[Ampelas]

Ah,

remove vote.

I had not looked at the vote train, I just assumed I was on it. So therefore thought Silchas' hammer a bit scummy as he was not around most of the day. Removed vote because of this.

[Ampelas]

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 01:52 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 27 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Ampelas, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid, Silchas Ruin

The lynch should have happened here. I was missed off by PS.

[Ampelas]

The vig did us a favour, because of how the votes went down. Some were creating an argument for Barghast, some for Rashan, some for Nimander. It clears up 3 players from day one. I'll go further into this in a minute.

[Ampelas]

Path-Shaper, on 04 April 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Cast ( Kilava )
1 Vote for Denul ( Osseric )
1 Vote for Silchas Ruin ( Nimander Golit )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Ampelas )
1 vote for Rashan (Barghast)

Players not voted: Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Merrid, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

I added Barghast's vote. So at this stage, there was a spread of votes.

Out of those votes I like mine. Big headed I know but all the rest was because of low activity except for Rashan. Rashan was highlighted here by Nimander Golit

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

So, we have two signalling accusations:

Osseric at Rashan, Kilava, and me (brought up by Ampelas).
Barghast at Ampelas, Rashan, and themselves (brought up by Merrid).

The common denominator is Rashan, tho Ampelas pointed at him in their scenario. Early distancing?

To which Barghast vote along with.

[Ampelas]

So Kilava is the one to upset the balance and put pressure on Rashan.

Kilava, on 04 April 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

To the underlined: "will people who are targets of indefensible claims just shut up and let the steeple lynch them without asking any pesky questions?"
remove vote

Vote Rashan


I'm sure you'd like that, scum!

Here is Kilava's vote. That was the end of their day one activity.

[Ampelas]

Galain, on 04 April 2017 - 08:12 PM, said:

vote barghast

this is purely gut. with a side dish of annoying posting style

Galain starts with a new vote, at this stage of the day. Explains that it is gut. So little participation, but a vote, and on a new player, stands out a bit, which gives me a town vibe from him.

Yet, in comes Nim with a follow up. That makes two trains of 2, time running out.

[Merrid]

Osseric, on 05 April 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

I think PS made a mistake in the vote counts - Ampelas's vote was on Rashan as well, right?

I ask because I'm pretty suspicious of players that didn't vote on Day 1. That means Denul, Jalan and Merrid. They had plenty of time to vote, but did nothing. Day 1 votes create pressure, they give town options and they give the rest of us something to analyze. Being stingy with your Day 1 votes seems pretty scummy to me.

Merrid seems to have perked up a bit on Day 2. Perhaps you were keeping your head down on the first day and now feel a bit freer to make some noise?

Vote Merrid

Don't think I've forgotten about you Jalan, or you Denul.

I did not vote as there were still 12 hours to go until time out when I was last on. I did highlight some signalling but did not feel strongly enough about a candidate to vote. Unfortunately due to health and scheduling issues I was not able to be back by timeout.

[Ampelas]

Path-Shaper, on 04 April 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 5 hours and 9 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Denul ( Osseric )
2 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava )
2 Votes for Barghast ( Galain, Nimander Golit )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Ampelas )

Players not voted: Cast, Denul, Jalan, Merrid, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

Green signifies innocent CF.

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 09:31 PM, said:

Based on my previous post I'm going to vote for whom I believe to be a master rather than a symp.

Vote Rashan

makes it 3 votes Rashan, and has a defense of Barghast in one of his previous posts. Makes me wary when Barghast was killed.

Osseric votes Kilava, which may be seen as distancing if Kilava turns up scum.

I vote Rashan, he was best option for the lynch at this stage and I did have to go.

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

FWIW, I'm not a huge fan of the Barghast or Rashan trains. Both of them have been active and trying to make connections with other players to see what happens when they do a little bantering. That's useful behaviour that I don't think makes them particularly good Day 1 lynch candidates.

distancing from both CF's?

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

Hmm, not convinced by your reasoning Cast. Ampelas has been playing as close to a textbook town game as you can, really. I don't see him being part of a scum messaging ring like you're implying. Barghast and Rashan are less clear cut, but as I've said before I don't really think their banter was all that scummy.

defending my cf too?

I may be a bit biased her but I am seeing a potential Osseric/Kilava partnership.

Rashan votes Kilava, wonder if he thought that or was just offering an alternative.

[Ampelas]

The other potential partnership I see is Kilava and Cast. So I am going to go look at Kilava and try give better reasoning why my scumdar is pinging.

