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Mafia 130 Sengoku Chapter 6 : The Tiger of Kai Game Thread

#621 User is offline   Merrid 

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 03:32 PM

View PostGait, on 18 February 2016 - 02:51 PM, said:

View PostMerrid, on 18 February 2016 - 02:39 PM, said:

http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1221061

this, Gait. Which got less attention than Denul removing his vote from you.


which part of that post was I supposed to get?

why is Denul's vote note worthy anyway?

The bit where I analyse Grasp and the reaction to him, perhaps?
As for Denul... there's nothing wrong with his vote, nor with the remove - it is just that more people comment on that than on Grasp in a game that has a dearth of analysis.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 05:42 PM

And.... no reply yet again.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 07:13 PM

I have lots of thinkies going on in the head meats. I think I'm going to give a try to who has refused to vote for certain people. Lynch train analysis aswel. With Penelope (baby) and being off work, I've had less time to play but I'm back in work Monday.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:24 PM

View PostMerrid, on 16 February 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

View PostGrasp, on 16 February 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

View PostMerrid, on 16 February 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

View PostGrasp, on 16 February 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

I think I have an idea or two. But I am debating on whether or not I am actually going to vote. So far NA's have taken out 1 on each side at night. Which has kept things fairly even. So if the lynch goes wrong going into the lull that gives the other faction a distinct advantage in a period where lynches will definitely happen.

What does that mean?


I could have phrased that differently, but what I meant was that after the battle phase a lynch is the most likely way to progress the game. During the battle phase multiple NA's have been flying around so lynching wasnt as important. If I take the meaning of "lull" literally, which may be a mistake, then I am guessing that NA's will be reduced and lynches will be necessary to get anything done.

That is not really what Shin said, though. He just said that abilities might change between phases.

View PostOmtose, on 09 February 2016 - 05:34 AM, said:

What I find interesting so far is that Denesmet and Shadow both seem to think that Grasp and I voted early on Hanas to steer things away from KF, when in fact we were the last votes and I explicitly said I was withholding a vote so that I could wait for additional developments


Which is interesting combined with the above - Omtose goes out of his way to include you, Grasp. Which is interesting if we go back to day 1.
To quote denul's earlier work:

View PostDenul, on 04 February 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

Anomandaris was the first person to vote for Fanderay. So the "pile on" as you call it Hanas happened from there. This is how the votes went down.

If anything, a "pile-on" would be Fanderay, Emurlahn and Hanas after the Eloth vote of Anomandaris.

Eloth > Anomandaris
Fanderay > Anomandaris
Emurlahn > Anomandaris
Hanas > Anomandaris

Merrid halts progress

Anomandaris > Fanderay
Kadagar Fant > Fanderay

The next person to vote after Kadagar is Merrid, who does not vote for Fanderay.

Merrid > Anomandaris

Grasp > Fanderay

Denul > Fanderay

Korlat > Hanas

Shadow > Fanderay

Emurlahn remove

Denesmet > Fanderay

Omtose > Fanderay

Hanas > remove vote

Hanas > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Eloth > Korlat

Eloth > Remove vote

Eloth > Fanderay

Aparal Forge > Fanderay


I think what Hanas is suggesting that Kadagar could be a leader and that his minions followed, but that would just lead a trail right back to the leader. You could look at the Fanderay lynch as a swing away from Ano, and therefore Ano could be a leader, with Hanas' logic.

So i'm voting for Hanas, purely because of his "night action" and because he seems to have more information than the rest of us.

Now, Anomandaris turned out Uesugi, and your vote was followed by a full train on Fanderay. Maybe not conclusive evidence as to your clan alignment, but by the time Hanas on day 2 was lynched, it was clear he was Takeda - making you and Omtose very likely Uesugi by applying the last couple of votes instead of diving the responsibility to lynch him :hrhr:.

Day 3 we have a no-lynch on Gait, and Denesmet dying at night. We're a day in the battle then. Day 4 we have the Ultama lynch and your curious 'don't vote during battle' bit, which could be read as a warning to the Uesugi team, perhaps - the clan in the lead during that stage. What little I have seen of the battle mechanic, means that numerical superiority is likely a factor in creating a higher force count at a location - leader warning subordinates to not squander the advantage?


View PostMerrid, on 18 February 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

And.... no reply yet again.


