[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 02:56 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Siiigh. Could've just asked me to move it Khell...

Sorry, genuinely never even occurred to me. Also, up until the moment I was writing that action and checking the map, I thought it was actually a Creuss destroyer.

Are you planning to occupy the other asteroid field, too?

Well if I did I would hardly tell you! But no, I have no current plans to do so, and even if I did, getting through your PDSIIs would be pretty messy. In fact, I really have no plans of any kind at the moment, a bit lost about what my next steps should be.

Sit on Mecatol Rex and keep trying to get IMPERIAL, I guess. Hard to get that SC when we're at the butt-end of strategy selection order though... though if you attacked Gnaw to get Twelve's racial PN I'm sure he'd be willing to pick it for you

Yes, there is always breaking my word and going in pretty much any direction which takes my fancy - but then what kind of lice-ridden homeless bear-bat would I be?

The kind that amuses me

[Khellendros]

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

I already gave it to him though I'm not sure why exactly. He did say he wod ask me if it was okay by me before he used it.

I had a vague idea at the time about you selecting Warfare (which would not have made it all the way to me, and indeed did not), and then us swapping so I had Warfare and could use it to get through the nebula and attack Tatts - but then Tatts took Trade and I had to make sure to get my TGs - if I couldn't build then I couldn't help you.

[twelve]

I couldn't take anything other than diplomacy else Gnaw could take out my newly minted fleet with Logistics.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 02:56 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Siiigh. Could've just asked me to move it Khell...

Sorry, genuinely never even occurred to me. Also, up until the moment I was writing that action and checking the map, I thought it was actually a Creuss destroyer.

Are you planning to occupy the other asteroid field, too?

Well if I did I would hardly tell you! But no, I have no current plans to do so, and even if I did, getting through your PDSIIs would be pretty messy. In fact, I really have no plans of any kind at the moment, a bit lost about what my next steps should be.

Sit on Mecatol Rex and keep trying to get IMPERIAL, I guess. Hard to get that SC when we're at the butt-end of strategy selection order though... though if you attacked Gnaw to get Twelve's racial PN I'm sure he'd be willing to pick it for you

I already gave it to him though I'm not sure why exactly. He did say he wod ask me if it was okay by me before he used it.

So why would someone want to attack Gnaw for you if you already gave away one of the prizes you promised...?

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

I already gave it to him though I'm not sure why exactly. He did say he wod ask me if it was okay by me before he used it.

I had a vague idea at the time about you selecting Warfare (which would not have made it all the way to me, and indeed did not), and then us swapping so I had Warfare and could use it to get through the nebula and attack Tatts - but then Tatts took Trade and I had to make sure to get my TGs - if I couldn't build then I couldn't help you.

but now that's off the table due to our deal

I knew you were, I also suspected Morgoth was too, that's why he was asking D'rek to be nice, and is poised in Mallice. You're all a gang of nasty attackers that sit under the guise of friendly people. Morgoth's like, "this isn't a Wargame", whilst looking around the table to see who is vulnerable.

[Khellendros]

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

I couldn't take anything other than diplomacy else Gnaw could take out my newly minted fleet with Logistics.

Except you got your Diplomacy rider...

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 31 August 2018 - 12:17 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 04:40 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 31 August 2018 - 04:33 AM, said:

How does that let you reach ensapta?

And more importantly why should I let you attack my friend gnaw and gain a point?

I'm quite happy to sell my PN to let you generate wormholes, or my action card to let you go from a to b, what you do with it is your business, but i'm not just going to move out of the way so you can attack my friend.

Awwwwwwwww

Alright fine, sell them to me.

What are you offering? I value both at 3TG. Give me your racial PN for mine and 3tg or equivalent and I'll play the action card when you want me too.

Yeahhh... no thanks. And dropping me for Gnaw midway through the negotiation, harsh. If that's how it's going to be, I guess that's how it's going to be. Don't expect me to help you stop Morgoth or Nom from winning when we hit the last round, you made this bed for yourself.

[twelve]

D, on 31 August 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 02:56 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

D, on 31 August 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Siiigh. Could've just asked me to move it Khell...

Sorry, genuinely never even occurred to me. Also, up until the moment I was writing that action and checking the map, I thought it was actually a Creuss destroyer.

Are you planning to occupy the other asteroid field, too?

Well if I did I would hardly tell you! But no, I have no current plans to do so, and even if I did, getting through your PDSIIs would be pretty messy. In fact, I really have no plans of any kind at the moment, a bit lost about what my next steps should be.

Sit on Mecatol Rex and keep trying to get IMPERIAL, I guess. Hard to get that SC when we're at the butt-end of strategy selection order though... though if you attacked Gnaw to get Twelve's racial PN I'm sure he'd be willing to pick it for you

I already gave it to him though I'm not sure why exactly. He did say he wod ask me if it was okay by me before he used it.

So why would someone want to attack Gnaw for you if you already gave away one of the prizes you promised...?

