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#2381 User is offline   Tattersail_ 

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 01:22 PM

View PostTapper, on 14 January 2020 - 12:49 PM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 14 January 2020 - 11:27 AM, said:

Tapper I did have a deal in place to pick what I wanted but I'll waive that. We cannot let D'rek take Imperial though, and keeping the Speaker token near us may be best. So which one would you rather take, Imperial or Politics? Is there anything you'd like to discuss with me?

Oh Tatts, please don't ever change :dancer: .

When it comes to the subject of picking what you wanted, didn't you already pick Abyz/Fria, hmm?

As for the 'deal': if I pick Imperial, nothing stops you from Speaker-ing yourself, putting me last in queue, and on top of that, Imperial is doing next to nothing for me this round, with the current goals.


If you had said Politics I would have taken Imperial to stop D'rek scoring the extra point.

I took Abyz/Fria once Jazz started to talk about my territory (Tar'mann) to start with. I conceded a lot to Jazz this game. I wanted to discuss Abyz/Fria with him as I needed them for the PO but he disappeared. I am willing to leave this round without much bustle. What are your thoughts?
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 01:28 PM

Tatts you have 4 technologies, you need to exhaust 1 more planet, non?

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 01:29 PM

View PostToasTer86, on 14 January 2020 - 09:50 AM, said:

Seems like not a lot of people are going to be able to achieve " spend " objectives .


No kidding! This is going to be a very short and unproductive round, methinks.

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 01:34 PM

Btw, @Blend, this is another agenda with the text being just a wee bit off. It should say "for each technology they own" rather than "have researched" (https://i.imgur.com/BwefeYR.jpg). I think we were all interpreting it the same anyway, but I could see someone wanting to distinguish it by not including tech they started with as "have researched" even though they do own them.

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 01:58 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 14 January 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 14 January 2020 - 12:49 PM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 14 January 2020 - 11:27 AM, said:

Tapper I did have a deal in place to pick what I wanted but I'll waive that. We cannot let D'rek take Imperial though, and keeping the Speaker token near us may be best. So which one would you rather take, Imperial or Politics? Is there anything you'd like to discuss with me?

Oh Tatts, please don't ever change :dancer: .

When it comes to the subject of picking what you wanted, didn't you already pick Abyz/Fria, hmm?

As for the 'deal': if I pick Imperial, nothing stops you from Speaker-ing yourself, putting me last in queue, and on top of that, Imperial is doing next to nothing for me this round, with the current goals.


If you had said Politics I would have taken Imperial to stop D'rek scoring the extra point.

I took Abyz/Fria once Jazz started to talk about my territory (Tar'mann) to start with. I conceded a lot to Jazz this game. I wanted to discuss Abyz/Fria with him as I needed them for the PO but he disappeared. I am willing to leave this round without much bustle. What are your thoughts?

Yeah, well. 5 Production is a serious chunk out of my budget, especially compared to a 1/1 Tar'mann that currently does not seem to be in your possession to begin with.

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 02:05 PM

View PostD, on 14 January 2020 - 01:28 PM, said:

Tatts you have 4 technologies, you need to exhaust 1 more planet, non?


I do have 4 tech's, assumed I started with one. I'll get back in there now.
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 02:22 PM

Alright, a few of you have poked me about this, and I've said a few times I would get around to it, but I just haven't yet.

I KNOW that the PNs sections of your Game PMs is super out of date. I do intend to get to updating that soon, I just haven't had as much downtime at work lately as I used to have, and I try no to spend too much time on my computer when I get home, so I just haven't had the time, yet, to do it.

I'm hoping to get to it sometime this week, though!
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 02:24 PM

View PostD, on 14 January 2020 - 01:34 PM, said:

Btw, @Blend, this is another agenda with the text being just a wee bit off. It should say "for each technology they own" rather than "have researched" (https://i.imgur.com/BwefeYR.jpg). I think we were all interpreting it the same anyway, but I could see someone wanting to distinguish it by not including tech they started with as "have researched" even though they do own them.


Thanks, I'll update my card lists.
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 03:27 PM

Tapper what would you like to amend our relationship?
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 07:49 PM

Alright, I've finally take the time to review PNs in your game PMs.

Everyone's Game PMs should now be accurate. If I've missed anything, please let me know and point me towards where the trade happened on thread.

A quick note - when posting a trade on thread, please ensure you post WHAT you are trading, WHO you are trading it to, and WHAT, if anything, you are receiving in return for said trade.

