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#1 User is offline   Steamer 

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 03:33 AM

Hi y'all,

I am plundering and pumping my way thru my re-read of DHG.Posted Image

I am remembering bits and pieces but the DENSE nature of the story is starting to get me down a little bit. The Chain 'o Dogs is a solid story thread and the Felisin storyline is good too, just some of the conversations seem to go on forever (not sure if I remembered this last time; quite some years ago)

Is it safe to say that DHG is the most dense of all the malazan books?

I remember MOI being distinctly "easier" to read than DHG

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 07:12 AM

Not by a long shot I'm afraid. Lot more density to come in future books.

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 07:30 AM

But you are right in MOI being an easy read, at least it was for me.May be because I was most interested in the characters I already knew (and love) from Gardens.
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Posted 04 September 2018 - 12:58 PM

DoD and TTH come to mind first for me when I think of dense Malazan books.
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Posted 04 September 2018 - 04:57 PM

View PostGintokian, on 04 September 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

DoD and TTH come to mind first for me when I think of dense Malazan books.


I second this.
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Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:37 PM

I suspect the Chain of Dogs is to blame. The tragedy weighs heavily on you especially if you know the outcome.
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 01:37 AM

View Postnacht, on 04 September 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

I suspect the Chain of Dogs is to blame. The tragedy weighs heavily on you especially if you know the outcome.


Ah yes Nacht, you are spot on sir!

The fact that THAT outcome is always in the back of my mind, I am finding it less enthralling that the first time.

I can't remember what happens in the Felicin/Heboric storyline so its a bit more engaging; i remember it being the opposite during the first read Posted Image
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 10:15 PM

Hey all


I need your respected and expert opinion on something with DHG

Be truthful and do not fear about your comments

I have read DHG previously and know the outcome of Cotaine's storyline and the chain of dogs. Should I therefore skim over these sections of the book? As I mentioned in the earlier post Im finding it dense as I know what is coming

Is this a bad idea? or could I get away with it without ruining the overarching storyline?

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 11:31 PM

I am not really sure I understand your question. You have already read the book once before, so how could it ruin the overall story arc if you already know the content of the book? Be your own judge. Reading should be fun, not a chore.
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Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:44 AM

View PostGorefest, on 05 September 2018 - 11:31 PM, said:

I am not really sure I understand your question. You have already read the book once before, so how could it ruin the overall story arc if you already know the content of the book? Be your own judge. Reading should be fun, not a chore.


Yo Gore,

Sorry let me re-iterate.

I have read it before, yes.
I remember the Coltaine outcome.
I meant will it ruin the storyline beyond this book?
I know that he is mentioned in later books.
I can't remember how the Felisin storyline pans out.
It was a general question for yourself and the fellow Malazan experts.
I am not an expert. I am Steamer, a lowly piece of human trash. Thank you for reminding me of this.

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:58 AM

Sorry for the brash reply.

I have had a horrible week and an even worse September.

I will leave the forums for a while and return after Deadhouse Gates is finished.

Sorry if I have inconvenienced anyone in this forum.

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 03:39 AM

Hey, Steamer. You're not inconveniencing anyone and no one thinks you're trash. Maybe a long book about a hopeless death-march isn't the best choice in your current headspace. Memories of Ice isn't really a laugh riot either.


You could probably get away with skimming the battle scenes on a reread, but there are a lot of individual moments in the Coltaine stuff that will resonate later even excluding the finish.

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 06:44 AM

I never did a full DG reread. (Aldo did not do a full reread of another later MBOTF book) but I read parts of it multiple times.
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Posted 07 September 2018 - 03:30 AM

View PostArchieVist, on 06 September 2018 - 03:39 AM, said:

Hey, Steamer. You're not inconveniencing anyone and no one thinks you're trash. Maybe a long book about a hopeless death-march isn't the best choice in your current headspace. Memories of Ice isn't really a laugh riot either.


You could probably get away with skimming the battle scenes on a reread, but there are a lot of individual moments in the Coltaine stuff that will resonate later even excluding the finish.

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Thanks Archie I appreciated it.

In fact you comment : "Maybe a long book about a hopeless death-march isn't the best choice in your current headspace. Memories of Ice isn't really a laugh riot either" actually gave me a good laugh.


I read a good section today about Kalam and the pirate ship attack which was far less dense than the chain of dogs slog of slogs.


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Posted 07 September 2018 - 02:32 PM

View PostSteamer, on 07 September 2018 - 03:30 AM, said:

View PostArchieVist, on 06 September 2018 - 03:39 AM, said:

Hey, Steamer. You're not inconveniencing anyone and no one thinks you're trash. Maybe a long book about a hopeless death-march isn't the best choice in your current headspace. Memories of Ice isn't really a laugh riot either.


You could probably get away with skimming the battle scenes on a reread, but there are a lot of individual moments in the Coltaine stuff that will resonate later even excluding the finish.

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Thanks Archie I appreciated it.

In fact you comment : "Maybe a long book about a hopeless death-march isn't the best choice in your current headspace. Memories of Ice isn't really a laugh riot either" actually gave me a good laugh.

I read a good section today about Kalam and the pirate ship attack which was far less dense than the chain of dogs slog of slogs.

May Kruppe bless you.


Kalam's plotline is probably the 'lightest' in the series, with Fid & co. pretty close. Pearl and Lostara too, tho their bits are pretty brief. Given the sheer grimdark of Felisin and The Chain, i always liked the balance.

That said, there are an absolute pile of interesting little worldbuilding breadcrumbs throughout Felisin and The Chain's stories.
CHASE: Paw Patrol is ready for action Mr Pust sir!
PUST: *pauses ranting* What does that mean?
ZUMA: It means let's dive in, dude!
PUST: What? What is a dude? WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?????
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