[Nimander Golit]

I'm trying to picture a world where you are town, Kilava.

In that world, for some reason I can't put my finger on... you being town means Merrid isn't.

Can you show me how Merrid might actually be scum?

[Ampelas]

Kilava
Merrid
Galain (scummiest by far, but I do believe him to be the symp)

[Ampelas]

Kilava, on 15 May 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 15 May 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 May 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

If people think the symp might be dead, then I might believe Galain could be the other killer, one who didn't expect Silchas to wind up the lynch du jour on day 1. The Osseric kill could then subsequently have been a mask - "oh man, I've been shown to be such a dum dum on both counts, woe is me!"


Ampelas, on the other hand, has been under the radar more than most, helped I think by not being on lynch trains.

If I remember right, both were included in the same list of names in Silchas' "this is what I think" list, with Ampelas being highlighted a bit more than Galain.

Actually, not being on lynch trains has called a lot of attention to me. If I hadn't voted or stuck to my guns on who I thought was a best vote, I would agree that not being on the trains is suspect. However, I do keep getting scrutiny and it seems to me that it has boiled down to both meta of my usual game play and how stupid I would be as scum to be so linked to SR.

The problem that I have from my position is that both the main suspects (you and Galain) are claiming that they would be so stupid to be linked to SR in your respective ways.

One of you actually is that stupid/a genius ( ). The trouble is which.

I'm not sure what you mean by, "If I hadn't voted or stuck to my guns on who I thought was a best vote, I would agree that not being on the trains is suspect." Saying that you will switch but then not switching is not sticking to your guns in either direction.
Pretty straight forward. If you have me alted, you know I don't always follow the lynch trains and tend to dog those I think are most likely scum. If I had just sat back and not voted each day, I would say you would be right to be suspicious.

I may end up being wrong on which one of you two is the killer, but overall I know that I have played a good town game. It's easy to depict sensible play and early game uncertainty/hesitation/questioning as scum traits, when in fact it is prudence.


Most recently, I would say that Galain has played the scummier of you two, but unfortunately you haven't been around enough as yet for me to truly judge that.

[Ampelas]

Sorry for the wall of quotes (TL;DR - I thought I remembered Kilava having no trouble with me and thought this 180 was odd. I found the origin point, and it may have to do with that I made a case on him and then voted for him).

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 03:39 AM, said:

Putting all this together, I think Kilava is the best bet. vote Kilava

Perhaps don't stop at day 1. Why not go into day 2 and work out why I'm probably not the killer.Me, I'm thinking Merrid at the moment, but from going back to my original thoughts rather than anything new I've seen yet.

This is one of the first posts after I decide Kilava is our best bet for killer. Note that he says don't stop at day 1, etc etc. Later on, he will go onto say that he comes out of Day 2 into 3 in the spotlight. And when queried as to what I was looking for, he didn't have an answer.

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 06:43 AM, said:

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 03:39 AM, said:

Putting all this together, I think Kilava is the best bet. vote Kilava

Perhaps don't stop at day 1. Why not go into day 2 and work out why I'm probably not the killer.Me, I'm thinking Merrid at the moment, but from going back to my original thoughts rather than anything new I've seen yet.

Yeah being the swing vote on Silchas makes me an ideal partner. Perhaps you've mistaken me for Khell?

That's the thing though. I know it's not me, and I'm sceptical still about it being Ampelas. So that only leaves the option on the table of either a cold-blooded killer (you, Rashan), or one who's apparently been incredibly blatant about defending Silchas (Galain).

"sceptical still about it being Ampelas" Here he plays it safe. Doesn't OMGUS quite yet.

