[Galain]

Thyrllan, on 13 June 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 13 June 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 13 June 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

And you're basing this on PS's warning? Wow.

I was doubting Lock's choice of doing the fake reveal now but when I read things like this...

Galain, on 13 June 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

I think Lock is telling the truth - or what they believe the truth to be, which may end up not necessarily being the same thing.

[...]

As there seems to be more reason for Nim to lie in order to defend themselves than there was for Lock to attempt a fake reveal at this juncture.

... I'm starting to appreciate the smarts in that move. Reveal always puts you in advantaged position versus a counter reveal. I mean, just look at the logic of this sentence: there seems to be more reason for Nim to lie in order to defend themselves - well there also seems to be more reason for Nim to tell the truth to defend himself, isn't that right? Eh.

Finally, if Lock is the vampire leader, he's likely to have an LP, which essentially gives him an additional Night of roaming free. Haven't thought about it earlier. Now, what seemed like jumping the gun with a fake reveal makes much more sense.

As I said, I suspect that you may both be telling the truth, which puts us in a bad position. I think that, if I'm wrong in that belief, there's slightly more chance that you are not telling the truth, which is why I voted for you. However this day pans out, I don't have a good feeling about the lynch result.

Are you paying attention? If Nim is not lying, humans are seriously shooting themselves in the foot right now.

Nim would need balls of steel to imply what he's implying if he's lying (because if he's faking, he's the insta-target for person who he's faking)

I have no clue what Lock's game is, but it's certainly detrimental to the non-vampires.

I am paying attention, thanks for asking. I am taking into account what I've read in this game thread, and what I know outside of it (which is to say, nothing for the latter). And from that I have reached my conclusion.

Now both you and Nim are apparently implying that you are implying something with your implying. I do not know what that is. If you want to illuminate the rest of us, then go ahead. From my perspective, Nim has only denied killing Silchas (fine), has posted a unconvincing reason for why Lock might lie at this point (bit more iffy), and suggested that they are some role/have some mechanic reminiscent of the previous game - which I did not play, so it means nothing to me.

I think with either lynch, non-vampires are probably going to end up shooting themselves in the foot. The question is, can we drop it and look at something else, or are we stuck with lynching one of these two?

I can still be convinced for either lynch, but the only way that will happen is if other people actually come on and give their views with regard to this situation

[Merrid]

The one thing that bothers me about the Lock reveal is that he is only sure Nim is not Buffy. How is he sure?

Except for this, I think we should take the chance. Nim's defence is not that convincing and if he CFs innocent, we could take out Nim immediately.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4 with 11 hours and 6 minutes remaining.

There are 8 players still alive: ( Rashan, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Thyrllan, Lock, Nimander Golit,Merrid)

5 votes to lynch 4 to go night

2 votes Nimander (Lock, Galain)
2 votes Lock (Nimander, Thyr)

Players not voted: (Rashan, Kilava, Japan, Thyr, Lock, Nimander, Merrid)

[Nimander Golit]

@Galain:

Galain, on 13 June 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

I think with either lynch, non-vampires are probably going to end up shooting themselves in the foot. The question is, can we drop it and look at something else, or are we stuck with lynching one of these two?

I disagree. I'm convinced Lock is a vampire, maybe even vampire leader (in which case a potential LP gives him another Night of shenanigans) and should be lynched ASAP. If you believe he's not, vote me. Attempting to lynch me is a big mistake, but if you lynch someone else than Lock or me, in the next day town will be in a complete clusterfuck, which is even worse.

[Merrid]

Nimander Golit, on 13 June 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

@Galain:

Galain, on 13 June 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

I think with either lynch, non-vampires are probably going to end up shooting themselves in the foot. The question is, can we drop it and look at something else, or are we stuck with lynching one of these two?

I disagree. I'm convinced Lock is a vampire, maybe even vampire leader (in which case a potential LP gives him another Night of shenanigans) and should be lynched ASAP. If you believe he's not, vote me. Attempting to lynch me is a big mistake, but if you lynch someone else than Lock or me, in the next day town will be in a complete clusterfuck, which is even worse.

A pretty big claim to be making. How do you know Lock is the vampire leader?

[Nimander Golit]

I said I'm convinced he's a vampire and that he may be a leader. Of the latter I'm obviously not sure, but I can only see someone making a big play like his if he knows about the setup enough to do maths and assume it's gonna hand him a win. If he knows more about the setup than others, he must be a power role.

[Kruppe of Darujhistan]

Nimander Golit, on 13 June 2017 - 05:59 PM, said:

I said I'm convinced he's a vampire and that he may be a leader. Of the latter I'm obviously not sure, but I can only see someone making a big play like his if he knows about the setup enough to do maths and assume it's gonna hand him a win. If he knows more about the setup than others, he must be a power role.

This is a hell of a leap of faith you're asking us to make. I'm mostly considering it because Lock so suddenly came out of nowhere with his claims, but your own activity was pretty low at the time too. Neither of you inspire much confidence, to be honest.

FUCK! Sorry...

This post has been edited by Kruppe of Darujhistan: 13 June 2017 - 07:17 PM

[Thyrllan]

Galain, on 13 June 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 13 June 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 13 June 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 13 June 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

And you're basing this on PS's warning? Wow.

I was doubting Lock's choice of doing the fake reveal now but when I read things like this...

Galain, on 13 June 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

I think Lock is telling the truth - or what they believe the truth to be, which may end up not necessarily being the same thing.

[...]

As there seems to be more reason for Nim to lie in order to defend themselves than there was for Lock to attempt a fake reveal at this juncture.

... I'm starting to appreciate the smarts in that move. Reveal always puts you in advantaged position versus a counter reveal. I mean, just look at the logic of this sentence: there seems to be more reason for Nim to lie in order to defend themselves - well there also seems to be more reason for Nim to tell the truth to defend himself, isn't that right? Eh.

