[twelve]

D, on 08 February 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

And, like, why would you even be mad about that? You still won the battle and took over the space. Weird thing to be upset about.

Harrah IV. I want to put a ship there or over one of IH's systems. How much to do that so you retreat? And IH how much to also get the sftt back if you go for the deal?

[twelve]

Itwæs Nom, on 08 February 2020 - 09:47 PM, said:

A fighter and a very valuable strategic position

But the reason's a SO

I thought as much

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 12:47 AM, said:

D, on 08 February 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

And, like, why would you even be mad about that? You still won the battle and took over the space. Weird thing to be upset about.

Harrah IV. I want to put a ship there or over one of IH's systems. How much to do that so you retreat? And IH how much to also get the sftt back if you go for the deal?

Twelve maybe I'm being stupid but I have no idea what you are asking me to do.

I'm more than willing to set a price on a deal but you need to be a little more specific.

I think you want me to retreat from an unspecified location so you can move ships in? And not PDS you? And then give you my SFTT back?

I'd need to know what you are moving in, where and how long you intend to stay.

I quite like my current setup, and the only reason I can think of to do this is for you to score a SO, but I think a deal can probably be struck.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 12:47 AM, said:

D, on 08 February 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

And, like, why would you even be mad about that? You still won the battle and took over the space. Weird thing to be upset about.

Harrah IV. I want to put a ship there or over one of IH's systems. How much to do that so you retreat? And IH how much to also get the sftt back if you go for the deal?

Hmm

1. Invade my planets
2. Attack me some more
3. Claim you want to just put ships overtop of my planets but not invade them even after you just did so earlier.

Hmmmmmmmmm

If you'd negotiated for it earlier I probably would've gone along with it for a reasonable price. Now though, not a chance, I'll burn every action card I can to stop it.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 09 February 2020 - 01:00 AM, said:

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 12:47 AM, said:

D, on 08 February 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

And, like, why would you even be mad about that? You still won the battle and took over the space. Weird thing to be upset about.

Harrah IV. I want to put a ship there or over one of IH's systems. How much to do that so you retreat? And IH how much to also get the sftt back if you go for the deal?

Twelve maybe I'm being stupid but I have no idea what you are asking me to do.

I'm more than willing to set a price on a deal but you need to be a little more specific.

I think you want me to retreat from an unspecified location so you can move ships in? And not PDS you? And then give you my SFTT back?

I'd need to know what you are moving in, where and how long you intend to stay.

I quite like my current setup, and the only reason I can think of to do this is for you to score a SO, but I think a deal can probably be struck.

I need to occupy the airspace of another system. I'd bring in my cruiser and fighter. You can pick the system as long as my cruiser can reach it. I'd ask that you retreat and not pds me. I would leave with whatever remaining ships I have as my first turn next round. And ask for the sftt back after I activate the system. How much will this cost me?

[twelve]

D, on 09 February 2020 - 01:15 AM, said:

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 12:47 AM, said:

D, on 08 February 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

And, like, why would you even be mad about that? You still won the battle and took over the space. Weird thing to be upset about.

Harrah IV. I want to put a ship there or over one of IH's systems. How much to do that so you retreat? And IH how much to also get the sftt back if you go for the deal?

Hmm

1. Invade my planets
2. Attack me some more
3. Claim you want to just put ships overtop of my planets but not invade them even after you just did so earlier.

Hmmmmmmmmm

If you'd negotiated for it earlier I probably would've gone along with it for a reasonable price. Now though, not a chance, I'll burn every action card I can to stop it.

I didnt think you would go for but I had to ask regardless.

[ToasTer86]

Twelve anything you can reach from me ? I am open for dealing

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 02:37 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 09 February 2020 - 01:00 AM, said:

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 12:47 AM, said:

D, on 08 February 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

And, like, why would you even be mad about that? You still won the battle and took over the space. Weird thing to be upset about.