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 09:41 AM, said:

Continuing to read through, I'm now leaning towards Ampelas. I'll try to build up why later, but in one sense it's less them and more because it simply seems more plausible than Rashan or Merrid (or Galain) based on how they have played.For it to be Rashan or Merrid that would have to be some pretty early thinking to divide against their partner. It's certainly not unknown (I've done it for one), but what I'm thinking stops it here is the threat of the BG. At the start of the game it would have seemed extremely difficult for a single killer to win if they had to play most of the game on their own, because you could end up killing yourself with each choice. You'd want that two-killer protective cushion in case of the BG. So I don't see them resolving to sacrifice their partner so easily.

And here is the turn. He discounts the thinking on Merrid, maintains his stance on Galain and shifts to me.

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

Ampelas and Silchas have some cases of distancing (Ampelas early signalling suggestion between Denul and SR, but subsequently dropped in favour of me), Silchas calling Ampelas the most 'tryhard' of Amp, Galain, and Rashan, but it's nowhere near as extreme as the distancing would be between, say, Silchas and Rashan.

This sentence makes no sense. He says we have some "cases of distancing" but then points out all the connections, the most obvious of which was both voting for him. Seems more like SR distancing from Kilava than me.

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

Merrid looks more town than Ampelas on day 1.Ampelas has seemed more towny than Merrid on day 2. Ampelas has never been on a successful lynch train despite being around.Merrid has mainly just told us about how exasperated he is at Nim. Conclusion: It's probably Galain

Funny reversal. We have gone from being ready to vote Merrid now voting me.

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

But if it matters at all, if we were voting today I would vote Ampelas.

Kilava, on 13 May 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

You can't see a symp because you're the symp, who advised the killer to withhold. I'm not sure this is your only post where you say it either.

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Agree and agree on timing out. Cull the herd but I can see the killer witholding. In their interest to lynch. Looks like Monday for next gameday as per Merrid from earlier.

Kilava, on 15 May 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

Yeah, letting the timer run out is an option based on PS' wording...it's kinda what I suggested back when Silchas was lynched, i.e. let the killer play Russian Roulette with us.If we're not doing that, then my vote will be for Ampelas I reckon.

Why bring this up when it didn't work? I mean you bringing this up then and now is almost verging on warning a killer of risks (symp like, though I still like you for killer).

Kilava, on 15 May 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 15 May 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 May 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 15 May 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

The new rule is scum-sided because it punishes town for forcing scum to allow town to live.Not killing town is playing against scum's wincon because killing town is the ENTIRE REASON FOR SCUM'S EXISTENCE. If anyone is getting punished here, it should be scum.I'll see you folks in a couple days.Edit: typo

Lynching scum is town's raison d'etre.

Nothing to hunt when nobody is getting murdered.I'm not budging.

You do you, Nim. The rest of us will play. So I willVote Ampelasand hear everyone's thoughts on that.

And finally a vote. But asking for reassurance, trying not to sound too pushy despite voting for one of the people on his ass the whole game.

[Nimander Golit]

*twitch*

[Ampelas]

Jesus, cut back on the red bulls man.

[Kilava]

As I'm sure I've explained previously, you used to be low on my suspicion list because you were on the same day 1 train as Silchas, and I was focusing more on those who were on Silchas' train. Then, those options got eliminated so I was left with you and Galain.

I no longer suspect Merrid based purely on their play.

I suspected you before Galain because you have played in a way one might find more 'traditionally' scum like. Yet there is compelling reason to think it might be Galain also, not least of which is their behaviour, which doesn't tie into how I know them to play. Still, based less on meta and more on actual play, I would have to finger you as the most suspicious.

Why bring up the timer run out? Well, I didn't. Galain did. So why aren't you using that to accuse him of whatever it is you're trying to accuse me of? Also, I was bringing up Russian roulette in the context of the killer being forced by PS to target someone. But, as Merrid subsequently pointed out, all they have to do is continually target the BG and there's no risk for them. If anything, me not immediately realising that demonstrates that I'm not thinking like a killer.

[Nimander Golit]

Kilava, on 16 May 2017 - 01:21 AM, said:

But, as Merrid subsequently pointed out, all they have to do is continually target the BG and there's no risk for them. If anything, me not immediately realising that demonstrates that I'm not thinking like a killer.