Finally, if Lock is the vampire leader, he's likely to have an LP, which essentially gives him an additional Night of roaming free. Haven't thought about it earlier. Now, what seemed like jumping the gun with a fake reveal makes much more sense.

As I said, I suspect that you may both be telling the truth, which puts us in a bad position. I think that, if I'm wrong in that belief, there's slightly more chance that you are not telling the truth, which is why I voted for you. However this day pans out, I don't have a good feeling about the lynch result.

Are you paying attention? If Nim is not lying, humans are seriously shooting themselves in the foot right now.

Nim would need balls of steel to imply what he's implying if he's lying (because if he's faking, he's the insta-target for person who he's faking)

I have no clue what Lock's game is, but it's certainly detrimental to the non-vampires.

I am paying attention, thanks for asking. I am taking into account what I've read in this game thread, and what I know outside of it (which is to say, nothing for the latter). And from that I have reached my conclusion.

Now both you and Nim are apparently implying that you are implying something with your implying. I do not know what that is. If you want to illuminate the rest of us, then go ahead. From my perspective, Nim has only denied killing Silchas (fine), has posted a unconvincing reason for why Lock might lie at this point (bit more iffy), and suggested that they are some role/have some mechanic reminiscent of the previous game - which I did not play, so it means nothing to me.

I think with either lynch, non-vampires are probably going to end up shooting themselves in the foot. The question is, can we drop it and look at something else, or are we stuck with lynching one of these two?

I can still be convinced for either lynch, but the only way that will happen is if other people actually come on and give their views with regard to this situation

If Nim is implying what I think they're implying, then they're already skirting the rule, and i'm not willing to push it farther, and make their claim for them.

But it does seem plausible to me, and it's a hell of a risk assuming they are lying.

[Lock]

Thyrllan, on 13 June 2017 - 08:42 PM, said:

If Nim is implying what I think they're implying, then they're already skirting the rule, and i'm not willing to push it farther, and make their claim for them.

But it does seem plausible to me, and it's a hell of a risk assuming they are lying.

If Nim is implying what you imply they're implying, I'm certain they're lying. Just the reveal itself suggests scum. If he's the vamp leader, he probably has an BP or LP (like he's been suggesting for days). When he doesn't die tonight, he's going to use the fact that Buffy hasn't killed him to claim innocence and try to survive another day. I really think you guys should lynch one of me or Nimander before day times out (when is that anyway?), since my CF should show you I don't have a reason to lie and Nim's CF would probably reveal how much of a dirty liar he is.

[Galain]

I'll be around for the next few hours but won't make it till end of day. Not seeing much to sway me currently as I still have no idea what Nim and Thyrllan are hinting at. But I'm open to discussion.

[Galain]

Okay I've gone through the first Buffy game and I suppose there's probably only one thing that Nim/Thyrllan can be alluding to. Hmm. It's not definitive really, could be a gambit to buy another day/night. I wonder why Lock appears so certain that it's a lie?

Again I go back to the feeling of this being two non-vampires butting heads.

[Nimander Golit]

Lock, on 13 June 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

When he doesn't die tonight, he's going to use the fact that Buffy hasn't killed him to claim innocence and try to survive another day.

I doubt Buffy would kill me.

Lock, on 13 June 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

I really think you guys should lynch one of me or Nimander before day times out (...)

There's one thing we can agree on.

[Nimander Golit]

I'm off to bed. Will be asleep at timeout, but I think I made my case clear.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4 with 3 hours and 25 minutes remaining.

There are 8 players still alive: ( Rashan, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Thyrllan, Lock, Nimander Golit,Merrid)

5 votes to lynch 4 to go night

2 votes Nimander (Lock, Galain)
2 votes Lock (Nimander, Thyr)

Players not voted: (Rashan, Kilava, Jalan, Thyr, Lock, Nimander, Merrid)

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 14 June 2017 - 12:35 AM

[Galain]

Off to sleep.

Remove Vote

Vote Lock


To try and get a lynch.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4 with 2 hours and 32 minutes remaining.

There are 8 players still alive: ( Rashan, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Thyrllan, Lock, Nimander Golit,Merrid)

5 votes to lynch 4 to go night

1 vote Nimander (Lock)
3 votes Lock (Nimander, Thyr, Galain)

Players not voted: (Rashan, Kilava, Jalan, Merrid)

[Thyrllan]

Did half the thread die or smth?




I mean, I know PS said it's a "faction game", but come on!

[Kilava]

If the factions began with 6 humans and 6 vampires, and 3 humans and 1 vampire are dead, then there are 3 humans and 5 vampires left.

I'm trying to decide if Lock's train is now sporting vampires or humans.

I KNOW FOR CERTAIN (if the original distribution was 6 and 6) that there is AT LEAST 1 vampire on Lock's train.

Why would a vampire be on Lock's train when MOST everyone voting Lock says they think Lock is a vampire?

Galain says he thinks the two candidates are both human but he nevertheless would like a lynch.

Regardless, there IS a vampire on the Lock train. I KNOW THIS TO BE A FACT from simple math (if the original distribution was 6:6).

So I ask again - if Lock is a vampire, why is there a vampire on his train?

[Thyrllan]

what prompts you to think we started with 6 and 6?

[Kilava]

Kilava, on 14 June 2017 - 02:28 AM, said:

Galain says he thinks the two candidates are both human but he nevertheless would like a lynch.

If the original distribution was 6:6, Galain and Lock and Nimander cannot all be human. I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.

I can see vampires having the ability to recruit humans, but not the other way around. It's just not the way things work in a supernatural setting. Correct me if I'm wrong.