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I must say I was surprised that Fear leaves Rhulad, and not only that, but he leaves with so much doubt in his heart. I presume that at some point Fear comes back and once again believes in Rhulad so much that he takes part in Trull’s shorning. (Presumably of course, I suppose its possible that only Binadas and some of Rhulad’s adopted brothers, I forget their names right now, were the only ones present.)
When reading the beginning of House of Chains I wasn’t exactly sure how many brothers were present at the time. We can be certain that Rhulad was there. And I think we can be pretty sure Binadas was there. Fear is the one that raises question marks. By the end of Midnight Tides Fear seemed to be totally driven from his brother, unable to follow him any longer. Anyone have some thoughts on this?
Oh by the way sorry if this has been discussed before.
Trull at the end of Midnight Tides and beginning of House of Chains (spoilers)
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 06:02 AM
No, actually, I think those in the Shorning are Rhulads brothers of choice. That's the only thing I can think of- them and Binadas. Fear seems very, very determined to not return, and there is a mention that, once his mind is made up, it's not unmade.
So, yeah. I'd bet Binadas + adopted brothers being the case. It sucks that Erikson didn't name them in the HOC prologue
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So, yeah. I'd bet Binadas + adopted brothers being the case. It sucks that Erikson didn't name them in the HOC prologue
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Posted 11 August 2005 - 04:30 PM
I don't think Binadas was present, I got the sense that the 'brothers' mentioned were Rhulad's brothers of choice... his sycophants. Binadas seemed to have as much (more?) free spirit as Trull to cave to Rhulad's madness... I too look forward to seeing Fear again.
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Posted 12 August 2005 - 04:18 PM
Is there any reason Trull's other brother, the mage who's name i'm utterly blanking on, wouldn't have been there?
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Posted 12 August 2005 - 07:55 PM
this has all already been said but ya i dont think they were any of trulls real brothers (excluding rhulad, but he shunned trull from the very beginning). fear always seemed to agree with trull in principle, but he didnt want to split the clan into any civil war. really couldnt crack binidas though, but i dont think he would join with rhulad, he just seems to want solitude
but ya i dont think they were any of trulls real brothers (excluding rhulad, but he shunned trull from the very beginning). fear always seemed to agree with trull in principle, but he didnt want to split the clan into any civil war. really couldnt crack binidas though, but i dont think he would join with rhulad, he just seems to want solitude
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Posted 12 August 2005 - 10:01 PM
I thought Binadas had already thrown his lot in with Rhulad. I know it's not actually stated anywhere, but that's the impression I got.
Also, I don't think Fear abandoned Rhulad. He's gone to find Scabby to save the Edur. That includes Rhulad.
Also, I don't think Fear abandoned Rhulad. He's gone to find Scabby to save the Edur. That includes Rhulad.
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Posted 12 August 2005 - 10:52 PM
it's possible that fear failed in his quest and decided that rhulad was better than nothing. but of course thats just conjecture.
as for binadas, it's very likely that he was at the shorning. for example, remember the line in MT where fear says to trull (something like) "if binadas were here to listen to what you're saying, you would be dead already".
as for binadas, it's very likely that he was at the shorning. for example, remember the line in MT where fear says to trull (something like) "if binadas were here to listen to what you're saying, you would be dead already".
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Posted 08 September 2005 - 11:11 PM
I remember from the prologue to HoC, the leader, if is it Rhulad, says 'brothers'. To me, that sounds like he's accusing them of not playing along when he needs them to, although they readily accepted his brotherhood in easier times. So yeah, I reckon they were his mates, not his brothers. Know what I mean?
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 06:59 PM
Is it clear how much time has passed between MT and the Shorning? Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Rhulad was absent. I picked that idea up somewhere in MT and I can't remember if it quelled out by the end- It had to do with Rhulad's degeneration and Hannan Mosag potentially regaining the top spot.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 08:00 PM
According to HoC - "There had been no sunset in the realm the Tiste Edur called the Nascent for five months"
Of course this depends on how soon after Rhulad flooded it in MT that the changes to the world affected the weather patterns, cloud cover etc..
It's Rhulad at the shorning...
Of course this depends on how soon after Rhulad flooded it in MT that the changes to the world affected the weather patterns, cloud cover etc..
It's Rhulad at the shorning...
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 05:26 AM
I think it's been about two and a half to three years between MT and the shorning. The prologue of HoC says "943rd day of the Search." That is, if I'm correct in assuming that The Search is the same as what Rhulad refers to in the prologue. The Search (probably for a worthy challenge) probably started at or near the end of MT. So I'd say around three years. This also gives the Tiste Edur the time to find the "Pure Kin" enemies between MT and the Shorning.
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 09:23 AM
pure kin being either andii or liosan i should think... and i dont think its rhulad at the shorning, the speaker doesnt seem mad enough... perhaps binadas?
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Posted 10 September 2005 - 10:25 AM
Pure kin = the Andii - the drift Avali ones who died so easily.
Read it again - Binadas does not lead the Edur.
Read it again - Binadas does not lead the Edur.
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Posted 11 September 2005 - 06:25 PM
Not necessarily Hetan, in fact personally I think its unlikely that the andii are the pure-kin.
For one the edur have a history of emnity against the andii, which still remains alive in edur culture, so it's unlikely that they would be considered "kin". If they were andii it is likely that they would have been referred to as such. Pure-kin in my mind is likely to either refer to anothergroup of edur located in the search through the warrens, or a group of edur who turned against rhulads rule as there is little suggestion that the edur consider any other tiste as "kin"
For one the edur have a history of emnity against the andii, which still remains alive in edur culture, so it's unlikely that they would be considered "kin". If they were andii it is likely that they would have been referred to as such. Pure-kin in my mind is likely to either refer to anothergroup of edur located in the search through the warrens, or a group of edur who turned against rhulads rule as there is little suggestion that the edur consider any other tiste as "kin"
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Posted 11 September 2005 - 07:49 PM
The reason I think they are andii is the reference to them having died easily...it made me think of the Drift Avali andi. No doubt Reapers Gale will reveal more..hopefully
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Posted 11 September 2005 - 09:26 PM
anyone know if future books will document fear's (and silchas's?) search for scabandari? sounds pretty important to me
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Posted 12 September 2005 - 04:11 PM
which part of mt did it say that in anyway, i thought fear was searching, and silchas just occompanied him for a time
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Posted 12 September 2005 - 08:03 PM
well fear said he was off to find scabandari, to which silchas inquired as if interested. silchas also says that they might be walking the same path (or something like that) for longer than he thought. its still speculation i know, but i reckon silchas has every right to have a major beef with scabandari so.........
