[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

The Creuss are specifically immune, so they'd still be able to use them.

So to be clear you are offering all your votes on the agenda and outcome that I want?

No, I'm offering not to put my votes against you. If I were to offer all my votes for you to use I would demand more than 2 tgs.

So how about 4 of your 13 votes towards an outcome on an agenda I want?

So if I want For voted on you'll place 4 votes on for, as an example.

Hm, I can accept that.

Meaning I accept that deal.

Okay then deal.

[Morgoth]

If I can't accept the tg and pass at the same time I'm playing an action card. I wasn't sure about the rules since we're playing in a way that's not entirely the same as what the rules are based around.

[Khellendros]

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

If I can't accept the tg and pass at the same time I'm playing an action card. I wasn't sure about the rules since we're playing in a way that's not entirely the same as what the rules are based around.

I think there is precedent for accepting/giving PNs/trade goods and passing on the same turn, so I think you can do it (as the trading takes place before anything else, including your pass).

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 06 September 2018 - 11:06 AM

[Khellendros]

So Tatts, which way do you think you'll go with this?

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 September 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

So Tatts, which way do you think you'll go with this?

What's your opinion? Genuinely interested. I think immediately I have no intention of using a wormhole but later on it may be imperative.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 September 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

So Tatts, which way do you think you'll go with this?

What's your opinion? Genuinely interested. I think immediately I have no intention of using a wormhole but later on it may be imperative.

Exactly the same really. IH's offer to me would become void, but in exchange I get to keep my Mecatol PDS, plus I wouldn't have to expend brain power figuring out if I even want to take that deal or just hang around Mecatol.

I suspect FOR would pass. People hate the surprise factor of wormholes more than they like their movement potential.

[Tattersail_]

Not sure who is or who isn't getting pillaged so speak up..

Khell, I'd give you 1 TG for 2 votes on that agenda?
@Tapper

What are your thoughts on the wormhole agenda? I'd give you an action card for 4 of your votes on that agenda.

Edit - just in case the agenda does not appear then your 2 or 4 votes on an agenda of my choice..

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 06 September 2018 - 11:33 AM

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

Not sure who is or who isn't getting pillaged so speak up..

Khell, I'd give you 1 TG for 2 votes on that agenda?
@Tapper

What are your thoughts on the wormhole agenda? I'd give you an action card for 4 of your votes on that agenda.

Edit - just in case the agenda does not appear then your 2 or 4 votes on an agenda of my choice..

I am currently not being pillaged.

As for your offer: it is tempting to accept, because I don't feel strongly one way or another. On the other hand, I currently hold 6 action cards, draw 2 more, and 1 from you would lead to 2 discards end of turn, so the card you offer me should either be playable straight away or be better than 2 cards I currently hold. I also do not look forward to having to commit votes to a different agenda if this one is Quashed or Vetoed - might be that the vote you call me in on, is one I want to win .

In other words, it all depends on the card.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 06 September 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

Not sure who is or who isn't getting pillaged so speak up..

Khell, I'd give you 1 TG for 2 votes on that agenda?
@Tapper

What are your thoughts on the wormhole agenda? I'd give you an action card for 4 of your votes on that agenda.

Edit - just in case the agenda does not appear then your 2 or 4 votes on an agenda of my choice..

I am currently not being pillaged.

As for your offer: it is tempting to accept, because I don't feel strongly one way or another. On the other hand, I currently hold 6 action cards, draw 2 more, and 1 from you would lead to 2 discards end of turn, so the card you offer me should either be playable straight away or be better than 2 cards I currently hold. I also do not look forward to having to commit votes to a different agenda if this one is Quashed or Vetoed - might be that the vote you call me in on, is one I want to win .

In other words, it all depends on the card.

The card I can offer is Skilled Retreat. I see your predicament there. How about you wait until I draw two myself and give you a selection to choose from next round?

[Gnaw]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

Tapper, on 06 September 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

Not sure who is or who isn't getting pillaged so speak up..

Khell, I'd give you 1 TG for 2 votes on that agenda?
@Tapper

What are your thoughts on the wormhole agenda? I'd give you an action card for 4 of your votes on that agenda.

Edit - just in case the agenda does not appear then your 2 or 4 votes on an agenda of my choice..

I am currently not being pillaged.

As for your offer: it is tempting to accept, because I don't feel strongly one way or another. On the other hand, I currently hold 6 action cards, draw 2 more, and 1 from you would lead to 2 discards end of turn, so the card you offer me should either be playable straight away or be better than 2 cards I currently hold. I also do not look forward to having to commit votes to a different agenda if this one is Quashed or Vetoed - might be that the vote you call me in on, is one I want to win .

In other words, it all depends on the card.

The card I can offer is Skilled Retreat. I see your predicament there. How about you wait until I draw two myself and give you a selection to choose from next round?

Either of you have a Direct Hit, Morale Boost, and/or Shields Holding that you’d care to part with?

[Gnaw]

Or Nom. That experimental battle Station?

