[Prazec Goul]

Sheltatha Lore, on 21 May 2020 - 11:47 AM, said:

Barghast, on 21 May 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

Absence of both Prazec and Ruse is uh notable

Osseric too

No it isn’t. I was asleep and I posted my case before going to bed.

[Prazec Goul]

Prazec Goul, on 21 May 2020 - 01:25 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 21 May 2020 - 11:47 AM, said:

Barghast, on 21 May 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

Absence of both Prazec and Ruse is uh notable

Osseric too

No it isn’t. I was asleep and I posted my case before going to bed.

Edit: oops I’m dead!

[Kilava]

hello I am back

[Kilava]

wow everything happened in the five hours I was asleep, jeez. that was like another five pages on top of 25.

I hate missing out

[Osseric]

Work has had it's clutches on me. We are trying to recover from being out for so long due to the Covid stuff.

Filthy low poster popping in.

[Okaros]

Well, I think we can assume from PS' post that the vigs have now shot their load - 50% success rate is certainly not bad and they did remove a potential talking point for today. And it does I think make it more likely that one of Tennes and Gait is scum. I've got a couple of avenues I want to follow up on so it's back to the old reread grind!

[Okaros]

I would also, in an ideal world, like to see Hanas, Fanderay, Osseric, Kilava, and Venesara step up their games and post some thoughts.

[Okaros]

I had some thoughts about the vigs, might as well share. I say this knowing I might get some flak for it, but I think that it is worth discussing.

Proposal:

If the vig partners (I assume that's what they are) are both alive and have ways to prove who they are, they should reveal themselves now that they've blown their load, and so diminish our pool of likely suspects.

Counter-proposal:

Don't do this, because if there is another healer left rather than a BP, you also diminish the success of that individual hiding from NKs.

Possible solution:

Only reveal if we start barking up a totally wrong tree, like going after one of the vigs. The downside of this solution is that we possibly waste many hours doing just that.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Okaros, on 22 May 2020 - 11:14 AM, said:

I had some thoughts about the vigs, might as well share. I say this knowing I might get some flak for it, but I think that it is worth discussing.

Proposal:

If the vig partners (I assume that's what they are) are both alive and have ways to prove who they are, they should reveal themselves now that they've blown their load, and so diminish our pool of likely suspects.

Counter-proposal:

Don't do this, because if there is another healer left rather than a BP, you also diminish the success of that individual hiding from NKs.

Possible solution:

Only reveal if we start barking up a totally wrong tree, like going after one of the vigs. The downside of this solution is that we possibly waste many hours doing just that.

Since we don't know the details behind the roles and how they work exactly, I would prefer to leave it up to the players themselves to decide when or IF it's best to do any of the stuff you mention.

They would know best what to do and when to do it.

[Sheltatha Lore]

For me I cant seem to shake the fact that it was so hard to get a Lynch yesterday.

Scum have at least a 2 man voting block...perhaps more if we have a symp.
I would be inlined to go for either Tennes or Gait today simply because of this fact.

I'll kick it off.


Vote Tennes


Im interested to see what others feel about this, there was a lot that happened yesterday that people have come on and said that they are catching up and not said a damn thing about any of it since.

[Barghast]

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2020 - 11:41 AM, said:

Okaros, on 22 May 2020 - 11:14 AM, said:

I had some thoughts about the vigs, might as well share. I say this knowing I might get some flak for it, but I think that it is worth discussing.

Proposal:

If the vig partners (I assume that's what they are) are both alive and have ways to prove who they are, they should reveal themselves now that they've blown their load, and so diminish our pool of likely suspects.

Counter-proposal:

Don't do this, because if there is another healer left rather than a BP, you also diminish the success of that individual hiding from NKs.

Possible solution:

Only reveal if we start barking up a totally wrong tree, like going after one of the vigs. The downside of this solution is that we possibly waste many hours doing just that.

Since we don't know the details behind the roles and how they work exactly, I would prefer to leave it up to the players themselves to decide when or IF it's best to do any of the stuff you mention.

They would know best what to do and when to do it.

Yeah no value in open town role spec for town

[Barghast]

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2020 - 11:49 AM, said:

For me I cant seem to shake the fact that it was so hard to get a Lynch yesterday.

Scum have at least a 2 man voting block...perhaps more if we have a symp.
I would be inlined to go for either Tennes or Gait today simply because of this fact.

I'll kick it off.


Vote Tennes


Im interested to see what others feel about this, there was a lot that happened yesterday that people have come on and said that they are catching up and not said a damn thing about any of it since.