Well, it has something to it, but it's still signalling case from one half and "followed with votes" from the other half. Definitely a possiblity, but I don't really see it that much significant. Still you will hardly find better case in this game, so I like it and +1 for trying to get here some more activity

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 12:46 AM

Amakasu Kagemochi had relayed the order to his troops to break off their advance. He realized from the banner across from him that he was facing the famous Yamamoto Kansuke, whose troop strength looked to be nearly double his own. Soon he would lock horns with the famous Kansuke, just as he had hoped before the onset of battle. He merely hoped that Kenshin would have some reserve troops to spare to make the contest more fair. Just then a messenger arrived from Lord Uesugi Kenshin. Amakasu tore off the silk ribbon and carefully unrolled the scroll, which looked tiny in his gauntlet-clad hands. The message said simply, "Use your judgement." Kagemochi ordered his troops to be at the ready, but for now the battle would progress without him.


Sanada Yukitaka ordered his troops to turn and move towards Nobushige at the vanguard. They had just completed the maneuver when out of the mists rode Kakizaki Kageie and his reinforced Uesugi troops from the left flank of the Takeda lines. Taken completely by surprise and out of position, Sanada Yukitaka's troops were quickly overwhelmed and routed. Yukitaka committed seppuku and Kageie sent the head to Kenshin for viewing.

Sanada Yukitaka is dead. He was Merrid/Tapper of Tapper's beloved Takeda.

With Sanada Yukitaka engaged with Kakizaki Kageie, Takeda Nobushige and Naito Masatoyo found themselves in a two way effort to push back the Uesugi's largest remaining battle grouping. Working together, they managed to inflict casualties on Irobe Katsunaga, but Katsunaga would not be denied a push toward's Yamamoto Kansuke's center grouping. Nobushige was forced to give ground and Masatoyo's support withered. Nobushige grabbed his banner and retreated with his personal guard toward's Kansuke's command pavilion, leaving his battle group to perish. Yamamoto Kansuke's troops having not yet drawn their bows and swords did so now, and moved in to occupy where Nobushige's troops had made their stand and support Naito Masatoyo's remaning troops. Kansuke's men inflicted more casualties on the Uesugi, forcing them to withdraw. Although Takeda Shingen commended Nobushige for his steadfast bravery at the vanguard, and did not hold him at fault for losing to superior numbers, a few days after the battle, Takeda Nobushige would make the final arrangements of his estate and commit seppuku out of his own feeling of shame.

Takeda Nobushige is dead. He was Shadow/LinearPhilosopher of the Takeda.
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Posted 19 February 2016 - 11:59 AM

Man, people really don't seem keen on doing anything...

Vote Emur

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 12:26 PM

It is Day 6, 24 hours and 10 minutes are left in the day.

9 Players still alive: Denul, Eloth, Emurlahn, Gait, Grasp, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Omtose, Telas

1 vote Emurlahn : Eloth
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Posted 19 February 2016 - 01:43 PM

I like it Eloth, I'm going to

vote korlat

They've been quiet of late.

Why Emur?

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 02:36 PM

View PostDenul, on 19 February 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

I like it Eloth, I'm going to

vote korlat

They've been quiet of late.

Why Emur?


You're not wrong, to be honest I've been sort of torn between not wanting to rock the boat by going after anyone and having the chance of accidentally lynching a teammate, or actually being a productive player and making cases and stuff. Being a bit busy doesn't help with that.

Did Emur ever explain his fixation with Omtose? Maybe that has some standing on Eloth's vote? I'm not sure, but I'm not particularly opposed to an Emur vote, though I need to go back and read over his posts before I can do anything for sure.

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 02:52 PM

View PostKadagar Fant, on 16 February 2016 - 01:09 AM, said:

I'll be popping in and out for a bit, depending on how busy I get at work.

I still want to take another look at Emurlahn, but that's a bit tricky from my phone.


Did you ever get to take a look at Emur? I'm leaning towards him not being on my faction, so I may lay down a vote later on, but I'm open to more discussion today. Props to Eloth and Denul for being productive and Denul for calling me out.

I doubt we'll get anything of significance from Gait or Grasp, and I honestly have no read on Omtose(maybe that points to him coasting/low-contributing?). If an Emur lynch doesn't seem possible i'm still open to a low poster lynch (I'm leaning towards Gait out of those 3.)

