[Rashan]

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

Even if everyone agrees on the same lynch, we need to go to night.

Agreed.

[Rashan]

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

So...

Looking at the set-up, why should the doctor and bodyguard not claim d1 and target each other?

talking about town rules is scummy

vote nim

Maybe you should tell me why it wouldn't work while you're busy voting me, else it just looks like a filthy scum allegation to hinder set-up breaking

Merrid

I already did.

Not in the post I responded to, obviously.

The symp could just counter-reveal as one of them - then who would the real healer/bodyguard believe and know who to target? Meanwhile we spend a few days trying to work out which is the real roled town and which is the scum, while killers go about their business.


Edit: deleted extraneous 'or'

Here, first mention of a counter.

[Galain]

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

So...

Looking at the set-up, why should the doctor and bodyguard not claim d1 and target each other?

talking about town rules is scummy

vote nim

Maybe you should tell me why it wouldn't work while you're busy voting me, else it just looks like a filthy scum allegation to hinder set-up breaking

Merrid

I already did.

Not in the post I responded to, obviously.

The symp could just counter-reveal as one of them - then who would the real healer/bodyguard believe and know who to target? Meanwhile we spend a few days trying to work out which is the real roled town and which is the scum, while killers go about their business.


Edit: deleted extraneous 'or'

Here, first mention of a counter.

Yes but see the difference?

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

*sigh*

So you've made that call all by yourself. You don't know who the Bodyguard is, if they've checked in or what they might think of your plan. Whilst I applaud you putting the idea out there early on so people can see it because I like to talk mechanics, it would have been much better for you to wait on the reactions of *all 10* players not just the 5 (4+you) who've been active so far. You've tried to force the reveal of a town role, regardless of the thoughts of the person holding that role. You've attempted to dictate the play of the other role purely to ensure your own survival whilst negating any skill on the part of the Bodyguard of correctly predicting who the kill will be. I don't like that.

If there's a counterclaim then I'm voting you first of the two claimants.

Kilava is saying

The symp could counter

Merrid is saying

If the symp counters then I can vote Nimander.

[Galain]

@Kilava this one

Denul, on 09 May 2017 - 12:22 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:43 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 11:30 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:27 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

Please tell me that doesn't actually happen on d1.

Only couple of times a year

What do you mean, those are some of our finest moments!

I know! It sounded sad in my head.

The last time we caught Scum on Day 1 (Blend) I got lynched on Day 2 (or close to it) for hammering!

-----

Regarding Symp coaching: Whether the Symp is a rookie or a grizzled vet, Scum doesn't know who they are one way or the other. It's irrelevant.

[Kilava]

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

So...

Looking at the set-up, why should the doctor and bodyguard not claim d1 and target each other?

talking about town rules is scummy

vote nim

Maybe you should tell me why it wouldn't work while you're busy voting me, else it just looks like a filthy scum allegation to hinder set-up breaking

Merrid

I already did.

Not in the post I responded to, obviously.

The symp could just counter-reveal as one of them - then who would the real healer/bodyguard believe and know who to target? Meanwhile we spend a few days trying to work out which is the real roled town and which is the scum, while killers go about their business.


Edit: deleted extraneous 'or'

Here, first mention of a counter.

Yep, sounds pretty sensible to me.

[Nimander Golit]

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

And frankly, the "healer" has not had any luck proving themselves given the NK every night.

This statement is scummy af because it's true regardless of who flips healer.

Even if I was magically fakeclaiming without a counterclaim ALL THIS TIME, the real healer also failed to protect against the night kill.

Casting shade on the existence of the role itself like this makes absolutely no sense from a game solving standpoint when the role itself is mod-confirmed to exist.

Edit: grammar hammer & censorship

This post has been edited by Nimander Golit: 12 May 2017 - 02:13 PM

[Rashan]

You all have some very sensible posts, and some very questionable posts. I'm fairly sure going to night is the best way to try to sort out some answers at this point.

[Galain]

Agree and agree on timing out. Cull the herd but I can see the killer witholding. In their interest to lynch.

Looks like Monday for next gameday as per Merrid from earlier.

[Nimander Golit]

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Agree and agree on timing out. Cull the herd but I can see the killer witholding. In their interest to lynch.

I'm more stubborn than scum.

I can vote for no lynch longer than they can go without killing because murder is in their blood.

[Galain]

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Agree and agree on timing out. Cull the herd but I can see the killer witholding. In their interest to lynch.

I'm more stubborn than scum.

I can vote for no lynch longer than they can go without killing because murder is in their blood.

Well, if we end up going to night on multiple occasions then make sure that you and Rashan have your orders in. You can put in a provisional with PS to constantly heal Rashan, every night. That way if we vote night you are covered. Same with Rashan but he will know this. Just letting you know cause you're new.

[Galain]

Quick thought, if Rashan and Nimander are about then see about voting night now, before Merrid is about to change his orders. Not saying it will prove anything, but it has the same outcome, we will still be going into the next day in a similar position.

[Rashan]

I'm around more or less for the next 6 hours. So whenever people are good I can vote

[Merrid]

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

Try me, then.

I've decided to wait until everyone spoke up on the idea first. Oh, and I just woke up.

About time too. Don't know about others but I've had you there since D2

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 12:50 PM, said:

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 07:00 AM, said:

After all this I'm not seeing how you end up voting Kilava. Rashan seems to be the read that stands out to you for potential cold play, why no vote there?



Why not vote for Rashan? As I said, a case on him is thinking outside the box, and I would have to stretch really hard to convince myself he was scum. I mainly wanted to make sure I considered everyone that is left, hence putting out reasons why anyone could be scum, even if using pure rational probability, our killer has to be in the suspicious three.

