[Gnaw]

Tattersail_, on 11 September 2018 - 08:59 PM, said:

Which would be Drek if IH is nominated.

Twelve, what's the likelihood of me getting the crown agenda?

Gnaw do you object to me making a deal with Twelve which includes your ceasefire?

I think we will go the whole game trying to take Twelve's home system but the chaos he can bring to the table may be welcome at this stage. Giving him a path to mec rex is what he wants.

The problem is that Twelve’s terms leave me in the position that I wanted to avoid by attacking him in the first place: stuck in 5 systems with nowhere to go.

[Tattersail_]

So what do you propose, counter offer?

Twelve, I was planning on getting expanding borders on my 3rd turn roughly

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 11 September 2018 - 09:50 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 11 September 2018 - 08:59 PM, said:

Which would be Drek if IH is nominated.

Twelve, what's the likelihood of me getting the crown agenda?

Gnaw do you object to me making a deal with Twelve which includes your ceasefire?

I think we will go the whole game trying to take Twelve's home system but the chaos he can bring to the table may be welcome at this stage. Giving him a path to mec rex is what he wants.

The problem is that Twelve’s terms leave me in the position that I wanted to avoid by attacking him in the first place: stuck in 5 systems with nowhere to go.

You are still thinking like this game is similar to eclipse. At this point you only have 1 objective where you being stuck in those 5 systems would even matter, corner the market. Every other public objective out there having territory doesn't mean a thing. Intimidate council could be troublesome with Khell parked where he is at but he is bound to move 1 or both of his fleets and you can swoop in afterwards if that is what you want to focus on next. And at this point you will probably be encourage to pick off IH's territories as he is currently one of the points leaders anyway. And waaaay back in the day he offered you Lodd Eru so just take it already. So there you go, exchange Everra for Lodd Eru and go from there.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 11 September 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

So what do you propose, counter offer?

Twelve, I was planning on getting expanding borders on my 3rd turn roughly

Well with or without a deal my first action is likely to be to attack Thiabah as I'm limited on actions. And you would need Imperial to score it before the next stays phase and I just don't have the abiliry to stall.

[twelve]

Gnaw, plus you have a wormhole right next to your homeworld. With IH's pn you can go just about anywhere. I'm the one that has literally no where to go.

[Galactic Council]

Morgoth - please review your CTs in your Status Phase post.

I believe you should be at 3/3/6.

[Tattersail_]

Galactic Council, on 11 September 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

Morgoth - please review your CTs in your Status Phase post.

I believe you should be at 3/3/6.

Spent 3 on lead from the front

[Galactic Council]

Tattersail_, on 11 September 2018 - 10:43 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 11 September 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

Morgoth - please review your CTs in your Status Phase post.

I believe you should be at 3/3/6.

Spent 3 on lead from the front

Oh yeah, duh! Thanks!

[Galactic Council]

Khellendros, on 11 September 2018 - 09:17 PM, said:

Left is clockwise is it not? I think the card says it should go to Morgoth if IH is elected.

Yes, sorry, my mistake. For some reason in my head left was counter-clockwise.

If, for example, IH gets elected for that agenda, then Morgoth would indeed get the speaker token.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 11 September 2018 - 09:35 PM, said:

Damn this new agenda is nowhere near as fun as the old one

Blend what is the ruling re crown? Who gets it if khell is elected? What would tapper need to do to gain control over it?

Khell gets it if he is elected, but as soon as someone takes a planet in his home system, that player would then get it. Tapper would have to lose one of the planets (at which point the VP would pass to whoever took it) then retake it in order to get the card from Khell.

[Khellendros]

Galactic Council, on 11 September 2018 - 10:48 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 11 September 2018 - 09:35 PM, said:

Damn this new agenda is nowhere near as fun as the old one

Blend what is the ruling re crown? Who gets it if khell is elected? What would tapper need to do to gain control over it?

Khell gets it if he is elected, but as soon as someone takes a planet in his home system, that player would then get it. Tapper would have to lose one of the planets (at which point the VP would pass to whoever took it) then retake it in order to get the card from Khell.

Not quite, as I would no longer have the card. The person who took the planet from Tapper would then have to lose a planet in their own home system in order to lose the card.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 11 September 2018 - 10:51 PM

[Khellendros]

So vote Saar for Emphidian of the Year!

[Galactic Council]

Khellendros, on 11 September 2018 - 10:50 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 11 September 2018 - 10:48 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 11 September 2018 - 09:35 PM, said:

Damn this new agenda is nowhere near as fun as the old one

Blend what is the ruling re crown? Who gets it if khell is elected? What would tapper need to do to gain control over it?