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 03:22 PM

View PostOmtose, on 04 February 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Back at last.

I didn't drive by vote, I though KF had the right idea about Fanderay. I didn't give a reason as that would just be parroting KF's post

Hanas is who interests me. He intentionally gave wrong info about the scenes, and now wants us to follow him, with no valid or verifiable reason



It started because of this, they say they're interested in Hanas, yet then they confidently claim Hanas gave wrong info intentionally (whole the idea seems dumb to me, just why would they?) and the post doesn't lead to further discussion. Denul's countervote did ask for info and proved to be useful. They got some thoughts in later on the other hand. They kept confusing me with their faction allingment, but now I think they're not in my faction.


I had this gut feeling they're important, although we all feel important don't we, for some reason I chose them for my vote from low posters on D1, and now when I think I figured it I want to have some use of it. I'd certainly be willing to vote elsewhere but I've put some effort here already and they strike me as someone I don't want to stand against me and my faction, so once again

vote Omtose

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 03:32 PM

So in essence, you think they're not on your faction, and you have a gut instinct they're someone you need to lynch. Not particularly strong, but the only reason I don't have any issue with voting for you is that I don't think you're on my faction (based on what I've read up on and a good deal of gut), so I can't really judge. What's odd though is that I'm not confident at all that Omtose is on my side, which makes me wonder whether my gut on you is wrong or if I just haven't read up enough on Omtose.

Either way I'm heading out for a bit but I should be back in an hour or two

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 03:41 PM

Just a quick check in. Hopefully I will have some time later to read through

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 03:45 PM

View PostKorlat, on 19 February 2016 - 03:32 PM, said:

So in essence, you think they're not on your faction, and you have a gut instinct they're someone you need to lynch. Not particularly strong, but the only reason I don't have any issue with voting for you is that I don't think you're on my faction (based on what I've read up on and a good deal of gut), so I can't really judge. What's odd though is that I'm not confident at all that Omtose is on my side, which makes me wonder whether my gut on you is wrong or if I just haven't read up enough on Omtose.

Either way I'm heading out for a bit but I should be back in an hour or two


you only have to follow your heart now :hrhr: Posted Image

or maybe logic would be better...cause...y'know...

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 04:30 PM

At work, will catch up later on. Seems like we've got a tied ball game again, though.

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 07:32 PM

Fair enough Korlat. I now vote Kadagar for the same reason.

remove vote

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 01:40 AM

Ok, finally got some weekend time, so here are my thoughts on Emur...

So, Emur's interest in Omtose starts fairly early, when they single Omtose out for low posting:

View PostEmurlahn, on 04 February 2016 - 09:24 AM, said:

View PostShadow, on 04 February 2016 - 01:49 AM, said:

View PostHanas, on 03 February 2016 - 11:39 PM, said:

Vote Kadagar Fant
Because I've got a suspicion and I want to see where it goes.


tempting to join to see where hanas experiment will go.

That being said in all the drama that happened in the previous day Omtose didn't really make any points just drove by lynching. Strikes me as the kind of behavior where you're trying to fly under the radar.

Im hoping to be on for the next little while. If not its good night for now.



Im curious what Hanas got here.

About Omtose I agree, apparently time is not excuse and I think they have not posted any thoughts at all.
OE hasn't either,but oh well

vote Omtose

Where are y'all anyway? Time's running


What interests me is that Emur completely ignores four of the five people who hadn't voted at all on the previous day, and only mentions Olar in passing. No explanation for why OE is dismissed in favour of Omtose, despite OE only having one post and not voting at all.

Also interesting is the "time's running" comment. Considering there were about 26 hours left in the day at this point, it stands out. It's not the last time Emur makes this sort of comment either.

View PostEmurlahn, on 10 February 2016 - 10:18 PM, said:

only did a really quick read through

I see pressuring Gait didn't give us any info afaik

remove vote


I don't have a case so with Ultama being at L-2 you won't need my vote today

this is moving really slow(I'm not certainly helping)

I don't really like Ult saying their name was mentioned, the names mentioned there have high ranks. And I would need a reread to sort my thoughts about them and people voting

I should have more time tommorow


This is the first post of Emur's that really stood out to me. They say the thread doesn't need their vote today, then says the game is moving slowly, then says they don't like Ultama's actions. It reads like someone being very reluctant to vote, but not wanting to say why.