This, to me, says that Amp already figured that Rash was the Bodygurd. Were Amp scum Rash would be dead.

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

There you go. See what Nim has to say about this now.

For me, it is between Amp and Merrid. Amp makes a lot of sense today, and Merrid's activity spiked which can be quite telling.

I'm going to guess he spent a time getting his jaw back off the floor. As for posting spike, you know I do long days, you know I don't do long days at the end of the week. Would you rather I pretended to not be here? Screw that.

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

I frequently speak in absolutes.

Doesn't mean I think or act in absolutes.

Declarations are great for garnering reactions.

Yeah that was the jaw being picked up.

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

I've made no secret that I've been BG-reading Merrid since d1, and I see no town motivation in them allowing me to continue along under that false assumption, considering it left the real BG unprotected which they also well knew.

If I wasn't the healer, I could see them trying to draw the nk... but that's obviously not the case because I've been targeting them every night.

Yeah and I've made no secret of the fact you're playing like a blinkered idiot too. You see no town motivation? Well dur, you don't see anything except your own narrow opinion.

Why do you continue to think the Bodyguard has needed your protection? You're not in here to solely save their ass, you're here to prevent NKs without discovering directly who is carrying them out. You're no good at that we can see. Your single-minded obsession with assigning me something I'm not has a slight benefit - scum have to consider you may be right. So they don't NK me because they're not dumb. What gain is there to scum to hitting someone who is Healed? None. Instead they pick targets out of the remaining smaller pool of players. Bodyguard realises this (right Rash?) because they have a brain and protects someone in that pool each Night, thereby bringing their role to its full town advantage, instant-win on a correct guess. Here's a pin, pop that excessively sized head of yours kiddo.

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

Hey, I got what I wanted.

Yeah because it makes town sense to do this now, not hours into fucking Day 1

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

I've made no secret that I've been BG-reading Merrid since d1, and I see no town motivation in them allowing me to continue along under that false assumption, considering it left the real BG unprotected which they also well knew.

If I wasn't the healer, I could see them trying to draw the nk... but that's obviously not the case because I've been targeting them every night.

There is a counterargument to that, but I'll wait to see what Merrid has to say.

As above, plus the added benefit of getting Nim to have to use their thinkymeats.

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

*sigh*

So you've made that call all by yourself. You don't know who the Bodyguard is, if they've checked in or what they might think of your plan. Whilst I applaud you putting the idea out there early on so people can see it because I like to talk mechanics, it would have been much better for you to wait on the reactions of *all 10* players not just the 5 (4+you) who've been active so far. You've tried to force the reveal of a town role, regardless of the thoughts of the person holding that role. You've attempted to dictate the play of the other role purely to ensure your own survival whilst negating any skill on the part of the Bodyguard of correctly predicting who the kill will be. I don't like that.

If there's a counterclaim then I'm voting you first of the two claimants.

Kilava is saying

The symp could counter

Merrid is saying

If the symp counters then I can vote Nimander.

Yeah because I'd love a chance to lynch them after their play so far that Day. If I could see a genuine way for town to lynch him and win I'd be pushing for it right here right now, rest assured. That's nothing to do with being the healer you realise?

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Agree and agree on timing out. Cull the herd but I can see the killer witholding. In their interest to lynch.

I'm more stubborn than scum.

I can vote for no lynch longer than they can go without killing because murder is in their blood.

Quit with the BS statements please. Game would be called long before that is of any relevance.

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 02:51 PM, said:

Quick thought, if Rashan and Nimander are about then see about voting night now, before Merrid is about to change his orders. Not saying it will prove anything, but it has the same outcome, we will still be going into the next day in a similar position.

*sigh*

I have no need to submit orders because I'm not fucking scum. I do object to thread being rushed however.

[Merrid]

So Kilava and Galain are my two considered options at the moment. Amp clears themselves by realising who Bodyguard is and not killing them. Perhaps Nim needs this explained in small words. Tough shit.

I've got some time before work and also got a list of things I need to do, still prefer a Monday resolution rather than a rush today.

[Kilava]

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

So Kilava and Galain are my two considered options at the moment. Amp clears themselves by realising who Bodyguard is and not killing them. Perhaps Nim needs this explained in small words. Tough shit.

I've got some time before work and also got a list of things I need to do, still prefer a Monday resolution rather than a rush today.

I think you read too much into what Amp said, I wouldn't say it's clear they realised from that post.

[Galain]

That scuppers that idea, because he is here.

[Merrid]

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

That scuppers that idea, because he is here.

Look, if I was scum I'd have had orders in on one of the dodgy 3 of you so it wouldn't have made any difference.

[Merrid]

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

That scuppers that idea, because he is here.

Look, if I was scum I'd have had orders in on one of the dodgy 3 of you so it wouldn't have made any difference.

Plus, have you ever been in PS when I submit a provisional on potential D-Day? Every base is covered.

[Rashan]

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 03:18 PM, said:

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

So Kilava and Galain are my two considered options at the moment. Amp clears themselves by realising who Bodyguard is and not killing them. Perhaps Nim needs this explained in small words. Tough shit.

I've got some time before work and also got a list of things I need to do, still prefer a Monday resolution rather than a rush today.

I think you read too much into what Amp said, I wouldn't say it's clear they realised from that post.

Agreed. I think me spending half of Day 1 bullying everyone into taking a look at SR's behavior may have had something with his estimation of me, rather than him cling in I was BG.

Quite frankly, last night I figured either me or Kilava would be the target, since we seemed like the reasonable ones.

I'm ok with calling night today, purely because I don't see much more to say today.

[Rashan]

"cling" = "clueing"