Tennes's case on Gait looks scummier in the light of Ruse's and Prazec's CFs, if he knew both would CF inno he'd know he could make use of some kinda case/voting setup prepared before this gets heated instead of a later situation where he could find himself under more serious suspicion or whatnot

[Sheltatha Lore]

For me it boils down to the fact that Tennes had the most votes on them and when it came down to the frantic Lynch fest at the end it somehow moved over the Prazec.
Now I am well aware I was part of that derailment for pushing on Prazec and ruse instead... But I know I am not scum and i'm sitting here wondering how that ended up being such a difficult and frantic end to the day.
...seeing Prazec and Ruse both CF inno its changed my thinking slightly.

I cant help but think one of Gait or Tennes had some back up somewhere.
Ofcourse it could just be that there was a whole lot if paranoid innos discussing lynching other innos and the scum was just sitting on the wings laughing at our indecision.

[Barghast]

Thing is we just didn't have the number of online players to get a lynch, there was only 6 of us, which means if we wanted to lynch one of those, we needed 2 additional votes, and there were only a few votes placed by players who were not online

Also the eod was in the morning for NA players, as opposed to I think all the previous eods being later

Also, every living player who can be considered active was among the 6 players, the rest depends on low posters and in their case it's hard to tell the reason for their absence because they're... absent all the time

And the two players who almost always showed up before eod to help lynching the likeliest lynch were Ruse and Prazec

So I'm not saying there wasn't resistance, but there are quite a few circumstances which make it hard to tell, particularly half the pople alive being complete lowposters

[Sheltatha Lore]

Barghast, on 22 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Thing is we just didn't have the number of online players to get a lynch, there was only 6 of us, which means if we wanted to lynch one of those, we needed 2 additional votes, and there were only a few votes placed by players who were not online

Also the eod was in the morning for NA players, as opposed to I think all the previous eods being later

Also, every living player who can be considered active was among the 6 players, the rest depends on low posters and in their case it's hard to tell the reason for their absence because they're... absent all the time

And the two players who almost always showed up before eod to help lynching the likeliest lynch were Ruse and Prazec

So I'm not saying there wasn't resistance, but there are quite a few circumstances which make it hard to tell, particularly half the pople alive being complete lowposters

I fully get it yea.., I was there, I was well aware of the lack of bodies available at the time. And how it was a panic because of it.

Cant help thinking that it doesnt mean that the people that came on later to help simply weren't biding their time either.
Also the the case on Tennes and Gait was very early on day 3 and it stagnated for two days till the mad rush.

Having said that, Im happy with my vote...I want to see what people think of the day yesterday. As most of it was about Gait vs Tennes.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Back to weekend now so I guess we gonna be getting a huge break till Monday again.

[Okaros]

Barghast, on 22 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Thing is we just didn't have the number of online players to get a lynch, there was only 6 of us, which means if we wanted to lynch one of those, we needed 2 additional votes, and there were only a few votes placed by players who were not online

Also the eod was in the morning for NA players, as opposed to I think all the previous eods being later

Also, every living player who can be considered active was among the 6 players, the rest depends on low posters and in their case it's hard to tell the reason for their absence because they're... absent all the time

And the two players who almost always showed up before eod to help lynching the likeliest lynch were Ruse and Prazec

So I'm not saying there wasn't resistance, but there are quite a few circumstances which make it hard to tell, particularly half the pople alive being complete lowposters

This is the problem with 48-hour, rather than 36-hour days - timeout will always be difficult for the same region and group of players.

[Okaros]

This summary by Tennes on day 1 certainly leans me towards voting for them, but there's still a ton of the thread left for me to go through.

Tennes, on 14 May 2020 - 08:59 PM, said:

tl;dr of my re-read and summary of my thoughts so far:

Prazec and Ruse still stand out as the scummiest to me. I'm happy with my vote and I don't believe one bit that Prazec randomly just switched from writing Okral to Okaros. If Prazec flips scum, Okaros is their partner.

Gait and Barghast are pushing the idea that a Thyr train was derailed on D1 but didn't investigate that derailment at all. Rikkter, who started the Okral train, didn't even get a mention from them so far.

Kalse's case on Venesara sounds good. Ven would be my third choice at the moment after Prazec and Ruse. Kalse has been playing a game so clean my gut almost tells me it's too clean.

Thyr is a coaster but the D1 'train' was literally two semi-joking votes, so the whole derailment things sounds blown out of proportion.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Okaros, on 22 May 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

This summary by Tennes on day 1 certainly leans me towards voting for them, but there's still a ton of the thread left for me to go through.