[Ampelas]

Well well well.

Kilava, on 04 April 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

vote Cast

I don't have time to sift through the dragonsex to try to find connections that may not be there in the first place- Ampelas can handle that, if it wants.

But low-posters need to speak up. Admiring the Hounds of light is not enough.

Now it may have been my subconscious but I did not realise Kilava voted for Cast. I knew they voted for someone other than themselves to present a different option. Good little distancing vote because all it needs is participation from Cast for Kilava to remove.

So Cast ignores Kilava's vote. Does not mention her at all when he comes on thread. Ignores her. The one person voting for him, AND being voted for by someone else and he does not mention them. That strikes me as very ODD.

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

I enjoy Barghast's posting style, it's adding lots of flavor and muchly appreciated girth.

Cast, on 04 April 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

I don't think Barghast is in a particularly scummy position at the moment. He's gone out of the way to both draw distinction for himself as well as getting others actively participating in dragonsex. He's also pushing for people to think themselves while building cases, instead of piggybacking on lazy cases.

As far as day 1 goes, I feel he's actually been the one that had done town the most good.

Can be seen as defending a CF.

Then creates a little case on Barghast, Rashan and Myself. Follows Kilava's vote on Rashan.

No interaction between the two players.

Also Kilava doesn't mention Cast when she removes, she creates a train on Rashan and lets Cast off the hook, who up until this point was still absent from thread.

[Ampelas]

The way is see it is that Kilava had a vote on them. They voted anywhere else, maybe even on their scum partner, who knows.

When an opportunity arose to remove vote and put someone on 2 votes they took it.

Vote Kilava

[Kilava]

morning, all.

I'm feeling like the proverbial Carthage, with Ampelas being the Roman senator who ends his every speech with "and still, I feel that we ought to destroy Carthage"

In other news, life happened to me in a major way, so the game's taking a nosedive in my priority list.

When I get to work I'll take a quick look to see if I'm being set up by scum.

[Path-Shaper]

Ampelas, on 05 April 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 01:52 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 27 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Ampelas, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid, Silchas Ruin

The lynch should have happened here. I was missed off by PS.

Apologies about this. I just went and reviewed votes, and Ampelas is correct, I absolutely missed his vote.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 24 hours and 45 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Osseric, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kilava ( Ampelas )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Osseric )
1 Vote for Silchas Ruin ( Jalan )

Players not voted: Cast, Denul, Galain, Kilava, Merrid, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

[Jalan]

Merrid, on 05 April 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorry I missed EoD yesterday, totally knackered out, dinner out and went to bed straight after. Should be around a little this PM.

Slow clap for the premature Vig.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

Nimander Golit has been killed. He was Siergiej and a Roleless Innocent.
Barghast has been killed. He was Vengeance the Dr. Whitby Lodge.

Silchas Ruin, on 05 April 2017 - 02:43 AM, said:

On day fucking one Vig? Really?

Someone just put a cross in their list that is really helpful to us.

I don't think Siergiej had made any lists therefore you must be talking about Venge. Now how would you know that the Vig kill was on Venge unless you were scum?

Vote Silchas Ruin

Feeling tired. Mind explaining the logic here?

A few people want Venge dead for old games. Silchas is saying that rather than vigging him for a game reason he was vigged because someone wanted revenge and that this was to the detriment of town (as Venge was the Healer and all.)

Now this only works if you know for sure that it was Venge who was vigged. Both CFs say "has been killed." There is no indication of which was scum and which was Vig. For Silchas to be sure that Venge was killed by the Vig then he must *know* which alt was killed by scum ergo he is a killer. I'm discounting him being the Vig because you'd have to be pretty special to Vig Venge and then say it was someone else getting even for a past game and a bad move.

[Merrid]

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 April 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

Jalan, on 05 April 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Sorry I missed EoD yesterday, totally knackered out, dinner out and went to bed straight after. Should be around a little this PM.

Slow clap for the premature Vig.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

Nimander Golit has been killed. He was Siergiej and a Roleless Innocent.
Barghast has been killed. He was Vengeance the Dr. Whitby Lodge.

Silchas Ruin, on 05 April 2017 - 02:43 AM, said:

On day fucking one Vig? Really?

Someone just put a cross in their list that is really helpful to us.

I don't think Siergiej had made any lists therefore you must be talking about Venge. Now how would you know that the Vig kill was on Venge unless you were scum?

