[Nimander Golit]

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

I was going to vote you, but I believe you since you used an X-Men meme.

[Nimander Golit]

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

There you go. See what Nim has to say about this now.

For me, it is between Amp and Merrid. Amp makes a lot of sense today, and Merrid's activity spiked which can be quite telling.

I frequently speak in absolutes.

Doesn't mean I think or act in absolutes.

Declarations are great for garnering reactions.

[Ampelas]

Ok, caught up to the present. Now to review Kilava day 2:

Kilava, on 11 May 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

Galain makes a lot of noise today about Jalan and Merrid. If they're symp, then the chances of either of those two being killers drops off somewhat I reckon. Now in their analysis today, Galain also starts off with Denul - says some sensible things about them, but then drops that line of thought in favour of Merrid and Jalan. It's like a soft, "now this person could be scummy, but then again maybe not, what do I know?" Galain also seems to gently nudge thinking toward Denul possibly being a symp, i.e. not someone for town to think about lynching curently.

Galain, on 11 May 2017 - 10:06 AM, said:

I was obviously so wrong about SR but that doesn't mean I am off twice in a row :)Merrid > Jalan > Ampelas for killers in my book. 99% sure it isn't Rashan, Kilava, and 100% not Nimander or myself obvz.leaves Denul (he could be SR's partner but his behaviour does not fit)

Is the above re Denul just too blatant? i.e. "he could be SR's partner [psst, Denul, I'm on your side] but his behaviour does not fit".And what Silchas has to say about Denul:

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

Denul's non-commitment warrants attention but his play has not been that much different from mine so they're not that supicious to me.

Denul did some early soft pushing away from Silchas before dropping it. Other than that, their play has mostly been non-serious, only becoming serious when someone raises something about them directly. Even the Jalan "convo" at the end of day 1 was made semi-light heartedly, and they don't go about pushing it (or much else) personally today from what I can see. Vote DenulI think it is either Denul or Jalan (with Galain as the outside so-blatant-its-actually-genius bet). Jalan has said some things which sway me a bit away from them today, so I'm going with Denul.Edit: ] to "

Kilava, you are correct. Your Day 2 play is entirely different. A lot more engaged, a case is presented (and argument for town making cases to boot), your suspicions of people are clear, and you even get a lynch on your candidate, Denul (who I said was a symp).

So there are two ways I am reading you right now.
Way one: You are an excellent townie who has put a lot of effort into day 2 because there is more material to work with, a killer's interactions and death to pursue, and a lot more participation from everyone involved.
Way two: You have been called out as being "smooth" and "wishy washy". As a result, your day 2 play is more robust and firm, leaving no question that you are thinking, pursuing and executing. This is also a scum pattern (lay low on day 1 and then come out as townie in brute force on day 2).

Forgive my skepticism as well. I am a little biased because you defended me quite a bit on Day 2, and I have been burned by snuggles before. I still remember this one game where everything was working swimmingly and I was warmly surprised to have someone supporting and complementing my ideas. Iirc, it was Khell, and he was scum. That's why I trust the assholes the most (looking at you Nim).

[Nimander Golit]

I've made no secret that I've been BG-reading Merrid since d1, and I see no town motivation in them allowing me to continue along under that false assumption, considering it left the real BG unprotected which they also well knew.

If I wasn't the healer, I could see them trying to draw the nk... but that's obviously not the case because I've been targeting them every night.

[Kilava]

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

There you go. See what Nim has to say about this now.

For me, it is between Amp and Merrid. Amp makes a lot of sense today, and Merrid's activity spiked which can be quite telling.

I frequently speak in absolutes.

Doesn't mean I think or act in absolutes.

Declarations are great for garnering reactions.

I absolutely agree with this statement.

[Kilava]

Holy crosspost, Batman.


@ Ampelas: If your reservation about me now is that I've been too supportive of you, then welcome to day 3

[Galain]

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

There you go. See what Nim has to say about this now.

For me, it is between Amp and Merrid. Amp makes a lot of sense today, and Merrid's activity spiked which can be quite telling.

I frequently speak in absolutes.

Doesn't mean I think or act in absolutes.

Declarations are great for garnering reactions.

Quite true. As long as you are flexible. Although if Rashan did not reveal you would still be protecting Merrid.

[Nimander Golit]

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

There you go. See what Nim has to say about this now.

For me, it is between Amp and Merrid. Amp makes a lot of sense today, and Merrid's activity spiked which can be quite telling.

I frequently speak in absolutes.

Doesn't mean I think or act in absolutes.

Declarations are great for garnering reactions.

I absolutely agree with this statement.

Hey, I got what I wanted.

[Nimander Golit]

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

There you go. See what Nim has to say about this now.

For me, it is between Amp and Merrid. Amp makes a lot of sense today, and Merrid's activity spiked which can be quite telling.

I frequently speak in absolutes.

Doesn't mean I think or act in absolutes.

Declarations are great for garnering reactions.

Quite true. As long as you are flexible. Although if Rashan did not reveal you would still be protecting Merrid.

Which is why I showed numerical advantage to claiming today.

Though tbf, Rashan is pretty much the only other player I'd have been likely to believe over Merrid. Other players have made posts that indicated they were not bg.