Tennes, on 14 May 2020 - 08:59 PM, said:

tl;dr of my re-read and summary of my thoughts so far:

Prazec and Ruse still stand out as the scummiest to me. I'm happy with my vote and I don't believe one bit that Prazec randomly just switched from writing Okral to Okaros. If Prazec flips scum, Okaros is their partner.

Gait and Barghast are pushing the idea that a Thyr train was derailed on D1 but didn't investigate that derailment at all. Rikkter, who started the Okral train, didn't even get a mention from them so far.

Kalse's case on Venesara sounds good. Ven would be my third choice at the moment after Prazec and Ruse. Kalse has been playing a game so clean my gut almost tells me it's too clean.

Thyr is a coaster but the D1 'train' was literally two semi-joking votes, so the whole derailment things sounds blown out of proportion.

This is copy pasta from my "notes' on that post:



Here Tennes summarises.
He correctly points out that the people who started the Thyrllan derail discussion have seemed to backed off suddenly after voted on Thyr appeared.
(Not that Bargy has actually returned, Gait had and actively did a 180 after two quick voted on Thyr)
Not sure what to make of it.

But then Tennes praises Kalse and his play again…would scum do that so brazenly to a partner?
His very next line he then dismisses the other scum Thyr.

That would be some real shitty obvious play by scum if you ask me. (Or galaxy brain play, knowing I would think this was too good to be true if when revueing later)4

[Barghast]

Sheltatha Lore, on 22 May 2020 - 01:58 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Thing is we just didn't have the number of online players to get a lynch, there was only 6 of us, which means if we wanted to lynch one of those, we needed 2 additional votes, and there were only a few votes placed by players who were not online

Also the eod was in the morning for NA players, as opposed to I think all the previous eods being later

Also, every living player who can be considered active was among the 6 players, the rest depends on low posters and in their case it's hard to tell the reason for their absence because they're... absent all the time

And the two players who almost always showed up before eod to help lynching the likeliest lynch were Ruse and Prazec

So I'm not saying there wasn't resistance, but there are quite a few circumstances which make it hard to tell, particularly half the pople alive being complete lowposters

I fully get it yea.., I was there, I was well aware of the lack of bodies available at the time. And how it was a panic because of it.

Cant help thinking that it doesnt mean that the people that came on later to help simply weren't biding their time either.
Also the the case on Tennes and Gait was very early on day 3 and it stagnated for two days till the mad rush.

Having said that, Im happy with my vote...I want to see what people think of the day yesterday. As most of it was about Gait vs Tennes.

I'm definitely not talking you out of it

The Gait vs Tennes thing goes back to D2, where Gait repeatedly throws suspicion at Thyr saying it looks like the D1 train on him looks like it was derailed, while Tennes calls him out for never looking at the people who derailed and Gait responds that he's not really pushing the derailment narrative (which was untrue, but I also kinda get that Gait was saying it didn't necessarily have to be a full on derailment and I was in a similar bag as he was)

Or we can go even further back to when Kalse joke voted Gait for being signalled by Okral, Gait goes on to correct them he's not singalling, which completely missed the point, then Gait has to explain himself in 3 posts and that's when Tennes got his hard on first

Thing to take into consideration here, Gait already had scrambling tendencies when voted by Kalse for example, which if they were partners would have been uncalled for

I've said before Gait has a laid back approach, and he apparently does get nervous whenever his safe zone is threatened, but I'm not convinced it's that scummy, I'd expect if he was scum he'd be more guarded about losing his cool like that every time.

That aside Tennes is spot on in most of the inconsistencies he calls out about Gait, but that doesn't make him right, problem I have with him is all the arguments regarding their scumminess boil down to wifom, which is a good thing for scum as then there aren't many real arguments to be said against you. So in this light I can easily imagine Tennes to have played either a scum or town game so far, and he remains on the reasonable side of things, but then his initial D3 case against Gait I view as weak, and the rest is all about Gait scrambling (which makes me view Gait in a similar light in which I saw Rikkter). None of the cases on Tennes convince me either, but that's again because all the argumetns I deem most indicative are wifom.

Gait also reads as if a little loose with his wordings, and as someone who relies on gut more than he lets show (don't we all) and kinda tries to make his arguments fit his gut vision knowing the arguments are not perfect, hence lacking confidence in the arguments themselves. Which also could be put in a way to make it look much scummier.