[Khellendros]

Ok Tatts, what have we decided? You haven’t got back to me as yet.

[Jazzarm]

Imperial Historian, on 06 November 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

Strong tech start by the L1! 6 techs by the end of the 3rd round is pretty impressive.

Universities of L1Z1X is open for business! Would anyone like to buy a Research Agreement?

[ToasTer86]

Jazzarm, on 06 November 2019 - 01:03 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 06 November 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

Strong tech start by the L1! 6 techs by the end of the 3rd round is pretty impressive.

Universities of L1Z1X is open for business! Would anyone like to buy a Research Agreement?

Yes yes

[ToasTer86]

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Erm, so what is the component action Toaster played?

I played spy on D'rek , it can be seen at my turn right ?

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 01:02 PM, said:

Ok Tatts, what have we decided? You haven't got back to me as yet.

I did, I cannot expand on what has been said because it depends on various factors like when things get played. If your mind needs put at ease then be assured I would not be invading your area with anything more than a carrier if it came to that, then it'd be up to you if you let it stay or not. That's where our negotiation could start? Or even before it gets played but I cannot agree to anything right now.

[Khellendros]

ToasTer86, on 06 November 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Erm, so what is the component action Toaster played?

I played spy on D'rek , it can be seen at my turn right ?

It just looks blank to me. After you say ‘I play a component action’ there’s a big white space, but maybe it’s the skin I’m using.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 06 November 2019 - 01:34 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 01:02 PM, said:

Ok Tatts, what have we decided? You haven't got back to me as yet.

I did, I cannot expand on what has been said because it depends on various factors like when things get played. If your mind needs put at ease then be assured I would not be invading your area with anything more than a carrier if it came to that, then it'd be up to you if you let it stay or not. That's where our negotiation could start? Or even before it gets played but I cannot agree to anything right now.

I asked you more than that recently, like how much your TA PN is.

[Khellendros]

Khellendros, on 05 November 2019 - 08:02 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 05 November 2019 - 11:31 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 05 November 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

@ Tatts:

Let's get our plans sorted, if we are going to make a deal, so we're not holding everyone up when my turn comes along. Here's my opening questions/offers.

1) What turn would you move to Lazar?

2) It's one carrier and one infantry only.

3) Lazar's not worth much resource-wise, but the wormhole and the yellow tech are notable, plus I'm ensuring you a VP, so how about your SftT?

4) Are you able to place a blocking ship in the alpha wormhole? This is as much for your and your neighbours' benefit as mine, as you're opening up some tasty targets for me should I ever decide to become aggressive.

5) @ Morgoth: how are we going to ensure you don't understandably take advantage of a new wormhole being placed? If you give the token to me next, I'll place it where you like (other than in my territory).

If we can't come to an agreement, then I will just be moving ships to defend my planets.

My SFTT is off the table as I see me swapping with the L1 in the coming future. However an Alpha wormhole would make you and Nom neighbours in a way which could see you swapping SFTT with him?

Moving to Lazar, without action cards, would require me to research gravity drive which I intend to do but would mean it would be late in the round if achievable.

I would not be able to block the alpha wormhole with a ship, and why would you want me to? You have access to Mec Rex that way or just to bolster your forward forces. Eventually I may be able to but I'm not going to have loads of moves.

I don't know what sort of payment I can offer but you will have moves before the decision is made. Maybe my trade agreement could be thrown into the bargain? I see you getting as much if not more benefit from the wormhole than me, you even asked Creuss for it towards the end of last round. There are a couple of other otpions I should look at though, Lazar is not the only planet available.

How many trade goods does your TA give you? And how seriously are you thinking of placing the wormhole somewhere else? Yes, I do need to know your intentions before I make any move because whatever we decide will have an impact on what moves I make this whole round. Leaving your move till late in the round is fine, if we can get an accord. TA is not the same as SftT when I’m helping you to a VP, but it might be a start to an agreement.

[Galactic Council]

ToasTer86, on 06 November 2019 - 12:54 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 November 2019 - 12:40 PM, said:

Jazzarm, on 06 November 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

ToasTer86, on 06 November 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

If I play warfare on a carrier. Will that carrier also get +1. Sorry but the card is confusing for me

Warfare reads: "Choose one of your ships. For the remainder of the Action Phase, this ship grants +1 movement and +1 to all combat rolls to your other ships in the same system"

So if you use it on a carrier, the carrier itself won't get the movement. At least that's how I read it. But what you could do is give the buff to a fighter. Then the carrier gets the effect and can still transport the buffed fighter 2 spaces (or 3 with GD).

Yes this is what we are playing this game. It may change i future games but this is what the strategy entails this game.

So how about If I apply this to a fighter in a system with a carrier (mov 1) and cruiser (mov 2), will the following be true:
I carry the fighter with me in the Carrier and apply Grav drive to the carrier the movement of my fleet will be : Cruiser (mov 2 + 1), Carrier (mov 1 + 1 + 1 ) ?

