[Raizen]

So.. I'm back to the same question I ask myself at the end of every book: how was Kurald Emurlahn shattered? I have a theory that might string together a few things. First, the following quotes:

MoI

I am Treach - one of many names. Trake, the Tiger of Summer, the Talons of War. Silent Hunter. I was there at the end, one of the few survivors once the T'lan Imass were done with us. Brutal, merciful slaughter. They had no choice - I see that now, though none of us were prepared to forgive. Not then. The wounds were too fresh.


Gods, we tore a warren to pieces on that distant continent. Turned the eastlands into molten stone that cooled and became something that defied sorcery. The T'lan Imass sacrificed thousands to cut away the cancer we had become. It was the end, the end of all that promise, all that bright glory. The end of the First Empire. Hubris, to have claimed a name that rightly belonged to the T'lan Imass.

MT

"No, my friend, with this day's victory this world lies before our feet. Here, you shall not suffer from the civil wars that plague Kurald Galain. And I and my followers shall escape the rivening that now besets Kurald Emurlahn-"

Silchas Ruin snorted. "A rivening by your own hand, Scabandari."


Now if we take these two quotes as fact, it would appear that the reason for Kurald Emurlahn's shattering is the Soletaken Ritual (Dessimbelackis becomes the Deragoth and other soletaken/D'ivers are made) in the First Empire that was somehow Scabandari Bloodeye's fault. If we skip ahead to the very beginning of The Bonehunters,

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it is mentioned by Dejim that the Deragoth had a master in those days.

Is it possible that Scabandari was the driving force behind the Soletaken Ritual

Spoiler

and the old master of the Deragoth?

This post has been edited by Raizen: 26 April 2016 - 04:45 PM

[Nevyn]

Who says only one warren can be torn to pieces? First empire should be far later. In fact, Scabandari's betrayal may well have happened before the T'lan Imass.

The continent Trake refers to is Seven Cities, and the eastlands are Otataral Island

This post has been edited by Nevyn: 26 April 2016 - 05:09 PM

[Coltaine -]

Raizen, on 26 April 2016 - 04:40 PM, said:

So.. I'm back to the same question I ask myself at the end of every book: how was Kurald Emurlahn shattered? I have a theory that might string together a few things. First, the following quotes:

MoI

I am Treach - one of many names. Trake, the Tiger of Summer, the Talons of War. Silent Hunter. I was there at the end, one of the few survivors once the T'lan Imass were done with us. Brutal, merciful slaughter. They had no choice - I see that now, though none of us were prepared to forgive. Not then. The wounds were too fresh.


Gods, we tore a warren to pieces on that distant continent. Turned the eastlands into molten stone that cooled and became something that defied sorcery. The T'lan Imass sacrificed thousands to cut away the cancer we had become. It was the end, the end of all that promise, all that bright glory. The end of the First Empire. Hubris, to have claimed a name that rightly belonged to the T'lan Imass.

MT

"No, my friend, with this day's victory this world lies before our feet. Here, you shall not suffer from the civil wars that plague Kurald Galain. And I and my followers shall escape the rivening that now besets Kurald Emurlahn-"

Silchas Ruin snorted. "A rivening by your own hand, Scabandari."


Now if we take these two quotes as fact, it would appear that the reason for Kurald Emurlahn's shattering is the Soletaken Ritual (Dessimbelackis becomes the Deragoth and other soletaken/D'ivers are made) in the First Empire that was somehow Scabandari Bloodeye's fault. If we skip ahead to the very beginning of The Bonehunters,

Spoiler

it is mentioned by Dejim that the Deragoth had a master in those days.

Is it possible that Scabandari was the driving force behind the Soletaken Ritual

Spoiler

and the old master of the Deragoth?

No, I don't think so.
If I remember correctly the K'Chain Che'Malle dominated the world before the rise of the Jaghut. The Tiste Invasion and the Civil War with the Nar'uk nealy extinguished them. I think that in the prologue of Midnight Tides Morn is also mentioned as the only settlement of the K'Chain Che Malle left.

At the time of the prologue of Memories of Ice Morn was a ruin and the one of the last Matrons was sealed inside the rent. Kilava did not know about the K'Chan Che Malle, so they were probably destroyed some thousand years ago.

The empire Trake mentioned was the first empire of the humans, not the Imass. So it should be some hundred thousand years after the Ritual of Tellann (Kallors Empire was destoyed 119,736 years before Burns Sleep. So the First Empire possibly existed before that time, but I'm not sure if this counts. But the first empire was destroyed by the T'lan Imass so this was definitly after the Ritual of Tellan.

In short: Tiste Invasion -> Ritual of Tellann -> First Empire destroyed

I don't think that the warren mentioned has to be Kurald Emurlahn. It could be a fragment, maybe the one of the whirlwind godness. And Icarium also destroyed a warren or wounded it badly.

But the mentioning of Otataral is interesting.

Spoiler

I always thought it was created to contain the giant jade statues. May there be a relation with the Crippled God? That would make the First Empire younger than Kallors Empire. But it is also possible that he is not really human and this is the reason why the other empire is counted as the first

[Kanese S's]

Interesting.

Admittedly my first thought was the Lether continent, but I think it's explained how the Glass Desert came about and it was nothing to do with the sundering of Emurlahn.