Later, Emur returns and it looks like they provide the hammer to Ultama's lynch, but in actual fact it's Aparal Forge who hammers. Why is it important for Emur to look like they're on the train?



View PostEmurlahn, on 11 February 2016 - 02:39 PM, said:

I'm here and not really up-to-date

I'm not personally convinced about Ultama's alignment too much, but I'm more inclined he's on the other fatcion. People who voted doesn't really make it easier for me. But I don't want no lynch so I'll take it


vote Ultama


will come back later today


Day five, Emur returns to voting Omtose:



View PostEmurlahn, on 11 February 2016 - 05:26 PM, said:

View PostTelas, on 11 February 2016 - 04:26 PM, said:

I've got a pretty good idea on what's happening on thread. I'm wondering how much it actually plays into the scenes though. If we lynch a player, do his forces then disappear from whatever map Shin has drawn up? Thus, we have to tactically identify where we are on the map, where our teammates and enemies are, and then somehow manage to turn that into a useful lynch for our team.... This doesn't really seem like a faction game other than there are teams.

Seems like a stalemate now unless someone votes for their own team members on accident and we manage a lynch that way.



Which is still quite likely I'd say, I'm ceratinly not confident with people here, lot of them are still question marks for me and last lynch left some confusion in me too, I'm personally not really reluctant to vote those as not doing so would be kinda lame for me...

Trying to sort my mind after Ultama lynch. Also regarding to Telas's post about tactics.


vote Omtose

About the last day or when I posted that, I thought we have roughly 2 hours to timeout. I was really in rush, must've terribly misread soemthing.


We're now into day six, and Emur is voting Omtose yet again, despite consistent lack of interest from the rest of the thread:


View PostEmurlahn, on 19 February 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

View PostOmtose, on 04 February 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Back at last.

I didn't drive by vote, I though KF had the right idea about Fanderay. I didn't give a reason as that would just be parroting KF's post

Hanas is who interests me. He intentionally gave wrong info about the scenes, and now wants us to follow him, with no valid or verifiable reason



It started because of this, they say they're interested in Hanas, yet then they confidently claim Hanas gave wrong info intentionally (whole the idea seems dumb to me, just why would they?) and the post doesn't lead to further discussion. Denul's countervote did ask for info and proved to be useful. They got some thoughts in later on the other hand. They kept confusing me with their faction allingment, but now I think they're not in my faction.


I had this gut feeling they're important, although we all feel important don't we, for some reason I chose them for my vote from low posters on D1, and now when I think I figured it I want to have some use of it. I'd certainly be willing to vote elsewhere but I've put some effort here already and they strike me as someone I don't want to stand against me and my faction, so once again

vote Omtose


This whole post is rubbish, quite frankly. Demonstrably, Emur's interest in Omtose started before Omtose made any mention of Hanas, because their first post about Omtose is in relation to the Fanderay lynch. Emur started voting for Omtose on day two, how would they have had any information on Omtose's alignment at that early point? "Gut feeling"s and "for some reason"s don't explain anything about why Emur is really voting Omtose, especially with the kind of consistency we've seen from Emur so far.


And I wonder if Emur is pushing Omtose as a safe bet, to make it look like Emur is doing something useful, without revealing anything about themselves. The flip-flopping on the Ultama lynch, the fixation on Omtose, and a brief interest in Gait, all seem to point to someone who is trying very hard to fly under the radar, without getting called on it.

If this were a town game, I'd be jumping up and down screaming SCUM right now, which is probably why Emur stands out so much to me in the first place. But everything I've seen from him suggests he's not in my faction, and his squirrellyness is ringing some alarm bells.

Vote Emurlahn.

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 02:36 AM

I'll actually lay down my vote on Emur now, no reason to wait, honestly.

Vote Emurlahn

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 07:29 AM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 19 February 2016 - 12:26 PM, said:

It is Day 6, 24 hours and 10 minutes are left in the day.

9 Players still alive: Denul, Eloth, Emurlahn, Gait, Grasp, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Omtose, Telas

1 vote Emurlahn : Eloth


How long left? No mention of a weekend freeze.

remove vote

Vote Emurlahn


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Posted 20 February 2016 - 07:29 AM

By my estimations there's roughly 4 hours to go

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