have some good information to go on. You wanting to wait to hear from someone who turned up scum doesn't look good. It's a fact in any setting of any game. We would be stupid not to examine it further.

Thyrllan received some early votes. We usually wait longer in the day to vote, after the most information is gleaned. I think this is something to look at from all angles and tread carefully with the findings.

This is only true because Thyr flipped scum. Had they flipped town, this kind of hammer would have been branded as way suspicious.
Only scum have the foresight to know how the lynch will turn out in advance.

Well obviously, that's exactly why it's so damning. If Thyr would've turned up town, then we wouldn't have reason to look so hard at it. That's the nature of the game.
Are you saying that Sheltatha can't be scum? Because you have no reason to be so sure. All I ask is that we look at the facts of what actually happened. Sheltatha didn't vote for Thyr. That's a fact. And he wanted to give him a chance to 'reveal' - he used the word 'reveal'. That's a fact. Anything else is just you being buddy buddy with Sheltatha.

Its pretty common for roled townies to reveal before being lynched to provide everyone with what info they have.
I could say the exact same thing about the hammer vote taking that possibly valuable chance away from the thread.

luckily Thyr was scum.


if you want to take a most very common scenario and make it sound nefarious then so be it.

But...If I was scum...making a noise about to waiting for some fake reveal by my partner would be dumb...and why would I SAY IT ON THREAD?

the logic in this place is unbelievable.

I'm not saying I know for sure what you are, obviously, but your reaction to the mere insinuation is head scratching to me. Don't be so fucking sensitive - Look around, take in the scenery. How many hats in the room?

You don't think your insinuations aren't having me scratching my head?
You basically tried to right off the entire vote train as inno.


Am I now not allowed to question your agenda?
Am I not allowed to refute claims aimed at me?

Sorry for that... ill just sit in the corner and say nothing while the likes of you use WIFOM META arguments to further your fascination you have with my asshole.

Oh ffs

[Aranatha]

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:59 PM, said:

My point is that the 'waiting for Thyr looks scummy' argument is nonsense. There's nothing damning about waiting with the hammer for the person about to get lynched to speak up. It's a standard play. I encouraged Okral myself to speak up even when their lynch was already near certain on D1. If they flip scum, you can disregard what they said pre-hammer. If they flip town, you have more info on thread.

Tbh I find Prazec's refusal to wait much more damning. They've been around for a while, could have cast their vote at any point, and conveniently waited till L-1 to be sure they were the one to hammer.

If you want to play what ifs - by your logic, it's not damning since Thyr was scum. Ofcourse it would have been useful to get that info from Thyr, if he had some, but nobody is saying that waiting in itself is scummy. You still have to weigh the information pre hammer as you always do. My issue at the moment is that Sheltatha completely exploded when I simply said that he could be scum. Well fucking duh. Why do you keep defending Sheltatha like your life depended on it? I would very much like to know that.

[Fanderay]

Ruse, on 15 May 2020 - 08:15 PM, said:

Vote Thyrllan

As the most likely lynch candidate at this stage. I note that I am completely fine with this lynch because it was rather interesting how D1 attention moved away from him.

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

There's some really interesting divides going on about who is scummy or not, and that should give us some valuable information as to who is who once we get a lynch result. I'm really not excited about being on the same train as Tennes and gang, but Thyrrlan seems to be the only lynch option. Should be interesting to see who votes for him and who doesn't. Might aswell rip off the band aid.

remove vote
Vote Thyrllan

Edited: just to add the bold

Prazec Goul, on 15 May 2020 - 08:55 PM, said:

Screw it, I don’t think we’ll hear from him.

vote Thyr

IMO Prazec, Aranatha, and Ruse all deserve a close look. By that time the lynch was pretty solidly for Thyrllan, and there was an hour left. Ruse had the thing about D1 attention moving away from Thyrllan, which was kind of odd. I don't think there's much to look at there since if I recall correctly both of those votes were jokes. Aranatha didn't really say anything while voting. Their post was basically just saying that we'll get info from the lynch and saying they didn't like voting with Tennes. Prazec's post was last minute, and felt like a scum jumping on the train at the last minute.

[Aranatha]

Fanderay, on 16 May 2020 - 01:15 AM, said:

Aranatha didn't really say anything while voting. Their post was basically just saying that we'll get info from the lynch and saying they didn't like voting with Tennes.

At least I fucking voted, unlike you. LOL

I had said what I wanted about the train before that. No need to regurgitate into infinity. We needed the vote, that was it basically for me.

[Osseric]

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:16 PM, said:

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Not to mention, Sheltatha really wanted to wait for Thyrllan to come back and defend himself before the hammer. Doesn't look very good in hindsight. Were they planning on making some sort of reveal claim? Hmm.

Its standard practice, Noob.

Not always.

In as many games as have been played, lynching scum early happens less often than not. Our main focus should revolve around every single interaction Thyrllan had, those who did and didn't vote, when, and why.

We,for once, have some good information to go on. You wanting to wait to hear from someone who turned up scum doesn't look good. It's a fact in any setting of any game. We would be stupid not to examine it further.

Thyrllan received some early votes. We usually wait longer in the day to vote, after the most information is gleaned. I think this is something to look at from all angles and tread carefully with the findings.

This is only true because Thyr flipped scum. Had they flipped town, this kind of hammer would have been branded as way suspicious.
Only scum have the foresight to know how the lynch will turn out in advance.

You're stating the obvious, and missing the point.

[Osseric]

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 11:44 PM, said:

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:16 PM, said:

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

Not to mention, Sheltatha really wanted to wait for Thyrllan to come back and defend himself before the hammer. Doesn't look very good in hindsight. Were they planning on making some sort of reveal claim? Hmm.