Not really. Simply suggesting not submitting a kill would have the same effect and give you the same "oh yeah hurr durr" response.

It's not advanced scum tactics to leave an obvious observation out there for town to stumble over and then say, "why didn't I think of that?"

You do, however, get town points for holding on to your townread on Merrid when I tempted you with an easy way out of my scum pile.

I think I'd rather lynch Amp today, if that's the direction we're going.

[Rashan]

Galain, on 09 May 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

Osseric, on 08 May 2017 - 07:01 PM, said:

Back and catching up. I for one miss the dragonsecks.

I don't like Nimander's reveal, but without a counter I think we can believe him.

Why is Merrid in a twist over it?

Vote Osseric

This is the type of post I have come to associate with scum especially in a situation like this. Nonchalant acceptance of the reveal because there is no counter and a question aimed at Merrid's play without actually delving deeper into it.

Compare it with say, Denul's jokeyness, Silchas/Merrid's seriousness. This post by Osseric is lacking in town presence. 100% scum.

why no mention of Kilava?

[Rashan]

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:07 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:05 PM, said:

Rashan, on 08 May 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

SR: umm, second vote on a revealed healer: that's just daft. Not only are you voting on the train that Merrid himself expected to get no traction, you are voting a revealed healer . Like, why?

I was obviously trying to catch the scum attempting a quickhammer!

(by scum I mean the whole scum team)

On d-day, sure. On day 1, I'm not sure I buy this reasoning. I wonder if you aren't retconning a reason after finding the pressure diverting on to you instead.

This post, when SR is still at 1 vote makes it unlikely Kilava is really scum. This is the exact same kind of pressure I later apply (albeit much more vigorously).

It's either supremely risky distancing, or genuine town play.

[Rashan]

Ampelas, on 09 May 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

Denul, on 09 May 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:

Sorry about the alt reveal.

@ Ampelas. I know the lyric (from listening to the radio in the 70s and not from the Simpsons) and it was close enough to reference the song.Go bark up some other tree.

So defensive. I was also eying SR, but you seem so much more responsive. Again, keep your panties out of a bunch. If you were a symp, I wouldn't waste time voting you off right away. Not like your death would tell us anything.

This line bothers me. it's all about scum pouncing on a straggler (while diffusing from SR)

-on the other hand, would scum really bring up yet another angle on SR on their own volition?

[Rashan]

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

For the record I have never seen whatever movie it was and I don't remember it from the SImpsons, I know it from a song (where it's not "the loneliest")

remove vote

I don't get Nim's vote on Galain but I don't think me questioning everything Nimander does and I don't get leads anywhere or is much helpful so I'll just leave Nimander be

I need to reread the but it seems like Kilava has managed to stay relatively low despite not being low-poster. Denul's non-commitment warrants attention but his play has not been that much different from mine so they're not that supicious to me.

Galain, Rashan and Ampelas are all serious and sensible, maybe that's not such a bad place to look too. But I admit they all make sense in some way, but Ampelas is giving me the most tryhard feeling of them.

I like Galain's vote on Osserc, although as Rashan points out they have too little posts for my liking, would like to hear more from them.

This post takes subtle jabs at Kilava and Amp, while talking up Galain.

SR eventually votes Kilava (along with Amp, whom he describes as "tryhard")

I previously pointed out how weirdly he twists that line about me, Galain and Osseric to make it sound like I'm blaming osseric, rather than attacking Galain.

[Rashan]

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

Vote Kilava

For playing wishy-washy and trying to stay under the radar, also I considered my jokey tone to be pretty obvious in those posts that Kilava is refering to. Looks like he is aware of it but uses it to frame me.

At this point I'd be willing to switch to Osserc

If I was playing wishy-washy and trying to stay under the radar, not only would I not be among the higher posters, but I certainly would not have come to your attention A weak vote, made all the weaker by your "if Kilava proves too difficult for me to handle, I'm willing to vote elsewhere."