[Imperial Historian]

Gnaw, on 06 September 2018 - 08:50 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

well, we're right on the cusp anyway so I might as well tell you.

One blocks all travel through a and b wormholes, the other destroys all pds in, or bordering a system with a wormhole.

Now I wish I hadn’t moved that wormhole. D’rek losing 3 PDS would be amusing.

Interesting, especially as I have the option of moving one of my wormholes in the status phase.

[Gnaw]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 10:11 AM, said:

I just read up on it to be more clear about things.

If it passed then D'rek will be stuck in Mallice with those ships with a vengeful IH and a wormhole near her front door, so she would certainly want to vote Against. She will only lose one PDS.

Nom, Khell and Tapper will lose a PDS if they vote against but will lose movement if they vote For.

Morgoth, myself and Twelve lose nothing but also gain nothing.

Gnaw would lose 2 PDS if he votes against but have added security if he votes For.

IH gains a big advantage if the vote passes.


IH would want For, Gnaw would want For, Tapper may want For as he has a great defensive position, given that Nom has not used a wormhole yet and is sitting on one, he would prefer no one to come through it and may vote For. Khell wouldn't want his PDS to be destroyed but is sitting on a wormhole. He could go either way seems as someone could attack Rex at any point.

D'rek would want to vote against, but I assume it's no big deal for her to replace those dreads in a round or so.

So on this particular agenda with influence as it stands.
Definitely For

22 votes

Possibly/More likely For

22 votes

Possibly against

17 votes

Neutral

21 votes

Not as clear cut as I thought

Tatts, Ih might be AGAINST. He can’t sell his racial if it passes.

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 06 September 2018 - 01:33 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 06 September 2018 - 08:50 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

well, we're right on the cusp anyway so I might as well tell you.

One blocks all travel through a and b wormholes, the other destroys all pds in, or bordering a system with a wormhole.

Now I wish I hadn't moved that wormhole. D'rek losing 3 PDS would be amusing.

Interesting, especially as I have the option of moving one of my wormholes in the status phase.

Either Nevant or Gwynan would cost her 3. And, after all, she is fussing about it being in Starpoint...*


*of corse, leaving the B where it's at and moving the A would cost her 4 PDSII....

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 06 September 2018 - 01:38 PM

[Gnaw]

Hmmm. Seems like a VERY good opporknockity for extortion.

[D'rek]

Bear in mind that IH can/will move one of the wormhole tokens during the Status Phase. That will change what systems are affected. Probably he will move one to Nevant in order to destroy 3 of mine and 2 of Tapper's PDSs.

This is why I hate that Agenda... no matter which way it resolves Creuss always get a huge win out of it. It'd really be better to just quash it...

edit: xpost^^ see

This post has been edited by D'rek: 06 September 2018 - 01:42 PM

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

Tapper, on 06 September 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

Not sure who is or who isn't getting pillaged so speak up..

Khell, I'd give you 1 TG for 2 votes on that agenda?
@Tapper

What are your thoughts on the wormhole agenda? I'd give you an action card for 4 of your votes on that agenda.

Edit - just in case the agenda does not appear then your 2 or 4 votes on an agenda of my choice..

I am currently not being pillaged.

As for your offer: it is tempting to accept, because I don't feel strongly one way or another. On the other hand, I currently hold 6 action cards, draw 2 more, and 1 from you would lead to 2 discards end of turn, so the card you offer me should either be playable straight away or be better than 2 cards I currently hold. I also do not look forward to having to commit votes to a different agenda if this one is Quashed or Vetoed - might be that the vote you call me in on, is one I want to win .

In other words, it all depends on the card.

The card I can offer is Skilled Retreat. I see your predicament there. How about you wait until I draw two myself and give you a selection to choose from next round?

I think it is prudent to wait until we've both drawn during the status phase.

[Gnaw]

D, on 06 September 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

Bear in mind that IH can/will move one of the wormhole tokens during the Status Phase. That will change what systems are affected. Probably he will move one to Nevant in order to destroy 3 of mine and 2 of Tapper's PDSs.

This is why I hate that Agenda... no matter which way it resolves Creuss always get a huge win out of it. It'd really be better to just quash it...

edit: xpost^^ see

And your offer to see it quashed?

[D'rek]

Gnaw, on 06 September 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

D, on 06 September 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

Bear in mind that IH can/will move one of the wormhole tokens during the Status Phase. That will change what systems are affected. Probably he will move one to Nevant in order to destroy 3 of mine and 2 of Tapper's PDSs.

This is why I hate that Agenda... no matter which way it resolves Creuss always get a huge win out of it. It'd really be better to just quash it...

edit: xpost^^ see

And your offer to see it quashed?

It's good policy not to hand a huge advantage to a player that is tied for the lead...?

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 06 September 2018 - 01:32 PM, said:

Or Nom. That experimental battle Station?

I have nothing that can help you in the battle, but barter away and i'll do the trade for you.