The deal has been on the table for 4 rounds. Nothing has come from it and honestly didn't think anything would. And that card was for his home world only.

I'll make sure Khell uses it this round so I have it back if you or anyone else is still interested in my sftt which is the main prize anyway.

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 03:12 PM, said:

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

I couldn't take anything other than diplomacy else Gnaw could take out my newly minted fleet with Logistics.

Except you got your Diplomacy rider...

Not after he took logistics. He could remove his token on Winnu and attack. With my damaged fleet and the ability to bombarded a second time before he attacked I would have lost the fight. By grabbing diplomacy I get to put a second token on Winnu and he can't activate it again this round.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:34 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 03:12 PM, said:

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

I couldn't take anything other than diplomacy else Gnaw could take out my newly minted fleet with Logistics.

Except you got your Diplomacy rider...

Not after he took logistics. He could remove his token on Winnu and attack. With my damaged fleet and the ability to bombarded a second time before he attacked I would have lost the fight. By grabbing diplomacy I get to put a second token on Winnu and he can't activate it again this round.

Does it even work like that?
I'd assume only 1 token could be in a system?

[Tattersail_]

Quote

You discard the extra counter. Page 10 of the rules reference, under Construction.<br style="font-family: verdana, "lucida grande", arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);"><br style="font-family: verdana, "lucida grande", arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);">"After the active player resolves the primary ability of the “Construction” strategy card, each other player, beginning with the player to the left of the active player and proceeding <br style="font-family: verdana, "lucida grande", arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);">clockwise, may place one command token from his strategy pool in any system. If he already has a command token in that system, the spent token is returned to his reinforcements instead. Then, he places either one PDS or one space dock on a planet he controls in that system."

This is the construction one, if someone uses construction secondary on a system that already has a token then the extra token goes back to the reinforcements.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 31 August 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:34 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 03:12 PM, said:

twelve, on 31 August 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

I couldn't take anything other than diplomacy else Gnaw could take out my newly minted fleet with Logistics.

Except you got your Diplomacy rider...

Not after he took logistics. He could remove his token on Winnu and attack. With my damaged fleet and the ability to bombarded a second time before he attacked I would have lost the fight. By grabbing diplomacy I get to put a second token on Winnu and he can't activate it again this round.

Does it even work like that?
I'd assume only 1 token could be in a system?

Twelve means it would go, either:

> Gnaw attacks

or

> Twelve plays Diplomacy
> Gnaw uses Logistics to remove the CT added by Diplomacy
> Gnaw attacks

but with Diplo and the Diplo Rider it would go:

> Diplo Rider puts a Gnaw CT in the system
> Gnaw uses Logistics to remove it
> Twelve uses Diplo to put another one

[twelve]

The wording for the rider and card states everyone places a CT from their reinforcements. So currently everyone has 2 CTS on Winnu. Logistics only allows someone to remove 1.

[Khellendros]

Yeah, except it hasn't gone like that.

It's been

Twelve plays Diplo rider.
Twelve plays Diplomacy.

And Gnaw hasn't removed anything yet.

So I think there's only 1 token there, because the second one would have replaced the first, as it does in Construction?

[Khellendros]

30.2: If a player already has a token there (where Diplomacy is played), they do not place another token.

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yeah, except it hasn't gone like that.

It's been

Twelve plays Diplo rider.
Twelve plays Diplomacy.

And Gnaw hasn't removed anything yet.

So I think there's only 1 token there, because the second one would have replaced the first, as it does in Construction?

Ahh. Then yup, there is only 1 CT there. Bad play, Twelve. Unfortunate.

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 04:13 PM, said:

30.2: If a player already has a token there (where Diplomacy is played), they do not place another token.

So I have 2 effects that specifically state that a player is to remove a token from their reinforcements and the rules then states if a token is already their they don't have to place it?

The whole reason I grabbed diplomacy was to guarantee I would have more tokens than Gnaw could remove.

[D'rek]

Just to be clear - a player will *never* have 2 CTs placed in a system. Any time, for any reason, that a second CT is placed into a system it is placed in reinforcements instead.

edit:

Quote

19.6 If a game effect would place a player’s command token into
a system where he already has one, he returns the second
command token to his reinforcements.

[Khellendros]

I thought you took Diplomacy because you wanted to refresh Winnu to build/get tech/get an influence token, not to try and double stop Gnaw.

[twelve]

D, on 31 August 2018 - 04:18 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 31 August 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yeah, except it hasn't gone like that.

It's been

Twelve plays Diplo rider.
Twelve plays Diplomacy.

And Gnaw hasn't removed anything yet.

So I think there's only 1 token there, because the second one would have replaced the first, as it does in Construction?

Ahh. Then yup, there is only 1 CT there. Bad play, Twelve. Unfortunate.

This rule is bullshit. Would have taken warfare instead if I'd known this. Though sounds like Khell would have taken it from me if I had.