[Gnaw]

Damn. Now I’m feeling insignificant. Mind if I take my turn?

[D'rek]

Itwæs Nom, on 22 July 2018 - 07:48 PM, said:

@Blend, Khell no longer has any infantry on Centauri

Sorry about that carrier!

D, on 22 July 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 22 July 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

Also @D'rek, after some oversleep, uhm, pollination, I'm gonna keep the battlestation to myself for now if you stay off Tura Nora for this round, how's that sound?

What's in it for me?

I won't give the battlestation to Khell,

If you took the system before me I'd try to take it even if I had to go against the oddds

And I expect Khell to want it next round too, against his fleet even the super dreadnought would be no good, and it would be shame to lose it like that

If he does or not I expect my ships to be vacating the planet next round if you'd still want it

So forgive me if I offer nothing more than that

So I get shot with Experimental BS by you or I get shot with Experimental BS by Khell. Same diff. If you gave me the AC, sure I could abstain from Tura Nora for a time, but simply not giving it to Khell hardly matters in the long run.

[D'rek]

Gnaw, on 22 July 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

Damn. Now I’m feeling insignificant. Mind if I take my turn?

My bad!

[Gnaw]

D, on 22 July 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

I thought Secondaries had to be the first part of a turn (before any trades and before any actions) ?

We've all been doing trades whenever it was possible. Including last game.

[D'rek]

Gnaw, on 22 July 2018 - 09:34 PM, said:

D, on 22 July 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

I thought Secondaries had to be the first part of a turn (before any trades and before any actions) ?

We've all been doing trades whenever it was possible. Including last game.

Hmm, I suppose we were. What kind of irresponsible mod was running the last game, sheesh.

[Galactic Council]

D, on 22 July 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 July 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 05:37 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 July 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 05:28 PM, said:

Tapper - you ended your last turn with 1/4 commodities and 2TGs.

You gave Khell the last commodity, putting you at 0/4 and 2 TGs.

Then you have a 2:2 trade with Khell up above your Trade refresh, but you don't have 2 commodities at this point. Are you trading 2 TGs for 2 of Khell's TGs? What's the point of that exactly?

If you do your trade refresh first, then you go up to 4/4 commodities - then you get 2 TGs from the swap with Khell, which would put you at 2/4 and 4TGs.

Can you please review your post and put things in whatever order you actually want to do them in, as right now you can't do what you've posted.

Sure. I am on my phone now, so I typed everything in order to not forget how to add things up so that the totals match and I wouldn't forget a Secondary, like last turn.

I will copy paste the trade with Khell after a hard break next time I am behind a PC. That's likely tomorrow, though.

Just want to make sure what you're doing makes sense - I can update it for you, did you intend to do the 2:2 swap with Khell AFTER your trade refresh so that you ended up with 2:4 and 4TGs?

Yep.

I thought Secondaries had to be the first part of a turn (before any trades and before any actions) ?

Hmmm, I think we probably did that last game. I don't think it makes a difference, though, does it? Technically people can trade at any point during their turn, does it make a difference if it's before, during or after secondaries?

[Galactic Council]

Twelve - your dread has a carrying capacity of 1, so I'm assuming you just want to bring an infantry along.

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 09:38 PM, said:

D, on 22 July 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 July 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 05:37 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 July 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 05:28 PM, said:

Tapper - you ended your last turn with 1/4 commodities and 2TGs.

You gave Khell the last commodity, putting you at 0/4 and 2 TGs.

Then you have a 2:2 trade with Khell up above your Trade refresh, but you don't have 2 commodities at this point. Are you trading 2 TGs for 2 of Khell's TGs? What's the point of that exactly?

If you do your trade refresh first, then you go up to 4/4 commodities - then you get 2 TGs from the swap with Khell, which would put you at 2/4 and 4TGs.

Can you please review your post and put things in whatever order you actually want to do them in, as right now you can't do what you've posted.

Sure. I am on my phone now, so I typed everything in order to not forget how to add things up so that the totals match and I wouldn't forget a Secondary, like last turn.

I will copy paste the trade with Khell after a hard break next time I am behind a PC. That's likely tomorrow, though.

Just want to make sure what you're doing makes sense - I can update it for you, did you intend to do the 2:2 swap with Khell AFTER your trade refresh so that you ended up with 2:4 and 4TGs?

Yep.

I thought Secondaries had to be the first part of a turn (before any trades and before any actions) ?

Hmmm, I think we probably did that last game. I don't think it makes a difference, though, does it? Technically people can trade at any point during their turn, does it make a difference if it's before, during or after secondaries?

It would keep things closer to the "real" game. In a tabletop game, you perform the secondaries in-between your turns, after all.

[Galactic Council]

D, on 22 July 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 09:38 PM, said:

D, on 22 July 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 July 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 05:37 PM, said:

Tapper, on 22 July 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 05:28 PM, said:

Tapper - you ended your last turn with 1/4 commodities and 2TGs.

