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I'm sure everyone here hated Bithidel with the utmost intensity and were yearning for his death ever since he did what he did to Felisin. So near the end of the book, when he was approached by Karsa Orlong, I was screaming for punishment. And let me just say I wasn't in anyway disapointed.
I could have predicted that Karsa would have relieved the high mage of his... lovelength, but to make him eat it, ROFL. Well done Steven Erikson for provididing us for one of the most satisfying deaths in any book.
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Possibly the most satisfying death I've ever read *spoiler*
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 05:43 PM
How perverse.
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Posted 15 November 2006 - 06:17 PM
That was nice and all but I liked the part about Passing through Hood's gate, with all the tormented souls or demons waiting for him to bring "balance in death" to his life of torture.
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Posted 15 November 2006 - 10:54 PM
I remember a quote from Hood, it might be a revelation from RG, but he says something in the lines of "Would it surprise you to know I don't actually do anything with the Souls" - that come through his gates.
Which makes Bidithals faith strange, and it's also the only time I remember of any form of punishment existing for a person after death. I just thought they went through the gate with out judgement and their souls lingered their in empty eternity.
And strange as it might be, rereading HoC, I didn't really dislike Bidithal that much. I hated the whole sadistic, child molesting, rapist side of him. But of all the people of the camp he often seemed as the only one fighting for something outside his own ambitions, the restoration of Shadow.
I just thought it made him more interesting to read about. Sick and twisted one moment, zealous and possesed with his goal the next, which ultimately also became his downfall.
Which makes Bidithals faith strange, and it's also the only time I remember of any form of punishment existing for a person after death. I just thought they went through the gate with out judgement and their souls lingered their in empty eternity.
And strange as it might be, rereading HoC, I didn't really dislike Bidithal that much. I hated the whole sadistic, child molesting, rapist side of him. But of all the people of the camp he often seemed as the only one fighting for something outside his own ambitions, the restoration of Shadow.
I just thought it made him more interesting to read about. Sick and twisted one moment, zealous and possesed with his goal the next, which ultimately also became his downfall.
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Posted 17 November 2006 - 04:24 AM
Yeah previously in the series it has only suggested that Hood gets the souls of the dead simply because he "wants" them, no sense of justice or balance was implied. Now all of a sudden, Bidithal is getting what looks like an eternity of torment. Perhaps this is something reserved for the "extra special" cases.
Also on the topic of Bidithal's death I will bring up somthing I saw mentioned in another thread. Bidithal is killed by Karsa, and it has been strongly implied that the souls of those Karsa kills become chained to him rather than moving on to Hood's realm. So, why does Bidithal end up at Hood's Gate rather than chained to Karsa? It was suggested elsewhere that it was mentioned that Hood himself was in raraku at the time all this was taking place, and that he must have had the power to intervene and take Bidithal's soul before we was chained to Karsa. This seems plausible enough, but I think it is possible that at some unconscious level, whatever mechanism that chains the Souls was stopped by Karsa (assuming he has some active role in the process beyond just killing them) because he felt Bidithal was unworthy to be chained to him or something of that nature.
moving on to other areas, I guess I never really hated his character, as much as I simply recognized he was bad and should be stopped, preferably in a unpleasant manner. I'm sure I never thought he was a cool guy for having a plan, and at the heart of it, he was motivated by ambition as much as anything. If the warren was resurrected as a warren of shadow, he is a powerful wielder of that warren, and if it is converted to a warren for the Chained God, he has a position of power there too.
Also on the topic of Bidithal's death I will bring up somthing I saw mentioned in another thread. Bidithal is killed by Karsa, and it has been strongly implied that the souls of those Karsa kills become chained to him rather than moving on to Hood's realm. So, why does Bidithal end up at Hood's Gate rather than chained to Karsa? It was suggested elsewhere that it was mentioned that Hood himself was in raraku at the time all this was taking place, and that he must have had the power to intervene and take Bidithal's soul before we was chained to Karsa. This seems plausible enough, but I think it is possible that at some unconscious level, whatever mechanism that chains the Souls was stopped by Karsa (assuming he has some active role in the process beyond just killing them) because he felt Bidithal was unworthy to be chained to him or something of that nature.
moving on to other areas, I guess I never really hated his character, as much as I simply recognized he was bad and should be stopped, preferably in a unpleasant manner. I'm sure I never thought he was a cool guy for having a plan, and at the heart of it, he was motivated by ambition as much as anything. If the warren was resurrected as a warren of shadow, he is a powerful wielder of that warren, and if it is converted to a warren for the Chained God, he has a position of power there too.
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Posted 17 November 2006 - 10:03 AM
He wasn't killed by the sword, or not directly by Karsa, is the general agreement. Karsa left him to suffocat, and thus Bidithal's soul wasn't bound to Karsa.
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Posted 17 November 2006 - 11:39 AM
GardenGnome;135654 said:
He wasn't killed by the sword, or not directly by Karsa, is the general agreement. Karsa left him to suffocat, and thus Bidithal's soul wasn't bound to Karsa.
Aahh... clever giant...
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 01:12 AM
Hmm... Not to mention, bleed to death...
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 01:12 AM
I share your glee, I was very pleased with the manner of his death, but I was hoping for an even more drawn out, torture-ridden death.
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 12:15 PM
Thelomen Toblerone;136080 said:
I share your glee, I was very pleased with the manner of his death, but I was hoping for an even more drawn out, torture-ridden death.
An eternity being gangbanged by demons isn't long enough for you?
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 01:02 PM
If you ask me, he was probably into that sort of thing anyway and Karsa did him a favour. 
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Posted 06 December 2006 - 05:57 AM
My my... strange how any talk about Bithidal quickly turns icky. Well, if you like the whole uh... genetalia eating thing, it happens again in a series of books by Fiona McIntosh. Hmm, is it just me, or do I sense a recurring theme?
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Posted 07 December 2006 - 10:48 PM
I don't want to be a spoilsport, but the Mhybe didn't actually die.
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Posted 08 December 2006 - 02:08 AM
I think that lopper meant that the story would not return to the Mhybe, thank God!
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