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 11:10 PM

Since no one has gone and I now realise that Trade hasn't been picked I'll pick trade.
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Posted 15 January 2020 - 02:22 AM

Hmm, I’m not sure how I feel about that. Mainly because I happened to glance at the thread earlier, saw it was my turn, and thought, “ok, when I have time to think about which planets to exhaust I’ll pick Trade.”
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Posted 15 January 2020 - 08:43 AM

why would you pick Politics, tatts? It makes no sense to me.
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Posted 15 January 2020 - 08:50 AM

View PostMorgoth, on 15 January 2020 - 08:43 AM, said:

why would you pick Politics, tatts? It makes no sense to me.


What would you have picked in my shoes? Imperial?
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Posted 15 January 2020 - 08:51 AM

View PostTattersail_, on 14 January 2020 - 03:27 PM, said:

Tapper what would you like to amend our relationship?

- Evacuating Abyz/Fria on your first action + your Trade Agreement.

If you have already dealt your Trade Agreement:

- Evacuating Abyz/Fria on your first action + your Ceasefire.

And "evacuating" means moving all ships and infantry to your homeworld or QQ/Rarron.

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Posted 15 January 2020 - 08:56 AM

View PostTattersail_, on 15 January 2020 - 08:50 AM, said:

View PostMorgoth, on 15 January 2020 - 08:43 AM, said:

why would you pick Politics, tatts? It makes no sense to me.


What would you have picked in my shoes? Imperial?


Maybe I guess, or Technology, Trade or even Logistics or Construction. I don't understand what benefit you gain from politics as player 2. If having 7 action cards before the refresh is the deciding factor I'd just have spent a token on the secondary.
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Posted 15 January 2020 - 08:59 AM

View PostTapper, on 15 January 2020 - 08:51 AM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 14 January 2020 - 03:27 PM, said:

Tapper what would you like to amend our relationship?

- Evacuating Abyz/Fria on your first action + your Trade Agreement.

If you have already dealt your Trade Agreement:

- Evacuating Abyz/Fria on your first action + your Ceasefire.

And "evacuating" means moving all ships and infantry to your homeworld or QQ/Rarron.


Moving out of Abyz will not be a problem, as for the second part of the deal how about we amend that bit. I was planning on making myself speaker, what can you offer me to make Nom speaker so you get second pick?
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Posted 15 January 2020 - 09:03 AM

View PostMorgoth, on 15 January 2020 - 08:56 AM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 15 January 2020 - 08:50 AM, said:

View PostMorgoth, on 15 January 2020 - 08:43 AM, said:

why would you pick Politics, tatts? It makes no sense to me.


What would you have picked in my shoes? Imperial?


Maybe I guess, or Technology, Trade or even Logistics or Construction. I don't understand what benefit you gain from politics as player 2. If having 7 action cards before the refresh is the deciding factor I'd just have spent a token on the secondary.


With exhausted planets being an issue this round 2 of those options are too expensive. I did consider trade but I needed some leverage with my neighbour and they only have 2 commodities. Imperial and Construction would have been selfish and maybe halted my momentum in the long run. I'm happy with my choice.
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Posted 15 January 2020 - 11:13 AM

View PostTapper, on 14 January 2020 - 11:55 AM, said:

View PostToasTer86, on 14 January 2020 - 09:50 AM, said:

Seems like not a lot of people are going to be able to achieve " spend " objectives .

@ Tapper, I have traded my promissary note L1Z1X 2 rounds ago with the assumption and kind of discreet/promise he would use it. He did not :(
You can scroll back and find he did say he would use it this round. Could you honor that agreement made by him ?

see post : https://forum.malaza...10#entry1391010

Hmm, the way I read the exchange, I'd have to use it before anyone reaches 10 VP. I deem it possible but unlikely that anyone will get to 10 this round with frozen resources.
In addition, that same message mentions that (and you more or less accepted) an option where he'd trade it back to you, for your trade PN.

But... in the interest of being fair, sure. I will use it.


Thank you, relationship with the L1Z1X restored.
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Posted 15 January 2020 - 12:16 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 15 January 2020 - 08:59 AM, said:

View PostTapper, on 15 January 2020 - 08:51 AM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 14 January 2020 - 03:27 PM, said:

Tapper what would you like to amend our relationship?

- Evacuating Abyz/Fria on your first action + your Trade Agreement.

If you have already dealt your Trade Agreement:

- Evacuating Abyz/Fria on your first action + your Ceasefire.

And "evacuating" means moving all ships and infantry to your homeworld or QQ/Rarron.


Moving out of Abyz will not be a problem, as for the second part of the deal how about we amend that bit. I was planning on making myself speaker, what can you offer me to make Nom speaker so you get second pick?

In all honesty: going second is not a big deal. Picking last (if/when you'd make yourself Speaker) would suck, but I think I can weather it. I think Nom should be the first person to talk to to see if you can iron out a deal :)
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