Harrah IV. I want to put a ship there or over one of IH's systems. How much to do that so you retreat? And IH how much to also get the sftt back if you go for the deal?

Twelve maybe I'm being stupid but I have no idea what you are asking me to do.

I'm more than willing to set a price on a deal but you need to be a little more specific.

I think you want me to retreat from an unspecified location so you can move ships in? And not PDS you? And then give you my SFTT back?

I'd need to know what you are moving in, where and how long you intend to stay.

I quite like my current setup, and the only reason I can think of to do this is for you to score a SO, but I think a deal can probably be struck.

I need to occupy the airspace of another system. I'd bring in my cruiser and fighter. You can pick the system as long as my cruiser can reach it. I'd ask that you retreat and not pds me. I would leave with whatever remaining ships I have as my first turn next round. And ask for the sftt back after I activate the system. How much will this cost me?

Since you presumably need the ship alive, I could turn off PDS and retreat my destroyer from the empty hex next to my home system for 2 TG.

If you want my sftt back as well, I'd like you to give me all your votes on an agenda this voting phase, you to leave me my choice of strategy card, a free refresh and commodity swap if you pick trade, and your trade PN. Or alternatively a deal where I get one of your tech specialty planets could perhaps be worked out but the logistics seem difficult.

[ToasTer86]

Waiting for Tapper now I believe ?

[Galactic Council]

I had forgotten to move one of D'rek's ships out of Nestphar in my map update, so I've fixed that now!

[twelve]

ToasTer86, on 09 February 2020 - 07:59 AM, said:

Twelve anything you can reach from me ? I am open for dealing

Well does the wormhole thing of Morgoth work? No because we arent neighbors so you cant pass it to me. If there is a possibility then I'm open. You haven't passed yet tight.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 09 February 2020 - 09:02 AM, said:

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 02:37 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 09 February 2020 - 01:00 AM, said:

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 12:47 AM, said:

D, on 08 February 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

And, like, why would you even be mad about that? You still won the battle and took over the space. Weird thing to be upset about.

Harrah IV. I want to put a ship there or over one of IH's systems. How much to do that so you retreat? And IH how much to also get the sftt back if you go for the deal?

Twelve maybe I'm being stupid but I have no idea what you are asking me to do.

I'm more than willing to set a price on a deal but you need to be a little more specific.

I think you want me to retreat from an unspecified location so you can move ships in? And not PDS you? And then give you my SFTT back?

I'd need to know what you are moving in, where and how long you intend to stay.

I quite like my current setup, and the only reason I can think of to do this is for you to score a SO, but I think a deal can probably be struck.

I need to occupy the airspace of another system. I'd bring in my cruiser and fighter. You can pick the system as long as my cruiser can reach it. I'd ask that you retreat and not pds me. I would leave with whatever remaining ships I have as my first turn next round. And ask for the sftt back after I activate the system. How much will this cost me?

Since you presumably need the ship alive, I could turn off PDS and retreat my destroyer from the empty hex next to my home system for 2 TG.

If you want my sftt back as well, I'd like you to give me all your votes on an agenda this voting phase, you to leave me my choice of strategy card, a free refresh and commodity swap if you pick trade, and your trade PN. Or alternatively a deal where I get one of your tech specialty planets could perhaps be worked out but the logistics seem difficult.

The 2 trade goods to turn off the PDS is acceptable. As for getting the SFTT back, I won't have the CT or troop capacity to clear off a planet so the tech specialty option won't be available. All my votes on the next agenda I can agree to. I'll agree to take trade if it's available so giving you my trade agreement PN and a free refresh and commodities swap terms are agreeable as well.

Toaster, If you can remove everything over where the Beta wormhole is and place the Alpha wormhole over one of my systems what are you looking to charge for the service. Currently I'm giving up a lot to IH. If you charge less I'll consider the you as an alternative. you haven't passed yet have you?

