[Tennes]

Hm. Their late hammer on Okral smelled to me but to be honest I find their concerns at the end of D3 reasonable, even though I preferred a Ruse lynch myself.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Okaros, on 25 May 2020 - 10:01 AM, said:

Just read through Hanas in full for the first time - there's a good amount of posts there but hardly any saying anything worth saying, almost nothing substantial. The most substantive post is one in which they defend their own (late) vote on Okral. They were also the most hesitant to switch from Rikkter to Ruse. Now both turned out town, but where their worry came from was in not getting any lynch at all by trying to do a mass switch late in the day. This was also their justification for voting for Okral when it wasn't needed (they hate failed lynches and wanted to make sure).

So I'd be happy to vote for Hanas also.

Ive already made a case against Hanas and have not seen much of anything from them to change my mind.

[Barghast]

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 May 2020 - 10:47 AM, said:

Okaros, on 25 May 2020 - 10:01 AM, said:

Just read through Hanas in full for the first time - there's a good amount of posts there but hardly any saying anything worth saying, almost nothing substantial. The most substantive post is one in which they defend their own (late) vote on Okral. They were also the most hesitant to switch from Rikkter to Ruse. Now both turned out town, but where their worry came from was in not getting any lynch at all by trying to do a mass switch late in the day. This was also their justification for voting for Okral when it wasn't needed (they hate failed lynches and wanted to make sure).

So I'd be happy to vote for Hanas also.

Ive already made a case against Hanas and have not seen much of anything from them to change my mind.

Before Hanas posted their post-hammer hammer the thought of doing the same also corssed my mind so never saw that as scummy

And the main reasoning for your case, iirc, was my "casual defence" of them in a certain post, which wasn't even defence, I just mentioned that Rikkter's vote on them looked suspicious.

So I don't think there's that much of a real case, but they're obviously coasting heavily, but from my read of lowposters I really had hard time discerning between their plays (at the time I tended to overlook Osserc altogether because he's nonexistent even by lowposter standards). Also Fanderay imo has more of a presence on thread than all of them even with mere 14 (even Osserc has 50% more) posts, but that will be a courtesy of being online before eod's multiple times, which basically is a good thing but hardly unsuspicious.

[Path-Shaper]

Hi all, been super busy. I'll give an extension on clock. I'll check votes and update very soon.

[Barghast]

Barghast, on 25 May 2020 - 11:01 AM, said:

Also Fanderay imo has more of a presence on thread than all of them even with mere 14 (even Osserc has 50% more) posts, but that will be a courtesy of being online before eod's multiple times, which basically is a good thing but hardly unsuspicious.

On the other end of this spectrum stands Okaros who I tend to forget is even playing despite having the most posts of lowposters. Also talks town roles on multiple occasions, would find it scummy but I also find it rather unnecessary at this point if it's scum behaviour. And the tendency to summarise stuff, like the post a few above, without adding much of his own thoughts seems to be preeminent in his play and the main reason he's so insubstantial.

[Okaros]

Barghast, on 25 May 2020 - 11:01 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 May 2020 - 10:47 AM, said:

Okaros, on 25 May 2020 - 10:01 AM, said:

Just read through Hanas in full for the first time - there's a good amount of posts there but hardly any saying anything worth saying, almost nothing substantial. The most substantive post is one in which they defend their own (late) vote on Okral. They were also the most hesitant to switch from Rikkter to Ruse. Now both turned out town, but where their worry came from was in not getting any lynch at all by trying to do a mass switch late in the day. This was also their justification for voting for Okral when it wasn't needed (they hate failed lynches and wanted to make sure).

So I'd be happy to vote for Hanas also.

Ive already made a case against Hanas and have not seen much of anything from them to change my mind.

Before Hanas posted their post-hammer hammer the thought of doing the same also corssed my mind so never saw that as scummy

And the main reasoning for your case, iirc, was my "casual defence" of them in a certain post, which wasn't even defence, I just mentioned that Rikkter's vote on them looked suspicious.

So I don't think there's that much of a real case, but they're obviously coasting heavily, but from my read of lowposters I really had hard time discerning between their plays (at the time I tended to overlook Osserc altogether because he's nonexistent even by lowposter standards). Also Fanderay imo has more of a presence on thread than all of them even with mere 14 (even Osserc has 50% more) posts, but that will be a courtesy of being online before eod's multiple times, which basically is a good thing but hardly unsuspicious.

Choosing between the low posters is essentially going to be a crap shoot. We might get lucky with the result or we might not. That's why I'm minded to vote on either Gait or Tennes today, because at least there'll be something tangible to base that vote off of.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4. 4 hours remaining.

11 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.


2 votes Tennes; Sheltatha, Aranatha
2 votes Osseric: Barghast, Tennes

Players not voted; Fanderay, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Venesara.

[Barghast]

Your thoguhts on the two of them then?

[Okaros]

Barghast, on 25 May 2020 - 11:10 AM, said:

Barghast, on 25 May 2020 - 11:01 AM, said:

Also Fanderay imo has more of a presence on thread than all of them even with mere 14 (even Osserc has 50% more) posts, but that will be a courtesy of being online before eod's multiple times, which basically is a good thing but hardly unsuspicious.

