[Okaros]

Focused approach? I'm sorry, how can I be more focused than investigating the four viable suspects for scum, which I have been doing this whole day? You know what I could have done? Just voted for you after you talked about Osseric's slip and left it at that. Do you think that would have been better? Would you personally have preferred that? Oh, but you've been very focused yourself, haven't you - after all, you've just named the ten or so different people you've looked at - sounds very focused to me...the only thing that focused you was Tennes voting for you, and it focused you on Tennes.


Why don't you, who have the luxury of only having to look at THREE players, convince me that Hanas is definitely the one we should be going for.

Edit: @ Gait

This post has been edited by Okaros: 29 May 2020 - 02:18 PM

[Barghast]

Okaros, on 29 May 2020 - 10:26 AM, said:

Tennes reveal to end of day was around 3:40pm to 4:10pm GMT.

- Kilava tends to start posting from about 4pm, with some posts early in the morning UK time (presumably their night time?). A handful of posts around 3pm-4pm also.

- Aranatha has posted at every single time in the day (!!!), but the majority of their posts come in UK night and late morning (9pm to 1am; 10am-1pm). Interestingly, their posting in the 3pm-4pm range has, as far as I can tell, ALWAYS been directly in response to someone talking about them rather than commenting on other things in the thread.

- Gait has posted much more in the 3pm-4pm range than the two above, but also tends to range quite widely, from around 5am to 10pm and then some early AM posts too (do you people sleep?!). Probably a greatest concentration of posts around lunchtime, just by eyeballing it.

- Hanas is by far the most consistent in their posting times: 9pm-10pm, and 10am-11am more often than not. The ONLY time they posted in the 3pm-4pm range was during the Tennes' reveal and switch to a failed Osseric lynch. Were it not for that I would have said they were the least likely to have been able to switch to Tennes on short notice

Aka can't discount any one, and can hardly rely on tell us who's more likely than the rest, my take

[Kilava]

I'm back

[Okaros]

Barghast, on 29 May 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

Okaros, on 29 May 2020 - 10:26 AM, said:

Tennes reveal to end of day was around 3:40pm to 4:10pm GMT.

- Kilava tends to start posting from about 4pm, with some posts early in the morning UK time (presumably their night time?). A handful of posts around 3pm-4pm also.

- Aranatha has posted at every single time in the day (!!!), but the majority of their posts come in UK night and late morning (9pm to 1am; 10am-1pm). Interestingly, their posting in the 3pm-4pm range has, as far as I can tell, ALWAYS been directly in response to someone talking about them rather than commenting on other things in the thread.

- Gait has posted much more in the 3pm-4pm range than the two above, but also tends to range quite widely, from around 5am to 10pm and then some early AM posts too (do you people sleep?!). Probably a greatest concentration of posts around lunchtime, just by eyeballing it.

- Hanas is by far the most consistent in their posting times: 9pm-10pm, and 10am-11am more often than not. The ONLY time they posted in the 3pm-4pm range was during the Tennes' reveal and switch to a failed Osseric lynch. Were it not for that I would have said they were the least likely to have been able to switch to Tennes on short notice

Aka can't discount any one, and can hardly rely on tell us who's more likely than the rest, my take

Indeed. I was really hoping that one of them would just never have appeared around that time the whole game.

[Barghast]

If Kilava's scum, why do they keep picking you as their main suspect, to be seen as too much of an ass to be scum? But if it's genuine, why ahven't hey once addressed the point of your fucking reveal?

[Gait]

Okaros, on 29 May 2020 - 02:18 PM, said:

Focused approach? I'm sorry, how can I be more focused than investigating the four viable suspects for scum, which I have been doing this whole day? You know what I could have done? Just voted for you after you talked about Osseric's slip and left it at that. Do you think that would have been better? Would you personally have preferred that? Oh, but you've been very focused yourself, haven't you - after all, you've just named the ten or so different people you've looked at - sounds very focused to me...the only thing that focused you was Tennes voting for you, and it focused you on Tennes.