Yep, this is correct and how we have always played this version of Warfare here on these boards.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 06 November 2019 - 02:01 PM

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 01:43 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 05 November 2019 - 08:02 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 05 November 2019 - 11:31 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 05 November 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

@ Tatts:

Let's get our plans sorted, if we are going to make a deal, so we're not holding everyone up when my turn comes along. Here's my opening questions/offers.

1) What turn would you move to Lazar?

2) It's one carrier and one infantry only.

3) Lazar's not worth much resource-wise, but the wormhole and the yellow tech are notable, plus I'm ensuring you a VP, so how about your SftT?

4) Are you able to place a blocking ship in the alpha wormhole? This is as much for your and your neighbours' benefit as mine, as you're opening up some tasty targets for me should I ever decide to become aggressive.

5) @ Morgoth: how are we going to ensure you don't understandably take advantage of a new wormhole being placed? If you give the token to me next, I'll place it where you like (other than in my territory).

If we can't come to an agreement, then I will just be moving ships to defend my planets.

My SFTT is off the table as I see me swapping with the L1 in the coming future. However an Alpha wormhole would make you and Nom neighbours in a way which could see you swapping SFTT with him?

Moving to Lazar, without action cards, would require me to research gravity drive which I intend to do but would mean it would be late in the round if achievable.

I would not be able to block the alpha wormhole with a ship, and why would you want me to? You have access to Mec Rex that way or just to bolster your forward forces. Eventually I may be able to but I'm not going to have loads of moves.

I don't know what sort of payment I can offer but you will have moves before the decision is made. Maybe my trade agreement could be thrown into the bargain? I see you getting as much if not more benefit from the wormhole than me, you even asked Creuss for it towards the end of last round. There are a couple of other otpions I should look at though, Lazar is not the only planet available.

How many trade goods does your TA give you? And how seriously are you thinking of placing the wormhole somewhere else? Yes, I do need to know your intentions before I make any move because whatever we decide will have an impact on what moves I make this whole round. Leaving your move till late in the round is fine, if we can get an accord. TA is not the same as SftT when I'm helping you to a VP, but it might be a start to an agreement.

I flip 3 commodities usually. So 3. There are many options regarding the wormhole, like Arinam/Meer for example, and one of those would hold the same planet trait I need but not exclusively. Maybe I pay you what Lazar is worth for as long as I am there in TG? That could be something. As I say its a moot point right now as I don't even know I can get there. Maybe I should have brought it up in 2 or 3 turns but I thought you'd be okay to deal with and I was showing goodwill by letting you know this early.

[Khellendros]

Haha, I am ‘okay’ to deal with it but I do need to have an actual agreement in place if I’m to facilitate you getting a VP at the cost of one of my planets. I’m also concerned about you potentially leaving the doorway open for other players to follow you through after your move.

I will owe Nom 1TG once he makes IH Speaker. How about you pay that to Nom as a start? I’ll take another 2TG payment, and your votes on an agenda of my choosing (which doesn’t directly harm you).

You bring one carrier with one unit, and leave first turn next round - or you leave them there to be destroyed but have to compensate me for any of my units killed.

If you decide to go elsewhere, then no worries.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

I will owe Nom 1TG once he makes IH Speaker. How about you pay that to Nom as a start? I'll take another 2TG payment, and your votes on an agenda of my choosing (which doesn't directly harm you).

You bring one carrier with one unit, and leave first turn next round - or you leave them there to be destroyed but have to compensate me for any of my units killed.

If you decide to go elsewhere, then no worries.

So 3 TG and my votes on an agenda seem a reasonable price to pay if I am to move there. I'd like to exhaust the planet next round before relinquishing it, maybe I could move my carrier and leave the 1 infantry or we could work out a further deal to let me keep that one planet for a round or two. Like I said not set in stone but it's what I am thinking right now.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 06 November 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

I will owe Nom 1TG once he makes IH Speaker. How about you pay that to Nom as a start? I'll take another 2TG payment, and your votes on an agenda of my choosing (which doesn't directly harm you).

You bring one carrier with one unit, and leave first turn next round - or you leave them there to be destroyed but have to compensate me for any of my units killed.

If you decide to go elsewhere, then no worries.

So 3 TG and my votes on an agenda seem a reasonable price to pay if I am to move there. I'd like to exhaust the planet next round before relinquishing it, maybe I could move my carrier and leave the 1 infantry or we could work out a further deal to let me keep that one planet for a round or two. Like I said not set in stone but it's what I am thinking right now.

Do you mean round or turn? I cannot let you keep it for longer than the the next round because that yellow tech is valuable to me, so I would need to take the planet back by the end of next round at the very latest, and maybe sooner in that round depending on what else transpired. But I guess we can talk about that then. So do we have an agreement?

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 02:57 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 November 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

I will owe Nom 1TG once he makes IH Speaker. How about you pay that to Nom as a start? I'll take another 2TG payment, and your votes on an agenda of my choosing (which doesn't directly harm you).

