[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 05:15 PM, said:

That was a waste of warfare Khell, you can only move 1 space?

I don't think so. I read the rules on this, a nebula converts all ships 'normal' movement to 1, but other tech/SC/AC additions can still apply to boost them further.

Really? Weird. If I ever own a physical copy of 4th edition I'm definitely house-ruling it back to the old way. IMO, that makes Nebulas way too good.

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

In any case, that's not the primary reason I did that. I'm actually using it more for the +1 to combat. I'm getting increasingly paranoid that a play for Mecatol will be made this round.

Anyone got the AC list handy? Does 4th edition have an AC to remove an enemy PDS? I could see someone going for MR if they had that.

If not, well I hope you'll remember my generosity in giving you a free refresh

[Gnaw]

IH, what are the odds you'll trust me when I ask for your racial. It really is in your best interest that I move the alpha wormhole.

Edit: but almost certainly won’t move it until after you say ok.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 19 September 2018 - 06:37 PM

[Tattersail_]

D'rek I did assume you'd be moving out of Lazar first turn as per our agreement.

I'll read up on this affair.

[Tattersail_]

Yes Twelve, you changed D'rek to playing Trade first turn which means she cannot move out of Lazar which means I cannot move into Lazar.

She explicitly said she'd not be giving refreshes to the leaders.

D, on 18 September 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

twelve, on 18 September 2018 - 05:14 PM, said:

It's really the only way I have anything I can use to spend

Hmm. Well it probably wouldn't cause too much trouble if I did it early. How about I play it early (probably 2nd turn, maybe 3rd if something requiring immediate response happens at T2) and in exchange you don't play Logistics the same turn as Tatts plays Technology?

twelve, on 18 September 2018 - 05:14 PM, said:

and it also depends on if you will be giving out free refreshes to Morgoth and Nom so I can cash in on their trade agreement pns.

Definitely not. The sooner their TAs are cashed, the sooner they are gaining commodities again, and considering their current VP scores I want them to have as many obstacles as possible. I won't give them free refreshes unless I were to gain something that I feel gives me enough benefit towards catching up to them than not giving them a free refresh hopefully slows them down. Though I expect at least one of them will just pay the CT to refresh, anyway.

D, on 18 September 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

Or I could play TRADE turn 1 if you changed your terms with Tatts such that he doesn't need to clear out of Thibah turn 1 (and he is also okay with it).

Tattersail_, on 18 September 2018 - 06:17 PM, said:

Twelve if you want to stall a turn then I have an action card you can play, it means I move out turn 2 if that's acceptable.

The only caveat I have is that you play it on Mansa 3 as that is what I was planning to do.

twelve, on 18 September 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

This would be acceptable.

You'll be getting my commodities still.

So I'll transfer you the AC which I was going to use to stall a turn, for you to play on Mansa 3.

D'rek you will be moving out of Lazar on your next turn?

[Galactic Council]

D, on 19 September 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

Anyone got the AC list handy?

Here you go!

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 06:42 PM, said:

D'rek I did assume you'd be moving out of Lazar first turn as per our agreement.

I'll read up on this affair.

I thought you and twelve had worked it out that it could be turn 2? (He wanted trade played right away and was willing to wait on thibah for 1 turn to get it, your AC let him do that)

In any case, yes, it'll be next thing

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 19 September 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

D, on 19 September 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

Anyone got the AC list handy?

Here you go!

Thanks!

Yup, Cripple Defenses.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 19 September 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

Tatts since D'rek didn't refresh any of my other trade agreement pns, I have no desire to help her out. Our original deal is still in effect and you can keep that action card as I no longer wish to stall. You can give it to me and I'll us it as you want but it won't be on turn 1

It is my turn and I am holding out for a response from you. Blend has my provisional which includes me refreshing and also exchanging that AC.

[twelve]

D, on 19 September 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

Twelve, you wanted me to play Trade early (which I had not been planning to do). We negotiated that I would do so as long as {a} you don't play Logistics right after Tatts plays Tech later in this round, and {b} Tatts was okay with me delaying my move out of Lazar by one turn.