Its standard practice, Noob.

Not always.

In as many games as have been played, lynching scum early happens less often than not. Our main focus should revolve around every single interaction Thyrllan had, those who did and didn't vote, when, and why.

We,for once, have some good information to go on. You wanting to wait to hear from someone who turned up scum doesn't look good. It's a fact in any setting of any game. We would be stupid not to examine it further.

Thyrllan received some early votes. We usually wait longer in the day to vote, after the most information is gleaned. I think this is something to look at from all angles and tread carefully with the findings.

This is only true because Thyr flipped scum. Had they flipped town, this kind of hammer would have been branded as way suspicious.
Only scum have the foresight to know how the lynch will turn out in advance.

Well obviously, that's exactly why it's so damning. If Thyr would've turned up town, then we wouldn't have reason to look so hard at it. That's the nature of the game.
Are you saying that Sheltatha can't be scum? Because you have no reason to be so sure. All I ask is that we look at the facts of what actually happened. Sheltatha didn't vote for Thyr. That's a fact. And he wanted to give him a chance to 'reveal' - he used the word 'reveal'. That's a fact. Anything else is just you being buddy buddy with Sheltatha.

I am not saying Sheltatha can't be scum. I was the one scrutinizing Sheltatha for possibly BEING scum, therefore quite the opposite.

[Osseric]

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 12:28 AM, said:

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:59 PM, said:

Tbh I find Prazec's refusal to wait much more damning. They've been around for a while, could have cast their vote at any point, and conveniently waited till L-1 to be sure they were the one to hammer.

exactly...it reeks of a scum resigned to knowing the guys done for, and wanting to get some last minute distancing in while he can.

We have a point of agreement at last.

[Gait]

Osseric, on 16 May 2020 - 01:42 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 12:28 AM, said:

Tennes, on 15 May 2020 - 11:59 PM, said:

Tbh I find Prazec's refusal to wait much more damning. They've been around for a while, could have cast their vote at any point, and conveniently waited till L-1 to be sure they were the one to hammer.

exactly...it reeks of a scum resigned to knowing the guys done for, and wanting to get some last minute distancing in while he can.

We have a point of agreement at last.

It does.

I thought so too.

Thyr rereads have been interesting. The timings around Thyrs activity tell us alot. Even more interesting are all the players that tried to defend them.

[Aranatha]

Gait, on 16 May 2020 - 04:41 AM, said:

The timings around Thyrs activity tell us alot.

I dunno. I'm really happy people decided to vote for Thyr and that we lynched him, but you can't say that it wasn't pure luck that we hit a scum with that train - the case against Thyr was flimsy at best. To try to bend something out of shape on that alone seems stupid to me. The biggest argument against is that scum would exercise distancing and would very likely not be seen defending a fellow scum. If anything they would try to ignore to a certain extent. Anyone that tries to come with any other reasoning is close to looking scummy to me.

[Gait]

Hmmmmmn

Aranatha, on 16 May 2020 - 05:04 AM, said:

Gait, on 16 May 2020 - 04:41 AM, said:

The timings around Thyrs activity tell us alot.

I dunno. I'm really happy people decided to vote for Thyr and that we lynched him, but you can't say that it wasn't pure luck that we hit a scum with that train - the case against Thyr was flimsy at best. To try to bend something out of shape on that alone seems stupid to me. The biggest argument against is that scum would exercise distancing and would very likely not be seen defending a fellow scum. If anything they would try to ignore to a certain extent. Anyone that tries to come with any other reasoning is close to looking scummy to me.

I don't agree with this. Thyrs activity was scummy from post 275-297. plain and simple.

I note Tennes, your day 1 prime candidate, was one of the most vocal players in disagreement with derailment.

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

[snip]

It is day 2. About 0 hours remaining.

19 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara.


2 votes Venesara:Okaros, Osseric
10 votes Thyrllan; Skintick, Jalan, Barghast, Gait, Tennes, Kilava, Kalse, Ruse, Aranatha, Prazec Goul
1 vote Fanderay; Thyrllan
2 votes Hanas; Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore

Players not voted; Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Prazec Goul, Venesara.

Thyrllan has been lynched. He was Peanutbutta and Scum

...and yet here they are jumping on the Thyrllen train fairly early.

In your switch from Bharghast to put thyr at L-1 you said this:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

There's some really interesting divides going on about who is scummy or not, and that should give us some valuable information as to who is who once we get a lynch result. I'm really not excited about being on the same train as Tennes and gang, but Thyrrlan seems to be the only lynch option. Should be interesting to see who votes for him and who doesn't. Might aswell rip off the band aid.

remove vote
Vote Thyrllan

Edited: just to add the bold

Seems weird to hear you oppose looking into Thyrs interactions now that they've turned up scum?

[Path-Shaper]

The three killers waited for Chris to get back from wherever he had gone. Missing the wheel man was always a pain in the ass. Then they saw the news. A man involved involved in a hit and run. Chris. Fuck. Well this just pissed them off. They all left the house in such a rush, Darren left his gloves behind.

They came upon the house nice and slow. Joe had seen this guy during one of his jogs. Eastern European if he guessed right. Lived alone. Should be easy. James had planned that they knock and wait for him to answer. Then just stab him to fuck. They knocked, he answered and saw the knife. He slammed the door but Darren caught it by the handle. He pushed and the others pushed past.

Karen and Jayne were still none the wise who these guys are. They called in forensics as usual but with so much blood and no body they didn't expect miracles.

Skintick is dead. They were Mentalist and RI.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 3. About 72 hours remaining.

17 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.




Players not voted; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.