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 07:44 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 09 February 2020 - 09:02 AM, said:

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 02:37 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 09 February 2020 - 01:00 AM, said:

twelve, on 09 February 2020 - 12:47 AM, said:

D, on 08 February 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

And, like, why would you even be mad about that? You still won the battle and took over the space. Weird thing to be upset about.

Harrah IV. I want to put a ship there or over one of IH's systems. How much to do that so you retreat? And IH how much to also get the sftt back if you go for the deal?

Twelve maybe I'm being stupid but I have no idea what you are asking me to do.

I'm more than willing to set a price on a deal but you need to be a little more specific.

I think you want me to retreat from an unspecified location so you can move ships in? And not PDS you? And then give you my SFTT back?

I'd need to know what you are moving in, where and how long you intend to stay.

I quite like my current setup, and the only reason I can think of to do this is for you to score a SO, but I think a deal can probably be struck.

I need to occupy the airspace of another system. I'd bring in my cruiser and fighter. You can pick the system as long as my cruiser can reach it. I'd ask that you retreat and not pds me. I would leave with whatever remaining ships I have as my first turn next round. And ask for the sftt back after I activate the system. How much will this cost me?

Since you presumably need the ship alive, I could turn off PDS and retreat my destroyer from the empty hex next to my home system for 2 TG.

If you want my sftt back as well, I'd like you to give me all your votes on an agenda this voting phase, you to leave me my choice of strategy card, a free refresh and commodity swap if you pick trade, and your trade PN. Or alternatively a deal where I get one of your tech specialty planets could perhaps be worked out but the logistics seem difficult.

The 2 trade goods to turn off the PDS is acceptable. As for getting the SFTT back, I won't have the CT or troop capacity to clear off a planet so the tech specialty option won't be available. All my votes on the next agenda I can agree to. I'll agree to take trade if it's available so giving you my trade agreement PN and a free refresh and commodities swap terms are agreeable as well.

Toaster, If you can remove everything over where the Beta wormhole is and place the Alpha wormhole over one of my systems what are you looking to charge for the service. Currently I'm giving up a lot to IH. If you charge less I'll consider the you as an alternative. you haven't passed yet have you?

Sounds agreeable to me. Hope I don't regret setting you up for the win!

[ToasTer86]

Hey everyone as this game is coming to an end, either this round or next round.

As I expect no one can stop me from reaching 10 points this turn, by scoring my third secret and a stage II, I want to reflect on how I played.
Due to my slice and my race I was able to keep up with the pack, even be first for a while. I scored solidly every round. But never got to Mecatol, an agenda or action card point.
I scored my difficult secrets and control objectives early and due to that I never have had to engage in combat yet this game. Just once getting a planet back from my slice from Nom.

So in the interest of being realistic and anyone being able to reach the same conclusion. I present to you below the summation of my chance of winning this round. Or any round actually.
Because wiith all secrets scored, and I assume we can only score 3 secrets, at 10 points my only chance of winning is scoring a second stage objective.

As I have also score 4 of the stage I objectives, I could only ever reach 11 points with all stage I objectives. This concludes that I am forced to score a stage II.
As the last chance are some agenda's or Imperial rider, but I do not see any of those going to my favor.