If you're reneging on what you and Tatts had worked out such that condition {b} is no longer met, that's deceitful on your part. I still expect both {a} and {b} in exchange for my having played Trade right away, which is (unambiguously) what you said you wanted.

You did bring up granting certain free refreshes later, but you never gave any indication that you now considered that to be part of the previous deal (the terms of which were already concluded), nor did you ever offer anything for those free refreshes, you just said you wanted them with no offer.

Yes I wanted you to play trade early and you listed your terms to do so. I never agreed to those terms. Me asking for the free refreshes was me still negotiating the terms of using trade early. I should had been more clear of that fact and my negotiations with Tatts was to be so I could accommodate him helping you out. To me that was price enough for you using trade early. It was also us working out if the trade was even possible as I'm limited on my actions.

Not getting those refreshes is costing me getting on the board points wise this round and it was my fault for not pushing that instead of just (in my mind) dropping the negotiations. Now If Tatts gives me the card to stall I could still do that and allow you 2 to do what you need to do but I'll play logistics when I'm good and ready to play it. If it works out for you then great if not then I apologize for any misunderstanding. There was no intention of being deceitful on my part.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 07:33 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 September 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

Tatts since D'rek didn't refresh any of my other trade agreement pns, I have no desire to help her out. Our original deal is still in effect and you can keep that action card as I no longer wish to stall. You can give it to me and I'll us it as you want but it won't be on turn 1

It is my turn and I am holding out for a response from you. Blend has my provisional which includes me refreshing and also exchanging that AC.

I'll still stall with your action card but my full response to my trade negotiations with D'rek has already been posted. Her using trade early without the refreshes was a no deal for me. My fault for not communicating that on thread but whatever.

[Khellendros]

I don't understand your Warfare secondary Tatts. How are those cruisers getting to those places?

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 19 September 2018 - 08:06 PM

[Morgoth]

Things are definitely happening

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't understand your Warfare secondary Tatts. How are those cruisers getting to those places?

Was wondering that myself.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't understand your Warfare secondary Tatts. How are those cruisers getting to those places?

Warfare secondary Khell, move up to 2 ships to empty systems

[Tattersail_]

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 08:29 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't understand your Warfare secondary Tatts. How are those cruisers getting to those places?

Warfare secondary Khell, move up to 2 ships to empty systems

From unactivated systems to empty systems or systems that you control.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 08:29 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't understand your Warfare secondary Tatts. How are those cruisers getting to those places?

Warfare secondary Khell, move up to 2 ships to empty systems

From unactivated systems to empty systems or systems that you control.

We had this last game, it's not a teleportation device. Movement still applies.

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 08:29 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't understand your Warfare secondary Tatts. How are those cruisers getting to those places?

Warfare secondary Khell, move up to 2 ships to empty systems

From unactivated systems to empty systems or systems that you control.

We had this last game, it's not a teleportation device. Movement still applies.

I.e. the only place any ships from Thibah can go is Everra. And, strangely enough, I’ve got little problem with that.

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 19 September 2018 - 08:46 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 19 September 2018 - 08:29 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 19 September 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't understand your Warfare secondary Tatts. How are those cruisers getting to those places?

Warfare secondary Khell, move up to 2 ships to empty systems

From unactivated systems to empty systems or systems that you control.

We had this last game, it's not a teleportation device. Movement still applies.

I.e. the only place any ships from Thibah can go is Everra. And, strangely enough, I’ve got little problem with that.

Are we sure movement still applies? I've read a couple of threads that say different?

[Gnaw]

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49.8 ABILITY MOVEMENT49.9 If an ability moves a unit outside of the “Movement” step of a tactical action, players follow the rules specified by that ability; neither a unit’s move value nor the rules specified above apply.

The wording on the card states “move” so movement rules apply. IMHO.

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 19 September 2018 - 09:32 PM, said:

Quote

49.8 ABILITY MOVEMENT49.9 If an ability moves a unit outside of the “Movement” step of a tactical action, players follow the rules specified by that ability; neither a unit’s move value nor the rules specified above apply.

The wording on the card states “move” so movement rules apply. IMHO.

Exactly. I read that and the secondary as I can move 2 ships to any empty system or system I control.