Also,

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Ah I see you do later on address this when asked.

Silchas' reasoning after their vote does not strike me as particularly jokey, and that's what made me suspicious of it.

What's wrong with baiting all 4 of scum to qucikhammer?

FOUR scum?



Edit: 'mad' to 'made', 'to' to 'too'

If Kilava is scum, then they must've spoken to SR and made up their minds to start distancing by this point.

[Rashan]

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

I don't know, Silchas, your 'joke' is just so weak and lame that I'm having trouble seeing you make that joke in the first place - it's almost like you thought up bits about it as you went along and tried to make it all stick together now.

On the other hand, maybe your jokes really are just that bad.

Kilava is really hammering SR now. This is either supremely strong acting (mind, SR is still at L-4 at this point), or Kilava is genuinely not scum.

[Rashan]

Ampelas, on 09 May 2017 - 06:19 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

1:1 is always a town-sided trade.

I also don't really know what you mean by this. Do you mean revealing one town for one scum? But they're not revealed as in confirmed - because the rest of town (and the other roled town) do not know which one to believe.

No. I mean death.1 Town death is a worthy price if it results in a scum kill the next day.1:1 trade.Edit: fu autocorrect

But how would it do that? Your original proposal was that the healer and bodyguard effectively stay alive for the duration of the game by protecting each other through revealing. I'm saying that likely won't work because scum can fake-reveal. So then you change your stance and say that well, we effectively vote to lynch the revealer and the counter-revealer in an effort to get rid of scum. In which case, yes, the scum is dead - but so is the roled town, for the rest of the game. It's not a great trade because the scum who dies is most likely the symp, who doesn't even need to be rid of for town to win the game. So in a sense it would be two days spent talking about that, rather than finding the two killers, no?

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

For what it's worth, I like the gumption - really started the game proper off quickly!

I'm all about game breaking.I don't always have the perfect answer, but that's why the rest of town is here... to help figure that stuff out.

lol, it's like going in the fridge and cupboards, throwing all the ingredients for dinner out all over the kitchen, and then saying, 'well, I've done my part!'

Just because you have the ingredients in front of you, doesn't mean they're being wasted.

No, but why am I always the one who has to clean up?In any case, this could prove useful even without further reveals. Killers aren't now likely to take the risk of targetting you. Which leaves you free to do your thing if you are a healer.

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 04:13 PM, said:

Any town that feels the need to discredit town through such insidious measures are playing directly against their win con.

So anyone who questions or criticises you is scum or working against town, because you're town?And the rest of us know that for certain because...?By that same logic, you accusing me of being scummy is scummy and/or acting against town, because, you know, I'm town myself.

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

Also, in my experience, scum tend to sit off to the sidelines when events like this happen, and let town eat themselves, rather than directly engaging.

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

Galain, on 08 May 2017 - 07:23 PM, said:

Lots of posts, keep them coming. I will look forward to reading up in the morning and getting my teeth stuck into the game. I have not read any of it yet but it looks promising.

Vote Galain Just the kind of thing I would say when I HAVE read all the posts but don't want to interrupt town shouting at each other.

Here is a sampling from Kilava's content. As I said early, he caught my attention as a little too, dare I say it, smooth. The second to last quote really cinches it for me. Isn't that what Kilava was doing up to that point. And the only vote is a case based on what he would do if he was scum?

There isn't much interaction in regards to actual cases (as was pointed out when pressing him for an opinion on Merrid) and what SR may be referring to is the lack of commitment to what other people say (e.g. backing up or tearing down a lynch case). Yes, Kilava was very argumentative with Nim early on, but it was all speculation on mechanics. Nothing really focused on one person or another. Dodgy, even by his own standards I'd say.

vote Kilava

Ampelas actually jumps in right at that moment to attack Kilava, who is asking SR all kinds of questions, leading him to make questionable (?) jokes.

And puts Kilava at equal votes with SR. While following SR's lead.