Vote Silchas Ruin

Feeling tired. Mind explaining the logic here?

A few people want Venge dead for old games. Silchas is saying that rather than vigging him for a game reason he was vigged because someone wanted revenge and that this was to the detriment of town (as Venge was the Healer and all.)

Now this only works if you know for sure that it was Venge who was vigged. Both CFs say "has been killed." There is no indication of which was scum and which was Vig. For Silchas to be sure that Venge was killed by the Vig then he must *know* which alt was killed by scum ergo he is a killer. I'm discounting him being the Vig because you'd have to be pretty special to Vig Venge and then say it was someone else getting even for a past game and a bad move.

Ah ok, thanks! For a few reasons I am not as alert as I should be.

Hmm. That is suspicious.

[Kilava]

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 09:32 PM, said:

Alright, finally got around to my read through. Wading through the Dragonsecks stuff was actually quite enlightening! Initially Rashan looked to be trying to interact with as many people as possible - I find that to be a good technique for town trying to draw reads. Barghast and Ampelas were happy to play along. Jalan and Merrid had an interesting exchange about dog-fantasies, they seemed to fit in OK. But there was one post that didn't really fit with the rest of the conversation, and made me feel like it might have been made by scum trying a bit too hard to blend in:

Kilava, on 03 April 2017 - 06:33 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

Don't worry, they usually get more local clientele than this, they'll be fine. And Ampelas was quite a slut before this too, anyway.

Also I've decided that the prices ehre will be based on the length of client's dick from now on.

The Brotherhood of the Beast- now with orgies like every other crazy cult out there!

[I've stripped a few of the nested quotes for brevity]

This one just feels a bit out of place compared to all the other banter that was going on at the time. It's an attempt at wit that fails to land and just isn't bawdy enough to fit with the rest.

Now, Ampelas throws up a bit of a nothing case on Kilava to get things moving. Here's Kilava's response:

Kilava, on 04 April 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

Early day one but that seems like a lot of reasons to vote Kilava. I am astounded by how much I see in that little clutter of posts. Lots of connections there. Could be absolutely nothing.

You quote a grand total of 3 of my posts and call it a case. Interesting.

For obvious reasons I'm not gonna bother trying to explain why Nimander and Rashan responded as they did. In terms of myself: yes, I'm busy. Not particularly interested in the riveting details of length and girth of Barghast's dick.

Should have some time later, but today's downpour has made it a miserable day so far, not to mention I'm late for work.

The implication here is that Kilava was ignoring all the Dragonsecks RP. But they also tried to take part in it! Seems like a bit of a contradiction. Scum trying to alter history?

At that point they decide the best way to escape Ampelas' attention is to try and cast a vote for a low poster. Trying to copy me? Perhaps seeing how Ampelas moved on that time Kilava thinks the same thing will happen here?

Kilava, on 04 April 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

vote Cast

I don't have time to sift through the dragonsex to try to find connections that may not be there in the first place- Ampelas can handle that, if it wants.

But low-posters need to speak up. Admiring the Hounds of light is not enough.

It's all pretty tenuous, but it's a damn sight better than what Ampelas put up before.

Remove Vote
Vote Kilava

EDIT: Crosspost with a bunch of stuff. Guess I should have looked before I posted!

That's stretching it. Yeah, I don't really do "bawdy" IRL either, deal with it.

[Kilava]

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

OK, so by my count there's 4 votes on Rashan, 2 on Barghast and 1 on Kilava, yeah?

Is anyone else around? If so, what are your thoughts? I'm going to have to sign off for the night soon...

Pointless banter doesn't draw out scum. It leads to "signalling" cases, and "slip" cases, both of which tend to be shit, so I'm not sure where you are coming from here.

[Kilava]

Osseric, on 05 April 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

Well, that's gone very badly. Are we going to have to get mods to idiot-proof vig roles in the future and have them only be usable from night 3 onwards? There's no good reason to waste that this early.

I tried that, results were mixed.

[Kilava]

Ampelas, on 05 April 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

The way is see it is that Kilava had a vote on them. They voted anywhere else, maybe even on their scum partner, who knows.

When an opportunity arose to remove vote and put someone on 2 votes they took it.

Vote Kilava

Because who the fuck cares what reasons they gave for their vote, right?

I love how yesterday you are were suspicious of me, becaue I was allegedly connected to Rashan and Nim. When they both turn out inno, you are... still suspicious of me. Because I didn't pursue my Day 1 low poster vote vigorously enough.