Slow Ben, on 22 October 2019 - 12:22 PM, said:
Silencer, on 22 October 2019 - 06:06 AM, said:
worry, on 22 October 2019 - 05:28 AM, said:
Yikes! What did Apt say that was inaccurate or over the line? All of those things are undeniably true, at least here in the U.S., including the thing about Nico. He literally posted a GAI (Government Accountability Institute) link a week or two ago in there. That's the far right conspiracist 'think tank' Steve Bannon and Pete Schweizer -- both either former or current leadership at Breitbart -- founded together. Schweizer currently pulls double duty as editor of Breitbart and president of GAI, and the far right Mercer oligarch family funds it. Nico literally gets his information from cesspools like Breitbart, and posts it here. That's not a personal attack, it's a fact. If it was the profanity, on the other hand, I apologize for my presumption. I'm not fond of it myself.
You lot need to stop dog piling on people and dismissing their points out of hand.
"points"Maybe its because you don't live in the US, but the constant stream of gaslighting and bullshit is tiresome. And the last place I want to see it is on one of the few places on the internet I love. If someone wants to discuss a political view that differs from most of the board, that would be awesome. Healthy discussion is great. But alt right bullshit is not a point, and deserves none of our time or effort.
Obdigore, on 22 October 2019 - 12:34 PM, said:
Oh look, the forum admins are demanding that everyone give equal time and respect to people who literally are using a gish gallop (
https://en.wikipedia...iki/Gish_gallop), then running away and not responding.And instead of banning the troll doing this, they decide to lock threads where people are sick of their lies and hatred?That seems... well... you do you I guess.Protip - Silencer, all your posts about how 'both sides have points' should go on here
https://www.reddit.c...HTENEDCENTRISM/
Or, perhaps, because I don't live in the US I'm less likely to be blinded by my own personal stake in affairs and have watched as, over time, any dissenting viewpoint has been crushed by a cavalcade of dismissive comments? Note, not informative, reasoned responses that logically demonstrate why the opposing
viewpoint is wrong, but literally the same broad strokes painting an entire group of people with one brush that only reflects the worst possible version of their position. Now, I could be snarky and link to a well known fallacy about this, but it's been a long enough day already without me actively engaging in talking down to you.
False balance is not the issue here. If you believe something is not a genuine opinion being held by the other member,
you don't need to address it. You are most welcome to click the report button if you believe someone is trolling. In fact, one of the parts of our Code of Conduct is "do not respond to any baiting". So I guess the fact that you're all responding instead of ignoring it or using the report button means you find it genuine?
Also, neither Brujah nor Worry "used a gish gallop then ran away and didn't respond". So, Obdi, you might want to get off your own high horse and actually look at the posts that have led to the current locking of said thread, 'coz it had nothing to do with everyone's favourite prepper.
@Slow Ben - the few times any of our members have expressed a different viewpoint (and not one that crosses into caricature, mind you) they've been all but accused of being Nazis. So if it's reasoned discussion you want, maybe help the forum slow it's roll from becoming an echo chamber that crushes everyone different or assumes the worst on the other side, and actually engage people in good faith before they get swarmed?
And, for your own reference, it's not like the news out of the US isn't exhausting or infuriating for the rest of us who find the current administration reprehensible. But what is possibly more worrying is seeing that anger at the current situation being vented here, at our members, without consideration of nuance or intention. I'd also suggest that maybe if it's having that much of an impact on you, frequenting the US Politics thread may not be good for you. Not that I'm suggesting you disengage, it's more important now than ever that people in the US advocate for positive change, but taking time out from politics to look after your own sanity is also perfectly reasonable.
For the record, refusing to acknowledge that anyone with a different opinion from you can have a "point", is exactly the problem. You have both immediately assumed that what we are talking about is the worst position possible. We're not telling you to agree with, or tolerate, holocaust denial, racism, sexism, or other bigotry. Heck, the administration hasn't actually decided yet what we ARE going to do about this, as I noted upthread. But maybe, just maybe, when someone comes on the board and expresses an opinion, "don't jump down their throats and lump them in with Nazis, go off on the same rant you've done six different times in the last month about systemic oppression being the only thing that matters and how looking in the direction of a Trump supporter with less than outright hatred is the same as voting for the man", and you miiiiiiiiiiiiight be getting closer to the position we're advocating.
Or, you know, keep doing what you're doing and proving my point. Whatever floats your boat.