[Rashan]

Ampelas, on 10 May 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

Rashan, on 10 May 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

What bothers me in your answer is really this: "what would my answer change?"

SR made a case on Kilava being "wishy-washy" and "too smooth" ™

I suggested I wasn't seeing that, but I'd do a re-read.

You were voting kilava at the time. Along with SR.
You claim you were willing to hammer SR. What would me coming back an hour before timeout and saying "look, I totally see why you think Kilava is scum!" would change at that point? Your response suggests you'd then try to turn the lynch off SR and onto Kilava.

Given the CF, that scenario raises almost as many questions as Galain's behaviour.

You think I like being on the train with the killer? I was going for my typical thought process, that killers play middle of the road, stay out of trouble by being overall agreeable without having to commit anything. I saw Kilava as fitting the bill and stood by my case.

I am not sure what else to say? I brought up SR and Denul first thing, looking at both as symps. I then proceeded to search for someone not rocking the boat but not drawing attention as a low poster. If you know who I am, this is my MO.

Looking over Kilava's Day 1 posts right now (and especially the barrage of unpleasant questions directed at SR), I am having a hard time seeing what Amp claims to be seeing in Kilava's behaviour.

Kilava was cagey with the actual vote, true. But there was plenty of aggression in their questions.

[Rashan]

Galain, on 11 May 2017 - 09:12 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 09 May 2017 - 06:19 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

1:1 is always a town-sided trade.

I also don't really know what you mean by this. Do you mean revealing one town for one scum? But they're not revealed as in confirmed - because the rest of town (and the other roled town) do not know which one to believe.

No. I mean death.1 Town death is a worthy price if it results in a scum kill the next day.1:1 trade.Edit: fu autocorrect

But how would it do that? Your original proposal was that the healer and bodyguard effectively stay alive for the duration of the game by protecting each other through revealing. I'm saying that likely won't work because scum can fake-reveal. So then you change your stance and say that well, we effectively vote to lynch the revealer and the counter-revealer in an effort to get rid of scum. In which case, yes, the scum is dead - but so is the roled town, for the rest of the game. It's not a great trade because the scum who dies is most likely the symp, who doesn't even need to be rid of for town to win the game. So in a sense it would be two days spent talking about that, rather than finding the two killers, no?

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

For what it's worth, I like the gumption - really started the game proper off quickly!

I'm all about game breaking.I don't always have the perfect answer, but that's why the rest of town is here... to help figure that stuff out.

lol, it's like going in the fridge and cupboards, throwing all the ingredients for dinner out all over the kitchen, and then saying, 'well, I've done my part!'

Just because you have the ingredients in front of you, doesn't mean they're being wasted.

No, but why am I always the one who has to clean up?In any case, this could prove useful even without further reveals. Killers aren't now likely to take the risk of targetting you. Which leaves you free to do your thing if you are a healer.

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 04:13 PM, said:

Any town that feels the need to discredit town through such insidious measures are playing directly against their win con.

So anyone who questions or criticises you is scum or working against town, because you're town?And the rest of us know that for certain because...?By that same logic, you accusing me of being scummy is scummy and/or acting against town, because, you know, I'm town myself.

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

Also, in my experience, scum tend to sit off to the sidelines when events like this happen, and let town eat themselves, rather than directly engaging.

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

Galain, on 08 May 2017 - 07:23 PM, said:

Lots of posts, keep them coming. I will look forward to reading up in the morning and getting my teeth stuck into the game. I have not read any of it yet but it looks promising.

Vote Galain Just the kind of thing I would say when I HAVE read all the posts but don't want to interrupt town shouting at each other.

Here is a sampling from Kilava's content. As I said early, he caught my attention as a little too, dare I say it, smooth. The second to last quote really cinches it for me. Isn't that what Kilava was doing up to that point. And the only vote is a case based on what he would do if he was scum?