You bring one carrier with one unit, and leave first turn next round - or you leave them there to be destroyed but have to compensate me for any of my units killed.

If you decide to go elsewhere, then no worries.

So 3 TG and my votes on an agenda seem a reasonable price to pay if I am to move there. I'd like to exhaust the planet next round before relinquishing it, maybe I could move my carrier and leave the 1 infantry or we could work out a further deal to let me keep that one planet for a round or two. Like I said not set in stone but it's what I am thinking right now.

Do you mean round or turn? I cannot let you keep it for longer than the the next round because that yellow tech is valuable to me, so I would need to take the planet back by the end of next round at the very latest, and maybe sooner in that round depending on what else transpired. But I guess we can talk about that then. So do we have an agreement?

Well i'd have to exhaust it next "round" because I am not going to use diplomacy this round, so yes I was talking about next round.

We have an agreement if I should move to Lazar then you will have my votes on an agenda and a total of 3 TG's. 1 for Nom, 2 for you.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 06 November 2019 - 03:01 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 02:57 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 November 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

I will owe Nom 1TG once he makes IH Speaker. How about you pay that to Nom as a start? I'll take another 2TG payment, and your votes on an agenda of my choosing (which doesn't directly harm you).

You bring one carrier with one unit, and leave first turn next round - or you leave them there to be destroyed but have to compensate me for any of my units killed.

If you decide to go elsewhere, then no worries.

So 3 TG and my votes on an agenda seem a reasonable price to pay if I am to move there. I'd like to exhaust the planet next round before relinquishing it, maybe I could move my carrier and leave the 1 infantry or we could work out a further deal to let me keep that one planet for a round or two. Like I said not set in stone but it's what I am thinking right now.

Do you mean round or turn? I cannot let you keep it for longer than the the next round because that yellow tech is valuable to me, so I would need to take the planet back by the end of next round at the very latest, and maybe sooner in that round depending on what else transpired. But I guess we can talk about that then. So do we have an agreement?

Well i'd have to exhaust it next "round" because I am not going to use diplomacy this round, so yes I was talking about next round.

We have an agreement if I should move to Lazar then you will have my votes on an agenda and a total of 3 TG's. 1 for Nom, 2 for you.

And you will move with 1 Carrier and 1 infantry

[Tattersail_]

yep

[Tattersail_]

Twelve, last chance saloon. My order for Mehar Xull is in. If you want a chance to exhaust it then the price is a free refresh.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 06 November 2019 - 03:56 PM, said:

Twelve, last chance saloon. My order for Mehar Xull is in. If you want a chance to exhaust it then the price is a free refresh.

I'm exhausting it on my production order so fuck off. I cant believe you think if "Well D'rek has been aggressive towards me and I have this card that would slow her down since she now has her flagship I should totally use it on her other neighbor instead. On top of that I think it's a great idea to offer him if you give me a free refresh I'll only half fuck you over with this action card instead of fully fucking him over. He would totally go for it. Oh and his offer for a free refresh if I just agree to use it on anybody else is such a trash deal. Why on earth would I do that?"

Do you man. Do you.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 06 November 2019 - 04:09 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 November 2019 - 03:56 PM, said:

Twelve, last chance saloon. My order for Mehar Xull is in. If you want a chance to exhaust it then the price is a free refresh.

I'm exhausting it on my production order so fuck off. I cant believe you think if "Well D'rek has been aggressive towards me and I have this card that would slow her down since she now has her flagship I should totally use it on her other neighbor instead. On top of that I think it's a great idea to offer him if you give me a free refresh I'll only half fuck you over with this action card instead of fully fucking him over. He would totally go for it. Oh and his offer for a free refresh if I just agree to use it on anybody else is such a trash deal. Why on earth would I do that?"

Do you man. Do you.

1) D'rek could have used an AC on my exhausting Tau Bootis but decided not to.
2) I have manoevred myself out of conflict with D'rek
3) You are talking 2 infantry which literally cost you nothing. If you weren't exhausting it for 1 resource then you'd be able to exhaust it for 3 influence which is a CT a turn in itself. I thought it a good offer, you exhaust for a CT and I don't use a CT to refresh trade goods. Both coming out even.
4) Ignoring the use of action card, which I was upfront about, I offered 1 TG for a free refresh which was more than reasonable and you declined the offer.
5) Again if I said nothing you would not be exhausting it now for 1 resource and I'd be in a better position to negotiate
6) Who else would you like me to use it on? D'rek who I have come in to an accord with? L1 who has been amicable throughout? Naalu who dealt in good faith?

[ToasTer86]

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 01:41 PM, said:

ToasTer86, on 06 November 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 November 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Erm, so what is the component action Toaster played?

I played spy on D'rek , it can be seen at my turn right ?

It just looks blank to me. After you say ‘I play a component action’ there’s a big white space, but maybe it’s the skin I’m using.

Sorry I meant no insult was just wondering if I made a mistake