Why don't you, who have the luxury of only having to look at THREE players, convince me that Hanas is definitely the one we should be going for.

Edit: @ Gait

Tennes had three different cases on me, I have only made one on them yet somehow this is my biggest thing? I barely cared about Tennes till I noticed how happy they seemed to PI Kalse. last time I checked that was a genuine concern.

Everyone else was looked at in the midst of new information.

Each day focused on one or two players.

In this day alone you have looked at everyone and made broad spectrum accusations on each based on just today's activity, it looks messier each time you guys do this.

Simplify the mess and look at the Trains for information.

If you can point to one player with Voting activity worse than Hanas then tell me, because thats what I am saying.

[Hanas]

I'm around very briefly thanks

[Hanas]

Gait, on 29 May 2020 - 02:40 PM, said:

If you can point to one player with Voting activity worse than Hanas then tell me, because thats what I am saying.

What is so bad about my voting? Genuine question.

[Hanas]

I see my thoughts on Aranatha are not widely shared. I will be back in a few hours and should be around shortly before end of day.

[Barghast]

Gait do your realise that if you're town you're in this with us? Because you're not playing like you are. Trust me we would very gladly lynch you, the reason why we hesitate is because unlike you we're not content with the chance that you turn up town and we say "well you were scummy af it's your fault we've done everything we could" and wash our hands off it. This is fucking retarded if you're town. Talking pure scumminess you're leading by fucking far.

[Hanas]

Barghast, on 29 May 2020 - 02:30 PM, said:

If Kilava's scum, why do they keep picking you as their main suspect, to be seen as too much of an ass to be scum? But if it's genuine, why ahven't hey once addressed the point of your fucking reveal?

I've given up trying to apply logic to Kilava because I just cant find it. There was a reveal of a known partnered role. If it was a fake reveal then 1-2 real roled people were there to dispute it (depending on modkill CF) - that didn't happen. That makes it, to my mind, a genuine reveal. Sure no coding but not the end of the world. Fanderay had very nice coding.

[Hanas]

Kilava, on 29 May 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

I'm back

Annnnnnnnnd?

[Barghast]

And someone need to fix teh fucing jump to page x feature, don't have time to crawl through 40 pages of this bs manually, will be on mostly sporadically until eod

[Kilava]

Okaros, on 29 May 2020 - 08:51 AM, said:

To correct something in Kilava’s post: Aranatha voted for Gait before I came on to swap to Gait, so they didn’t do it for my reason as I had not appeared to even make it yet (in fact you were arguing with Ara yesterday about how they were using a Hanas quote to swap to Gait, so how have you managed to forget that so quickly?)

actually that's my bad, I confused the order of your votes for hanas and ara (both of you). I thought that you posted your bit and switched before aranathat, it was like 3 fucking posts apart. MY BAD.

about hanas, that's still stands -- that's the point actually. both aranatha and I put votes on hanas presumably because of your analysis okaros. THAT is what I meant, suddenly analysis goes out the window and we're voting just to even things out, and that is where my confusion was.

Aranatha, on 29 May 2020 - 08:59 AM, said:

Kilava, on 29 May 2020 - 08:38 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 28 May 2020 - 10:14 PM, said:

Not that long time left, and how is getting some extra time to think things over bad for town exactly? I've been clear with why I did what I did. But you're allowed to do whatever you want man, just make sure you're not being stupid on purpose.

I realize you gave a reason after the fact - and yes technically your actions did even out votes - I think the problem is that if you were really concerned about slowing down the trains to benefit town, you wouldn't have jumped directly to another train. You'd just remove vote, that stops/slows any train.