There isn't much interaction in regards to actual cases (as was pointed out when pressing him for an opinion on Merrid) and what SR may be referring to is the lack of commitment to what other people say (e.g. backing up or tearing down a lynch case). Yes, Kilava was very argumentative with Nim early on, but it was all speculation on mechanics. Nothing really focused on one person or another. Dodgy, even by his own standards I'd say.

vote Kilava

Ampelas backs up SR's vote, but is not wholly agreeable with SR throughout the game, maybe good distancing between the two but the fact remain that Amp's vote never hits SR. I'd assume scum would want to be on the scum train though.

Galain, on 11 May 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

Merrid, on 09 May 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

Yes, FOUR (4)

I'm thinking SR is implying NG is helping scum ergo effectively scum too.


Although, reading further on, no, they're actually still not answering why you'd be 2nd vote on a claimed town role.

Vote Silchas Ruin

Here is Merrid pushing SR out ahead in terms of the race for the lynch. 3rd vote on SR is a safe place for scum to hide, he has not shown doubt about SR until this post, and he of all people in this game should understand voting for Nimander as a viable joke vote or protest vote.

2 consecutive posts

"surely, scum would have to be devious enough to get on the partner's train"

"look here, dastardly scum is making their partner's train the best bet for a lynch".

Hmm. I'm starting to really like the idea of Galain as Amp's symp. Need to see how this developed from D2 owards.

[Rashan]

Ampelas, on 11 May 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

Busy morning. In and out, but I have been trying to catch up on reading.

To address Rashan's points, all very astute. All I can say is that originally my Denul comment was made very early on and in passing (if you read it in context, I was doing a first read and noting things that stood out). As for the Kilava case, I was already looking at Kilava long before SR had any semblance of a train, and in the end, I stuck with my case on Kilava not seeing much in the SR case (which of course I was way wrong about).

As for the case on Merrid, I am not sure Rashan why you wouldn't think Merrid would be ballsy enough or smart enough to jump on the train at that point. With it taking only 6 to lynch and with the heat SR was receiving, it was going to take quite a push to remove said interest from SR; so, it makes sense for scum to jump on at that point. Moreover, I still wanted questions answered on Kilava, even if SR was to be lynched, hence me staying where I was and offering to hammer, even though the direction of the lynch was obvious and certain.

For now, I am adding my vote to Merrid, though I still need to continue my read from Galain onward. Maybe end of day today, but I am ramping up to give a presentation tomorrow.

Vote Merrid

Matter of fact, you voted Kilava just when Kilava was pressuring SR

and you voted him for "being wishy-washy"

[Rashan]

Galain, on 11 May 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

BG reveals. Ganeover.

Healer heals BG.

BG Protects Nim.
No way for town to lose now.

Only way we lose is if killer kills BG. So BG needz to be healed.

with 8 players left, it's totally possible for town to still lose.

Hell, with our current 6 players we are still actively pondering the very possibility.

This is a very dumb post.

[Rashan]

Galain, on 11 May 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Thinking on it the killer has to try and kill which would see him die.

Anyway, I am not symp or killer.

No way to prove it though. If I was either why would I blatantly defend Silchas like that. No way either scum would say the things I said and I haven't tried to direct the thread.

I have given my top 3 suspects. They are also everyone else's suspects excluding me. Wtf can I do?

I will just follow Rashans vote. Although Nim is confirmed healer I don't tryst his judgement today. He is convinced of my scum cf/alignment which is 100% wrong. At least you are looking at all possibilities.

I guess the only way to 100% prove I am not the symp is to hammer myself like Mac did a few games ago but you'll be losing a town member with a town cf which means fuck all. Yes so what it proves I am not the symp. I am still dead.

If I have a master who is it? I am willing to vote everyone who isn't Nim, Rashan and Kilava because those three have had best town voices or are confirmed.

That proves nothing, John Snow. that's the whole point of why symp cases are bloody pointless.

Galain is getting very whiny here. He's also now open to suspect half the thread, after his initial. quite dubious case on Merrid.