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The Current State of Fantasy: Does it Satisfy You?

Poll: The Current State of Fantasy: Does it Satisfy You? (76 member(s) have cast votes)

  1. Yes, there's plenty of upcomers and great oldies. (59 votes [77.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.63%

  2. No, and help, I'm drowning in sea of **** with words. (13 votes [17.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.11%

  3. Undecided, I don't have a brain. (4 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

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#21 Guest_Jay Tomio_*

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Posted 25 August 2005 - 03:02 PM

I agree with Gyrehead, even if in the event that readers don't agree on many books, the fact that me and Gyrehead, who's taste tends to differ from my own can both find so many good books (he says possibly 100 by the end of the year) an I (I'm somewhere around that pace last week I counted 70-80 2005 titles, and the back half of thisi year is defitnely going to put me well above 100, just how much I'm not sure).

Even as a bit of a critic on books I really don't like, and even though I would be the first admit (as above) the majority of publsihed works is lesser then what I enjoy If we can look back on the year and say well there was a 100-150 books I got that I enjoyed this year, then it's impossible to not be as he/she (sorry I don't know) over satisifed. Otherwise it would be stupid to invest so much in something one doesn't enjoy!

He/she is also right about forthcoming work there is a tremendous amount of promising work coming out in 2006, in all sub-genres. The latter half of 2005 is going to be smokin' and 2006 doesn't look like it's going to slow down. New authors like Daniel Abraham, Scott Lynch (his book is going to be dope), a full length work from Holly Phillips, Micklem's second effort, - some veterans like M. John Harrison, and Moorcock, continuations by Erikson, and Bakker, Hobb, Keyes, Duncan fantasy is looking good from a personal buying point. VanderMeer has a new book coming out, I mean the list is almost literaly endless.

Ther is a lot of incredible (well concerning who is writing them and what promo stuff ahs looekd like) work coming out in 2006.

So from a personal standpoint I defintely agree, I couldn't be much happier.
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 02:37 AM

Even ignoring all the epic fantasy, we have R. A. Salvatore, who seems to be cranking out 5 quality basic fantasy novels monthly. Then add that A Feast For Crows is being released in either November or December...
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 03:58 AM

Wow with all these options I just relised that I have barly stuck my toe in the fantisy pool. The only fantisy I read is Erikson and Ash. I just realized that I probably won't run out of books to read any time soon. I will still have truble sorting out the good from the crap, But with lots of reviews to read I sure I'll be able to find something.
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 04:40 AM

I think you miss much of what reading is about if you put so much dependence on others' opinion. Reviews have their purpose, but I don't want anyone else to sort through the crap for the good. That is my role, my job as reader. I fear too many treasures would be thrown away and too many pretentious little yawns heaped with accolade after accolade and engender yet more such pretentious wee efforts. But I realize that probably is what makes me a little different than others. Other people like hearing what yet even more other people like and dislike. I just follow the news of rights sold and convention talk and what the publishers send out to our reading group. It helps being in one of the larger writers' workshops as well.

My advice is subscribe to Locus Magazine if you really want to get wet. Keep an eye on such websites as alienonline for author news. It's cut and dried. No agendas. No investment other than just the genre as a whole. Which is nice.

I realize as a collector of books as well as an avid reader, I might not be the norm. So the current bumper crop is to my liking. I get excited to see my library grow so quickly with new works and authors. This will be the third year I will easily break 90 new releases added to the shelves. Yeah sometimes that means the same number being put away in boxes to someday go to building that local public library wing of really bad fantasy. This year I have about thirty books that won't see the light of day for awhile and whose authors will not get a second chance unless they start an entirely new series in a new setting and a new world. I do sometimes give second chances to authors whose work just doesn't take the first time. Another reason I don't bother with reviews. As of this morning's plane ride, my 2005 brand new releases count is at eighty to keep and thirty to get boxed. Pretty good odds. My to get list for the remainder of the year is at about sixty in the genre, so hopefully the percentage of quality will stay as high or be even higher. Next year, I only have the first six months penciled in with any fullness, but already those six months to-buy count already surpasses 100. So not only am I quite content, but next year looks to keep me just as, if not more happy. If Kay turns out to just be coy as rumored and does produce a book next year, then 2006 will easily surpass 2005. And already the 2006 releases I have read have been quite good. The aforementioned Lies, Winterbirth (what I read of it) and The Stormcaller all were interesting is somewhat rough (naturally). And about twenty really good first time authors this year look to repeat their freshmen efforts with some (hopefully) sophomoric glory. But this is all coming from someone that keeps track of as many books coming out in the next 12 to 18 months as I can. It is a sickness, I have to warn you.

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Then add that A Feast For Crows is being released in either November or December...


One of the moderators in our reading group got confirmation of her ARC (UK edition) due to arrive next week I believe. I skipped Blount's reading from his copy as I have a hard enough time wadding through the wallow that Martin indulges in halfway through the ASOI&F novels without being spoiled. I was almost nauseous from the incredible inert plotline after I made the mistake of reading the first half of the rough draft of ASOS eight months before it came out. Nonetheless I think the November US release date is quite firm if the UK publishers are sending out ARCS to the reading groups already. Usually the UK waits a bit unless it is new author like Lynch, Duncan, Ruckley, Lloyd or Abercrombie. Martin is not yet that big that his books might even hit shelves a little early. Particularly in those brick and mortar locations that just shelve their spec fiction and don't pay it any more mind.
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 06:15 AM

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One of the moderators in our reading group got confirmation of her ARC (UK edition) due to arrive next week


Are reader groups supplied differently then review sites?