You gave Khell the last commodity, putting you at 0/4 and 2 TGs.

Then you have a 2:2 trade with Khell up above your Trade refresh, but you don't have 2 commodities at this point. Are you trading 2 TGs for 2 of Khell's TGs? What's the point of that exactly?

If you do your trade refresh first, then you go up to 4/4 commodities - then you get 2 TGs from the swap with Khell, which would put you at 2/4 and 4TGs.

Can you please review your post and put things in whatever order you actually want to do them in, as right now you can't do what you've posted.

Sure. I am on my phone now, so I typed everything in order to not forget how to add things up so that the totals match and I wouldn't forget a Secondary, like last turn.

I will copy paste the trade with Khell after a hard break next time I am behind a PC. That's likely tomorrow, though.

Just want to make sure what you're doing makes sense - I can update it for you, did you intend to do the 2:2 swap with Khell AFTER your trade refresh so that you ended up with 2:4 and 4TGs?

Yep.

I thought Secondaries had to be the first part of a turn (before any trades and before any actions) ?

Hmmm, I think we probably did that last game. I don't think it makes a difference, though, does it? Technically people can trade at any point during their turn, does it make a difference if it's before, during or after secondaries?

It would keep things closer to the "real" game. In a tabletop game, you perform the secondaries in-between your turns, after all.

Sure, but couldn't the active player trade after activating the Trade primary, let's say, but before others activate the secondary?

[Galactic Council]

Just asking so I can make a ruling on how it'll be played on here going forward.

Whether Tapper trades during or after secondaries doesn't make any difference to his turn, so it'll just affect people going forward.

[Galactic Council]

Game map has been updated to include Tatts and Twelve's moves, as well as removing the infantry I accidentally left on Centauri and tapping the politics card.

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

Sure, but couldn't the active player trade after activating the Trade primary, let's say, but before others activate the secondary?

Yes. But the non-active players would not be able to. So if you think the player holding TRADE is going to use it next, you need to use up your commodities before the end of your turn. You won't have the opportunity to trade away your remaining commodities before refreshing at the start of your turn (which would be in-between your two turns in a tabletop game)... unless of course you find someone to trade with you on *their* turn.

[Gnaw]

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 09:47 PM, said:

Just asking so I can make a ruling on how it'll be played on here going forward.

Whether Tapper trades during or after secondaries doesn't make any difference to his turn, so it'll just affect people going forward.

I very like the way we've been doing it.

[Gnaw]

D, on 22 July 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

Sure, but couldn't the active player trade after activating the Trade primary, let's say, but before others activate the secondary?

Yes. But the non-active players would not be able to. So if you think the player holding TRADE is going to use it next, you need to use up your commodities before the end of your turn. You won't have the opportunity to trade away your remaining commodities before refreshing at the start of your turn (which would be in-between your two turns in a tabletop game)... unless of course you find someone to trade with you on *their* turn.

I don’t have time to make my point on this but I very disagree.

[Galactic Council]

D, on 22 July 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

Sure, but couldn't the active player trade after activating the Trade primary, let's say, but before others activate the secondary?

Yes. But the non-active players would not be able to. So if you think the player holding TRADE is going to use it next, you need to use up your commodities before the end of your turn. You won't have the opportunity to trade away your remaining commodities before refreshing at the start of your turn (which would be in-between your two turns in a tabletop game)... unless of course you find someone to trade with you on *their* turn.

Right, so then there's no issue as it was Tapper's turn and he was the one initiating trades.

People currently aren't allowed to initiate trades unless it's their turn, that remains the same, but I'll allow trades to be done during any point of a person's turn. So if someone thinks that someone's going to use the Trade primary and they still have commodities, they'll still have to try to get rid of them before it's activated, be that by trading with the person activating Trade BEFORE Trade is activated, or with someone else who goes before that person.

[Galactic Council]

Oh wait... I see what you're saying.

[Galactic Council]

Welp, at this point it's been done so many times that we'd have to edit a good number of posts, which would require a bunch of action retconning, so we'll continue doing it the way we have been doing it - i.e. a trade can be initiated at any point during a person's turn, including before, during, or after activation of secondaries (which otherwise still need to be the first thing happening on a person's turn).

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 09:59 PM, said:

Welp, at this point it's been done so many times that we'd have to edit a good number of posts, which would require a bunch of action retconning, so we'll continue doing it the way we have been doing it - i.e. a trade can be initiated at any point during a person's turn, including before, during, or after activation of secondaries (which otherwise still need to be the first thing happening on a person's turn).

Aye, np. I think this was something I wanted to/tried to instate at the start of last game but got too overwhelmed to keep paying attention to.

[Galactic Council]

Gnaw - gonna wait to see if Twelve wants to retreat his cruiser (should it survive) after first round of space combat or not.

[Gnaw]

Galactic Council, on 22 July 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

Gnaw - gonna wait to see if Twelve wants to retreat his cruiser (should it survive) after first round of space combat or not.

The space cannons fire before he can retreat.