On the other end of this spectrum stands Okaros who I tend to forget is even playing despite having the most posts of lowposters. Also talks town roles on multiple occasions, would find it scummy but I also find it rather unnecessary at this point if it's scum behaviour. And the tendency to summarise stuff, like the post a few above, without adding much of his own thoughts seems to be preeminent in his play and the main reason he's so insubstantial.

I wouldn't classify myself as a low poster I feel like I've been adding a lot of my own thoughts, but I have been pretty careful with my vote as well. And when I talked about town roles I did so very directly and overtly, and I still think that that suggestion has merit, but it was turned down by everyone who bothered to respond so I didn't pursue it.

[Barghast]

Okaros, on 25 May 2020 - 11:14 AM, said:

And when I talked about town roles I did so very directly and overtly

That's true and why I find it less scummy than I potentially could

[Okaros]

Barghast, on 25 May 2020 - 11:13 AM, said:

Your thoguhts on the two of them then?

Ok, Tennes has been pointing and leading the thread for most of the game, much less padding to their posts than say, Sheltatha or Aranatha (their high counts owe much to their sniping at each other). Tennes does with hindsight very much look like they attempted to divert the vote away from Thyr - I think there are more solid parts to Rikkter's case than Tennes' easy dismissal of it suggests. Their read of Kalse, which they did alongside...Jalan and Rikkter I think it was? was also quite wishy-washy and can certainly be interpreted as distancing while also not trying to draw too much attention to Kalse (i.e. "here's someone who's playing too clean, but maybe they're just a good player"). The speed with which they came out with that Gait case and vote following Kalse's death also pinged alarms. Tennes has pointed a lot of fingers every which way, which, on the other hand, you could say is testament to a diligent town.

The case against Gait would be much more obvious. They tend to slip and slide and make mistakes - is it sloppy or deliberate misreading which is then called out? At times, they look like they're suggesting future lynches to set up before the previous one is even done. They were very quick to leap on to Rikkter's case against Tennes and, without giving any concrete thoughts of their own about Rikkter's case, just 'apply pressure' with their vote. I also don't appreciate their absence so far today, which just feels like someone keeping quiet behind the scenes as the votes build up on Tennes.

[Gait]

Okaros, on 25 May 2020 - 11:24 AM, said:

Barghast, on 25 May 2020 - 11:13 AM, said:

Your thoguhts on the two of them then?

Ok, Tennes has been pointing and leading the thread for most of the game, much less padding to their posts than say, Sheltatha or Aranatha (their high counts owe much to their sniping at each other). Tennes does with hindsight very much look like they attempted to divert the vote away from Thyr - I think there are more solid parts to Rikkter's case than Tennes' easy dismissal of it suggests. Their read of Kalse, which they did alongside...Jalan and Rikkter I think it was? was also quite wishy-washy and can certainly be interpreted as distancing while also not trying to draw too much attention to Kalse (i.e. "here's someone who's playing too clean, but maybe they're just a good player"). The speed with which they came out with that Gait case and vote following Kalse's death also pinged alarms. Tennes has pointed a lot of fingers every which way, which, on the other hand, you could say is testament to a diligent town.

The case against Gait would be much more obvious. They tend to slip and slide and make mistakes - is it sloppy or deliberate misreading which is then called out? At times, they look like they're suggesting future lynches to set up before the previous one is even done. They were very quick to leap on to Rikkter's case against Tennes and, without giving any concrete thoughts of their own about Rikkter's case, just 'apply pressure' with their vote. I also don't appreciate their absence so far today, which just feels like someone keeping quiet behind the scenes as the votes build up on Tennes.

I'm around.

but I observe my presence and activity is not credit worthy so i'll just vote when time comes to vote and I'll leave the perfect arguments to you and Tennes.

[Okaros]

Who's more likely to be scum?

The one who voted for Thyr when there were 4 votes on both Thyr and Venesara?

Or the one who started cracking under a little pressure on day 1 which was started by a vote on them by Kalse?

[Barghast]

Gait was 3rd vote on Thyr

Which is a big point to overlook when mentioning Tennes' vote

[Barghast]

*4th

[Gait]

Okaros, on 25 May 2020 - 11:31 AM, said:

Who's more likely to be scum?

The one who voted for Thyr when there were 4 votes on both Thyr and Venesara?

Or the one who started cracking under a little pressure on day 1 which was started by a vote on them by Kalse?

Thats an interesting overlook...

[Okaros]

Vote Tennes


I'm just a bit more convinced of it than for Gait, and, being honest with myself, I have probably been so for some time.

[Gait]

still I think a vote on either Tennes on myself deserves a resolution and I welcome either. Thats all I will say.

Please continue.

[Barghast]

Gait, on 25 May 2020 - 11:31 AM, said:

Barghast, on 25 May 2020 - 11:13 AM, said:

Your thoguhts on the two of them then?

I'm around.

but I observe my presence and activity is not credit worthy

What

[Okaros]

lol - I did forget about when Gait voted for Thyrllan, but actually that is worth mentioning for a slightly different reason than you bring up. Gait also could be argued to distance from Thyr - "Thyrllens only real wrong has been absence but on review there were atleast 4 other players in that exact same category." Then Tennes has a go at them for pushing derailment and Gait ups and switches over to Thyr, saying that their latest batch of posts did not convince them. One might again suggest it shows someone swaying under pressure. However: here's what then swings me away from that - Shel votes on Thyr but does not remove their original vote first. Gait reminds them to do it.