I have been told by Voyager there will absolutely be no ARC's made of 'A Feast for Crows' coming out of the UK. I do know that Bantam (U.S. publisher) is preparing to ship their ARC's.

This may have changed since last week - I better check, the UK version is genrrally much more desirable IMHO.

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Nonetheless I think the November US release date is quite firm if the UK publishers are sending out ARCS to the reading groups already


I agree with that - expect no delays, 'A Feast for Crows' will be out, especially the U.S. version (being released after the UK version), and the UK release is 100% a go according to Voyager. I do hope it' doesnt suffer from of teh editorial probelms Hobb's 'Shaman's Crossing' had - but at this point I just want the damn book!

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 04:47 AM

I find that there is still plenty out there to read. Heck I just found Erickson in the last 4 months, though Im a tad confused on how Ive missed such a great author for so long.
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 03:28 PM

Having currently 44 books on my to-read pile, I would not say I am dissatisfied with what there is out there to read... admitadly some of that is sci-fi (@Jay - ah, the derogatory term. I mean SF, or Science Fiction;))
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 06:45 PM

I have no idea what the "policy" is toward reading groups. I do however know what the policy is toward members of reading groups who are employees of HarperCollins.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 09:07 PM

caladanbrood said:

Having currently 44 books on my to-read pile, I would not say I am dissatisfied with what there is out there to read... admitadly some of that is sci-fi (@Jay - ah, the derogatory term. I mean SF, or Science Fiction;))


I beat you - 57 science fiction or fantasy novels on my to read bookshelf! And there are still books I want to get.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:03 PM

It's slightly difficult for me to answer this question, since apart from certain books it's quite hard to get ahold of much fantasy around here, and I don't have that much money to buy anything that gets recommended.
I disagree with everyone who says that epic fantasy is stagnant at the moment: there aren't particularly many good authors writing it at the moment, but looking back at older books, that's always been the case, since epic fantasy is rather hard to write well. Erikson and Martin, are probably as good as any author who's ever written epic fantasy.
I agree with those who say that New Wierd is where it's at, though: Mieville and Gaiman are two of my favourite authors, and I really must get around to reading Vellum as soon as I can either borrow a copy or get the paperback (I'd get the hardback, but I can't afford it right now).
And the shallow but enjoyable end of the fantasy pool is still going strong, although nowadays I tend to read little out of that apart from Gemmell, unless it comes recommended.
And, of course, there's always Terry Pratchett.
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Posted 13 September 2005 - 06:31 PM

In my opinion fantasy/sf is in the best state that it has ever been in.

There are alot of old authors still releasing quality novels such as Donaldson, GRRM, Gene Wolfe and Arthur C. Clarke.

There are dozens of decent authors who got there break in the last 10 years such as Hobb, Erikson, Vandermeer, Reynolds, Hamilton, McLeod, Bakkar and Mieville.

As well as this there are still interesting debut novels being realeased such as 'Johnathon Strange and Mr Norrel' and 'The Year of Our War'.

Overall it is in a brilliant state; sure theres alot of crap being published but when has that not been the case?
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 10:51 PM

I'm going to bump this topic, I'm interested to see if anyone's got any new opinions after this last year or so of fantasy.
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 11:30 PM

Can't say I've read much in the past year, but what I have has kept me content.
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 11:46 PM

I'm pretty happy with it right now.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 12:46 AM

Things are pretty good at the moment, what with Abercrombie, Lynch, Bakker, Martin, Erikson, Kay, Hamilton, Reynolds, Morgan, Kearney, Asher, Suzanna Clarke and Gaiman all still producing interesting new works.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 02:15 PM

I think it is important in reading fantasy to be open to changing one's opinions based on growing as a reader and learning to use one's imagination. I have found that over time books that I absolutely loved years ago are not enjoyable at all in a reread, and books that I did not enjoy long ago came to be very interesting and enjoyable when I tried them again later with new eyes from a new perspective in life.

I have to admit, when I started Erikson a couple years ago I got completely lost, had no affinity for the characters, and thought he could have benefited from an enormous amount of editing. Everything seemed like private jokes between characters that had no context, and I threw the books into a corner in disgust.

Over time in working on my own writing, I built a much better appreciation for the complexities of world-building, and I remembered that he had some pretty cool details. I started the series again a few months ago and am amazed at details and arcs that I find fascinating that I totally did not appreciate the first time through. I still think GOTM had some serious flaws and could have used more editing, but as I'm getting into the deeper series and see the connections and themes, I really do agree that Erikson is among the best.

So I'm trying to hold back my judgement on the state of the industry, knowing that my particular views are colored by the moment -- and I try to just give each book a fair chance.

(of course, I think that the bookshelves are missing one particular author that needs to be included -- and hopefully a publisher will see that soon!:mad: )
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 04:35 PM

There's far more to read than just fantasy. If the genre's moribund - which it isn't - just read something else. Unless you're the most closed-minded reader on the planet, I can guarantee there'll be something else out there that you like.

ps. How the hell do you people get to-read lists that hold 40+ books? If I buy 5 books on a Saturday afternoon, I've read them by Monday morning.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 08:37 PM

obviously people arn't as super intelligent as you.

Dumb people usually take a few days to read a book and sometimes even weeks.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 08:43 PM

Intelligence is not really what effects how fast you read - everyone reads at different speeds - it's effected more by concentration levels or, in a lot of cases, bank accounts;)

I read a book one average every fortnight, because I prefer soaking up the detail, and I'm quite easily distracted unless it's a very good book. That doesn't mean I'm stupid.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 09:32 PM

I'm a fast reader usually, but recent years have pretty much forced me to read fiction only late at night in bed, which means I'm out cold within half an hour. Thus, it now takes at least a week to get through one book. :mad:
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