Edit: stray apostrophe

This post has been edited by Nimander Golit: 12 May 2017 - 01:38 PM

[Ampelas]

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 01:31 PM, said:

Holy crosspost, Batman.


@ Ampelas: If your reservation about me now is that I've been too supportive of you, then welcome to day 3

I hear a threat in that statement. As long as we aren't bosom buddies today, I can live with that. I frequently tell people to give a hard look at me and hate it when we get close to d-day and people say "wait, what about this guy! he's been hiding in plain sight the whole time"

[Galain]

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

I've made no secret that I've been BG-reading Merrid since d1, and I see no town motivation in them allowing me to continue along under that false assumption, considering it left the real BG unprotected which they also well knew.

If I wasn't the healer, I could see them trying to draw the nk... but that's obviously not the case because I've been targeting them every night.

This is also true. Takes into the light him asking the symp to counter reveal as well. Now you "know" he is not BG then you "know" a lot of those earlier posts are now quite suspect.

[Galain]

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

There you go. See what Nim has to say about this now.

For me, it is between Amp and Merrid. Amp makes a lot of sense today, and Merrid's activity spiked which can be quite telling.

I frequently speak in absolutes.

Doesn't mean I think or act in absolutes.

Declarations are great for garnering reactions.

Quite true. As long as you are flexible. Although if Rashan did not reveal you would still be protecting Merrid.

Which is why I showed numerical advantage to claiming today.

Though tbf, Rashan is pretty much the only other player I'd have been likely to believe over Merrid. Other players have made posts that indicated they we're not bg.

I outright said it out loud.

[Kilava]

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

I've made no secret that I've been BG-reading Merrid since d1, and I see no town motivation in them allowing me to continue along under that false assumption, considering it left the real BG unprotected which they also well knew.

If I wasn't the healer, I could see them trying to draw the nk... but that's obviously not the case because I've been targeting them every night.

There is a counterargument to that, but I'll wait to see what Merrid has to say.

[Ampelas]

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 03:39 AM, said:

Putting all this together, I think Kilava is the best bet.

vote Kilava

Perhaps don't stop at day 1. Why not go into day 2 and work out why I'm probably not the killer.

Me, I'm thinking Merrid at the moment, but from going back to my original thoughts rather than anything new I've seen yet.

Btw, now that I read through day 2, would you like to point me in the direction of the quotes you think prove you are probably not the killer? You are playing coy here and seemed to want me to see something in particular.

[Galain]

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

*sigh*

So you've made that call all by yourself. You don't know who the Bodyguard is, if they've checked in or what they might think of your plan. Whilst I applaud you putting the idea out there early on so people can see it because I like to talk mechanics, it would have been much better for you to wait on the reactions of *all 10* players not just the 5 (4+you) who've been active so far. You've tried to force the reveal of a town role, regardless of the thoughts of the person holding that role. You've attempted to dictate the play of the other role purely to ensure your own survival whilst negating any skill on the part of the Bodyguard of correctly predicting who the kill will be. I don't like that.

If there's a counterclaim then I'm voting you first of the two claimants.

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

Anyone that does not win with town is a threat to town.

That means symp too.

Especially since the symp flips as town, it's getting rid of a known antitown voice.

But if you lynch the roled town then sure you know the other is a symp but thread just knowingly lynched a town role and in doing so leaves the other role utterly exposed. So you take out the symp at a 50/50 chance of the price of both roled town? HOW is that worth it?

Showing the symp why countering would be a good idea.

[Galain]

Then again, Denul highlighting both killers in that post. Or should I say, highlighting Silchas and Merrid in a single post.

[Kilava]

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 01:39 PM, said:

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 03:39 AM, said:

Putting all this together, I think Kilava is the best bet.

vote Kilava

Perhaps don't stop at day 1. Why not go into day 2 and work out why I'm probably not the killer.

Me, I'm thinking Merrid at the moment, but from going back to my original thoughts rather than anything new I've seen yet.

Btw, now that I read through day 2, would you like to point me in the direction of the quotes you think prove you are probably not the killer? You are playing coy here and seemed to want me to see something in particular.

No, no specific posts. I have nothing to reveal. I actually did mean exactly what you presented earlier - my drive on Denul. If I had been scum, with Jalan/Merrid looking most likely for a lynch, there would have been little need for me to present a new possible, particularly when I would have known that it would CF town and suddenly people would look way more at me than they had been throughout the game previous to that. Playing like I did on day 2 - and the unfortunate result - simply drew attention to myself for day 3. Add to that Jalan's death removing a high suspect, again leaving me out in the open.

[Kilava]

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:41 PM, said:

Then again, Denul highlighting both killers in that post. Or should I say, highlighting Silchas and Merrid in a single post.

What post?

[Nimander Golit]

Even if everyone agrees on the same lynch, we need to go to night.

[Rashan]

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

I've made no secret that I've been BG-reading Merrid since d1, and I see no town motivation in them allowing me to continue along under that false assumption, considering it left the real BG unprotected which they also well knew.

If I wasn't the healer, I could see them trying to draw the nk... but that's obviously not the case because I've been targeting them every night.

This is also true. Takes into the light him asking the symp to counter reveal as well. Now you "know" he is not BG then you "know" a lot of those earlier posts are now quite suspect.

Actually, that was Kilava first making the suggestion. Lemme go grab the quote.