Instead you went after gait for presumably the case okaros made. So I see why it is hard to buy the extra time for town excuse

No it wasn't after the fact - I stated in the post where I changed that I realized it was going too fast. I wasn't considering the speed at first, simple as that. I had many reasons for voting for Gait - slowing down the day was only one of those reasons. As town strategies goes - putting pressure on the opposite train when one train seemingly speeds up for no reason partly to see who will protest - which I think worked out as intended. Doesn't give any definitive results, but it's a start.

OK fine

oh look, someone questioned your methods when you were switching votes too fast and so you explained that you wanted a reaction and got one, and here I am getting a reaction from you. this post actually reads well to me, and you don't see me voting for either you or okaros, do you?

Aranatha, on 29 May 2020 - 09:01 AM, said:

Btw my vote made the trains 2-2 and I'm not responsible for anyone voting after me.

i said this... feels like I'm on mute or something.

[Barghast]

Hanas, on 29 May 2020 - 02:50 PM, said:

Barghast, on 29 May 2020 - 02:30 PM, said:

If Kilava's scum, why do they keep picking you as their main suspect, to be seen as too much of an ass to be scum? But if it's genuine, why ahven't hey once addressed the point of your fucking reveal?

I've given up trying to apply logic to Kilava because I just cant find it.

Yes but the giving up makes it impossible to tell whether they're scum or not, and the question for me is if it's really genuine adn as retarded as it seems or a scum ploy

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 6. 3 hours 10 minutes remaining.

8 players left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Hanas, Kilava, Venesara. 

5 votes to lynch.

3 votes for Gait; Fanderay, Aranatha, Okaros
1 votes Hanas; Gait
1 vote Aranatha; Hanas


Players not voted; Barghast, Kilava, Venesara.

[Gait]

Barghast, on 29 May 2020 - 02:46 PM, said:

Gait do your realise that if you're town you're in this with us? Because you're not playing like you are. Trust me we would very gladly lynch you, the reason why we hesitate is because unlike you we're not content with the chance that you turn up town and we say "well you were scummy af it's your fault we've done everything we could" and wash our hands off it. This is fucking retarded if you're town. Talking pure scumminess you're leading by fucking far.

Fuck off.

I mean it sincerely.

I am done trying to help you idiots. When I try its oh but this is what you did so screw these reads, screw this involvement, screw these votes and screw these cases. You lead the scumminess quota so thats that. I'd be happy to be voted off. Town play has been abysmal but its my case everyones been riding on since D2.

You say we in this together like it means something. No one here sees past the mistakes both scum and vigs are willing to die on.

If thats all it takes to fool you into ignoring evidence on the Vote trains we deserve to lose and thats all I plan to say about that.

I'll leave you guys to it.

[Okaros]

Remove Vote

Vote Hanas


If Gait is scum, at least they had to lower themselves to crying about the futility of their existence.

[Okaros]

1) Hanas is scum and the game carries on - great, let's find the other one!

2) Hanas is scum and the game ends - even better!

3) Hanas is town and the game ends - well that was a lot of scum left to deal with, guess we really suck, but at least the game is over.

4) Hanas is town and the game carries on - most likely only one killer left alive and one of Osseric or Gamelon was a killer (because Hanas' lynch would eliminate everyone - aside from me - not on Thyr's train from the reckoning, meaning the other option is that all three killers were on Thyr's train, which I find implausible.

[Barghast]

Yeah leaning towards Hanas and Aranatha as my main suspects

Hanas nothing new to say about

Aranatha I can in hindsight see easily as a killer using the continuus spat with Shel to hide behind it, their starting he game with "100% SURE TENNES IS SCUM" would make sure they're defeinitely not viewed as trying to stay average or careful or clean. Their vote on Thyr was dodgy, as at least one other scum would want to be on the train I'd wager. And the same tendency would help explain the pile up on Hanas. Currently they're willing to vote any other of the suspects with no apparent hard preference, which does imo look scummy cause scum would definitely want to distance now.

The distribution of their votes on Thyr train would also fit the statistical probability.