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so, i am not sure i understood what Osserc did. What i think happened is: Kallor tried to suicide by letting the thaumaturgs take the Jade Giants down on him (?), but Osserc stopped the impact by taking it upon himself so Kallor failed?
If that is right, what was the point of leading the Adwami campaign? Vengeance?
Also, does Azathanai mean Ascendant or Elder God?

[Aptorian]

As far as I recall the entire Adwami campaign was one big faint, it was never meant to succeed or win anything. But my memory is hazy so don't take that as gospel.

Azathanai is a term that in later books has replaced the term Elder God from the earlier books. More specifically there may be an important distinction between and Azathanai Elder God and a vanilla Elder God.

Some light lore spoilers from Forge of Darkness:

Spoiler

I haven't read Fall of Light but Forge of Darkness confirms that the Azathanai are Elder Gods who came out of chaos/the vitr sea/fucking nowhere and share a common origin that might be something like family. They are beings of incredible power/potency who are, more or less, born to become gods.

However there are other beings we describe as Elder Gods that might not be Azathanai. Elder God in terms of the pantheons ancestry may simply refer to gods who were around in the Elder Times. The time of the holds when the warrens wandered. Before Kallor burned a continent and K'rul made a whole new magic system.

[HoosierDaddy]

Fall of Light:

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Pretty much Azathani are primordial beings that have no idea of how they were created. It wasn't the Makers (i.e. weird huge thing in Blood and Bone or OST). They just ARE.

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Ugh. Haven't read Fod and fall of light so i am not openingh those spoilers. I guess it's RAFO.
I'll read Assail then i'll start them

[HoosierDaddy]

Osserc basically went and flew into those things as far as I can remember. So he destructed them himself, as for Kallor, I don't know what his deal was other than just wanting revenge against those guys.

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HoosierDaddy said:

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Osserc basically went and flew into those things as far as I can remember. So he destructed them himself, as for Kallor, I don't know what his deal was other than just wanting revenge against those guys.

Kallor story is so confusing. He goes ln a campaign with the adwami then starts riding incredibly fast (jatal has to push hard to reach him) and he is found bloodied in a crater

[worry]

Osserc doesn't just put himself in the way of the impact, he also destroys the Temple of Light that the Circle of Masters had activated.

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worry said:

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Osserc doesn't just put himself in the way of the impact, he also destroys the Temple of Light that the Circle of Masters had activated.

So...what did Saeng do? Did she just take the power ?

[nacht]

I just reread the book and it is still not entirely clear to me, but this is what I think happened.

As far as I know Kallor was just seeking to bash up the thaumaturgs. He never indicated any suicide motive for this campaign. He actually ran away from Anditi pura once he noticed that something was chasing him.
The thaumaturgs started a ritual that was bringing down the jade statutes to get rid of Kallor. After thinking about this, I dont think they were stupid enough to bring down the statue to destroy Kallor. It is possible they were trying to harness the power of the ritual and a side effect of it might be to bring down the statute (or at least accelerate the process)

Osserc stopped at least one of the statutes and broke it into smaller pieces.
Saeng and Ponlor stopped the ritual by getting rid of several thaumaturgs and Saeng might have stepped into the light and stopped the beacon (figuratively) which could have attracted even more jade statues.

[korik]

I must admit that I haven't read this book for a while but my memory was that Kallor was trying to cheat his curse and ascend. We know from Baruk that "there are many paths to ascendancy" and dying is one of them. I figured that that dying in this momentus way would have caused him to ascend, but the actions of Osserc and Saeng prevented this...

[worry]

I dunno. I think it's pretty explicit from Kallor's own words at the end that he was trying to kill himself. He failed in TTH to get the Throne of Chains, but once Dragnipur is shattered he knows that his curses are all done, so he figures he'd give death a shot. When that doesn't pan out, he gives bitter mercy to the similarly suicidal Jatal in front of a horrified Scarza, then decides on his next course of action (hunting Drac).