|Centralize Galactic Trade | Spend 10 trade goods | 2 | Impossible Due to having only having 2 TG left, the action cards for getting TG just both got played with only 2 TG and zero chance of getting trade or being trade with.
|Conquer the Weak | Control 1 planet that is in another player's home system | 2 |Very hard, Invading Morgoth will cost me a point no option, invading Nom seems unlikely. There might be a slim chance that I could use the Ghost PN to use the A/B wormhole to get somewhere.
|Form Galactic Brain Trust | Control 5 planets that have technology specialties | 2 | Impossible, I only have 1 tech specialty. I do not have the movement or forces to get 4 others
|Found a Golden Age | Spend 16 resources | 2 | Impossible, I can get to 11 resources using all my planets, with only 2 TG and zero chance of getting trade or being trade with and no actions card for getting TG remaining
|Unify the Colonies | Control 6 planets that each have the same planet trait | 2| Impossible, I have 3 cultural, 2 industrial, 2 hazardous. No one will let me get 6 cultural
|Manipulate Galactic Law | Spend 16 influence | 2 | Already scored
|Master the Sciences | Own 2 technologies in each of 4 colors | 2 | Impossible, I have 4 green, 2 blue, 1 yellow --> missing 3 tech.. The action card to gain tech just got played, and I will never get tech as semi last in order. Will never get 3 tech in one round
|Revolutionize Warfare | Own 3 unit upgrade technologies | 2 | Impossible, I have zero unit upgrades. he action card to gain tech just got played, and I will never get tech as semi last in order. Will never get 3 tech in one round
|Subdue the Galaxy | Control 11 planets in non-home systems | 2 | Very hard, I have 7 non-home planets so there could be a chance I could invade 4 planets. Although looking at my possibilities The only route in range, is Manso and the other 3 planet system.
The retaliation will be real. I can't take all these planets and keep them.
|Unify the Colonies | Control 6 planets that each have the same planet trait | 2 |Very possible, After relocating tokens I have 2/4/0 + 3 from my refresh. I would need to get 1 or more from leadership. Although would leave no action for my turn.

My conclusion is that if Unify the Colonies comes up a lot of people will try to engage my home system, and throw action cards at me. Predicting the outcome of that kind of end-game is impossible, so you guys could stop me, maybe not. but most likely just make the player in second place win either that round or next round.
From my point-of-view, Unify the Colonies, is the only chance to win next round, and there is a 12.5% or 1 in 8 eight chance this objective will flip.

I enjoyed this game and although I know it is not over yet, I see a slim chance of pulling the victory or doing a surprise win. As all my cards are open and my option are very slim.

As long as I do not see a path to victory for my self, I want everyone to know that I will not be king making, or trying to stop/influence other people from obtaining a win.
I do not leader bash as long as it will benefit myself.

Maybe some people were not this far with deducting my chances to win, and I set myself back doing this, but for me -> a realist -> this is the best I can do. And hopefully it will help other to deduct their chances, or which leader to stop.
Hope you enjoyed this read and the game so far


EDIT: such a shame tabs do not work.

This post has been edited by ToasTer86: 10 February 2020 - 08:03 AM

[Morgoth]

It's an interesting analysis, toaster. I have reached much the same conclusion. Having all the planets exhausted this round really fucked up my plans, and I'll be 1 point behind you with an impossible SO.

[Tattersail_]

So who's going to win, and who's lying?

[Tattersail_]

Toaster, did you put much in terms of your plans in your game PM? Sometimes, people put their thoughts in their so the moderator can see their schemes and brilliance.

[Tattersail_]

In terms of the game, I'd maybe have done a couple of things differently. Each of the games we've played have had different paths to victory. This one has seen most people achieve PO's each round, and almost no conflict. IH, Morgoth, Toaster, Nom have pretty much played passively and negotiated really well. D'rek has played strategically well which she was meant to do. I'm impressed most by D'rek this game than most others in terms of leaders. Toaster as a newcomer has played excellently too. IH and Morgoth have benefitted from Khell and Twelve's benevolence. Toaster from Nom's. D'rek has had to weave between both Twelve and I as well as hold everyone else off of Rex. I can see her winning next round tbf.

[Imperial Historian]

This game will end up being decided by the PO draw I think. Everyone has been good at scoring points consistently this game, which makes it very tight at the top. That naluu ability could be key.

If a PO is drawn that no-one can score I reckon twelve and D'rek have the advantage as they have scored the most non-PO related points.

Subdue the galaxy or conquer the weak are probably the hardest for anybody to score which will really change the relatively peaceful dynamic of the board this game.

[Imperial Historian]

Who are we waiting for?