Khell gets it if he is elected, but as soon as someone takes a planet in his home system, that player would then get it. Tapper would have to lose one of the planets (at which point the VP would pass to whoever took it) then retake it in order to get the card from Khell.

Not quite, as I would no longer have the card. The person who took the planet from Tapper would then have to lose a planet in their own home system in order to lose the card.

Oh yes, good point, sorry! This is correct!

[Morgoth]

So, how are we to deal with this new agenda? Tatts, I owe you some votes here, so where would you like them to go?

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 11 September 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

So I hold votes from IH, Morgoth, Nom, Tatts and D'rek and I likely have an interest in the outcome of the crown objective. But I'm not doing any dealings regarding that until Gnaw and Tatts sit their asses down and work out a deal with me. Gnaw has been mostly absent since his Kamakazi on my homeworld so this will likely hold up thinges even more.

So Tatts, To let bygones be bygones I propose as your first action be to vacate every unit but a destroyer from Thiabah and you give me Gnaw's ceasefire and your political secrets pn and also agree to not cross past the west border of that system extended North without negotiating in advance. In return I'll let by goes be bygone, not move east of traded system without permission along with my ceasefire pn.

Gnaw for lasting peace I require Everra and the Meer system returned, pds fire across that border be turned off no crossing east of the border without permission first. I'll agree to let bygones be bygones, not cross the western border without permission and agree to help Tatts score the Crown objective for a fair price. I believe that was your goal for the remainder of the game as well.

I know my price is a bit high but very fair and reasonable to not hold a grudge. Feel free to counter but the only way I'm willing to ignore you 2 and still allow Tatts a shot at winning is if all 4 planets are vacated for me to take. That part of the deal is not negotiable.

Firstly if you attack Thibah with my ships and infantry there then it'll be a lot harder for you to take the planet and you may lose ships. I was planning on taking Imperial and getting the expand borders VP in this round and go for another VP later in the round. However if we are going to make a deal that will disrupt my plans significantly. So I will give a proposal back that hopefully suits us both, short and long term.

You give me your support for the Throne, which ensures I'll not be attacking you again this game and nets me a VP
You give me a trade PN equivalent to 4TG's

I give you Gnaw's Ceasefire
My trade PN which nets you +2TG
I give you 1 action card per round for 3 rounds starting this round.

I move all my ships and infantry out of Thibah on my first turn, hopefully after D'rek has moved her dread or if I go before her then into the empty hex with Gnaw's destroyer and i'll pay him the 1 TG for the loss.


I will agree to not cross past the west border of Sakalug extended North without negotiating in advance. You also agree to not move east of traded system without permission. I do not require your ceasefire PN as you can keep that to negotiate future deals. I trust that you'll keep your word as you've been a stickler for adhering to deals.


If you help me gain the Crown Agenda then that'd be a bonus but I don't expect you to. The VP from your SftT is adequate enough as I was only planning 1 VP this round.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 12 September 2018 - 06:02 AM, said:

So, how are we to deal with this new agenda? Tatts, I owe you some votes here, so where would you like them to go?

It depends on who is points leader, I think one of the top guys will need to be slowed down but not given it much thought right now. I'd like your votes to go on me for Crown agenda.

[Morgoth]

Tattersail_, on 12 September 2018 - 07:42 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 12 September 2018 - 06:02 AM, said:

So, how are we to deal with this new agenda? Tatts, I owe you some votes here, so where would you like them to go?

It depends on who is points leader, I think one of the top guys will need to be slowed down but not given it much thought right now. I'd like your votes to go on me for Crown agenda.

I specifically promised votes to you on the wormhole agenda. There's a new agenda now, but I figured the spirit of the deal should leave you with the votes for that.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

The Creuss are specifically immune, so they'd still be able to use them.

So to be clear you are offering all your votes on the agenda and outcome that I want?

No, I'm offering not to put my votes against you. If I were to offer all my votes for you to use I would demand more than 2 tgs.

So how about 4 of your 13 votes towards an outcome on an agenda I want?

So if I want For voted on you'll place 4 votes on for, as an example.

Hm, I can accept that.

Meaning I accept that deal.

I gave an example of the wormhole agenda, but an agenda I want was what you accepted.

[Morgoth]

huh you're right. I clearly wasn't paying attention.

[Imperial Historian]

Tatts I was going to move the beta wormhole to mansa 3 in order to evacuate it, but now realise you may not want that. Would you prefer I evacuate it or not move the wormhole?