[Trotts]

finished a reread of midnight tides (jeez, in my tehol-lust i skipped over some cool stuff)

1) silchas ruin was trapped in the azath tower/hold of death right? but there was always mention of some chick trapped beside him (who promised kettle lotsa stuff, and kept trying to hold onto silchas) do we have any idea/theories who she might be?

2) the jheck (the soletaken from the iceplanes) had a god that was in letharas who bugg called 'the pack' and from the crimson guard description it was a d'ivers whos veered form was like 6 lizard cats or somthin? okay, so my question is, who are the jheck? are they a form of people weve met already? or do they have an relevence in anything, or just some filler (gasp!)

3) little confused by the king. he and nifdas poisoned themselves before brys began to fight, does that mean they figured he would lose? thats harsh



this isnt a question so much as a bit of a rant. THERADAS BUHN IS AN ASS!! he beat tehol!! ****in smashed his skull!! i didnt remember who did it speficially, but now i do. ass! ass! and even worse, hull was right there!!!!!!!!!! he was like, "oh no, someones gettin beaten" and then the damn nerek came and stabbed him!! wtf!!! he was tehre!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Trotts]

yea, i understand that hull was supposed to be a very broken character, the most broken of the beddicts. but....well....he didnt add anything, he just popped up occaisonally, moped around, and then disappeared again


would be cooler if he like, i dunno, went back to the tribes (like nerek) and tried to organize a revolt. even if he died doing that, itd have been cool.

[Hume]

The Jheck were left over soletaken from the First empire,
I think Bugg or the Errant explain to some one neart the end.

The only thing that sort of bugged me was that the jheck soletaken were all soletaken to the same creature: A big wolf. that wasnt really explained, my guess is that it was just a really popular choice to become a soletake as for that area.

[Trotts]

thought of another question

4 i think) also in the azath tower/hold of death there are 5 toblakai, referred to as the seragahl and known as the tartheno gods. are they actually gods? like, theloman toblakai gods? or were they just some big toblakai that called themselves gods? are they referred too anywhere else?

[Hume]

Im fairly certain they arent refered to anywhere else.

There are only two other Thelomens we know.
- The Fenns in Quan tali mountains. We know just about nothing of these ones.
- The Teblor in the northern mountain Platau on genabackis. The teblor have gods, they are however or were T'lann Imass, The seven in the Rock or something like that.


So its likely that the Sereghal Toblaikai Gods were gods only to the Serghal Thelomens.
Thats just my opinion anyways.


Were they in fact Gods ?
I think so, Ublala describes them as gods, and he his half Tartheno/Serghal.
Although as Gods, one of them in an individual fight wouldnt have been too scary IMHO.

[Roland]

Btw, I also think Hull was Dull

Oh, and I don't know why, but I had this strange feeling that the Jhek were in fact Imass from before the ritual. Just a hunch. Besides, the remnants of the First Empire are the Letheri. I don't see how soletaken left-overs would share a continent with them for so long without the ones finding out about the others. Especially since it's not their original one...

But I don't remember enough to argue

[Trotts]

roland - thats the feeling i got too. i dunno why, theres a part where the queen and moroch are watching the edur army advance, and the way they describe the jheck i thought it was an imass description

as to the toblakai, its just that no other gods are mentioned. i mean the teblor had the 7, but those are false gods to a lost people, so i thoight maybe they were god gods. but i dunno, the battle just didnt seem to convey the power of a god. or mayeb they are just weak gods. i mean come on, what kinda god gets beaten with a wooden branch lol

[Roland]

Hetan said:

The remnants of the First (human) Empire I assume is what you mean?

Quite the pedant, aren't we? :cool:

[Roland]

Sorry, didn't mean to offend you

[Jorram]

I sort of remember a passage where the Ceda was telling Brys about the Jheck and he said something along the lines of "though we escaped the plague, some of it followed us even here" (okay, VERY free interpretation), so they possibly knew about the Jheck but forgot them as their respective areals were separated by Edur lands.

[Roland]

Hmm, yes, if there was such a line, it would mean the Jheck are soletaken from the First (human) Empire... I only thought the colonisation happened before the soletaken ritual...

[Jorram]

Yes, they sure are. What's more interesting is their connection to the Jheck, spoken of in Blood Follows as inhabitants of islands close to Korelri. I think there was a discussion going on there in the old forum.

Maybe the Soletaken mixed up with lost remnants of those Jheck?

[fortyseven]

The Seragahl were imprisonned for a long time and weren't at their full strength when they emerged. Also consider that the most powerful beings don't always win.

[Trotts]

okay, and the first empire was from where lots of the current ascendants are from?

[Trotts]

im so confused and hopelessly lost, hehe

so the jheck are from this imass first empire?
or from the first letharii empire (the first human empire)

[Roland]

The second one. Because all the soletaken crap took place there. The confusion is based on the fact that the Jheck really do look more like Imass than human.