[Hood's Path]

Olar Ethil, on 31 October 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

Mockra, on 30 October 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

7065630

Simple alphabet to number conversion, A = 1, B = 2, etc.

Add up all the numbers which make 'MOCKRA' - 13, 15, 3, 11, 18, 1 = 61

61 multiplied by those same numbers = 7065630.

Wait... He SAID he was going to code his name. How does this do any good if he gave us the solution with the code??? I suppose his maths were weird logics that I couldn't be pressed to come up with if I tried...

Weird.

yeah, it would be nice if he used md5 next time, easier for everyone

[Kessobahn]

This is a please-keep-me-alive-post-if-you-count-modkill-timers-from-my-last-post-instead-of-from-weekend-break-onwards.

Anyway, to provide a little bit of content:

Liosan, on 30 October 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

So the significant deaths of the last night/day include the wizard leader and the barb heir. The wizards and the barbs are very vulnerable now. I'm going to take a closer look at Togg and Gait's defenders yesterday as they were both pressured. I assume at the very least we'll manage to find the wizard heir. I'm not sure the barb leader would be open about defending one of his underlings. That would probably be the job of another barb who has less to lose.

Hood, on 30 October 2015 - 06:29 PM, said:

well, atleast he could do the checkings...btw Mockra is ok

So Hood, what do you mean Mockra is ok? You mean that his code was good enough?

I should also mention that Ryllandaras didn't say a thing after PS posted that message from the plains, but when that post was mentioned by Eloth, Ryllandaras pipes up with the following:

Ryllandaras, on 29 October 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 29 October 2015 - 03:52 PM, said:

With the obvious contradiction upthread about Togg's NA and being controlled, I think we need to consider that Liosan's second post might indeed be correct

This line of inquiry makes sense to me.

He has not acknowledged the fact that he was mentioned at all. I find this an odd play. Either he hopes we all forget about it or there really is nothing to that message at all.

I usually like to take a closer look at low posters by this point in the game but the last couple low-posting alts that died turned out to be elementals... which really takes the wind out of my sails.

Is this me, or does Liosan let slip that he knows how the faction structure at the top of a faction looks (leader knows heir and vice versa)?
By language he also insinuates he doesn't care if whether the lynch falls on wizards or barbs, thus making him a Rogue and potentially a high ranking one at that.

[Mockra]

Hood, on 31 October 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 31 October 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

Mockra, on 30 October 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

7065630

Simple alphabet to number conversion, A = 1, B = 2, etc.

Add up all the numbers which make 'MOCKRA' - 13, 15, 3, 11, 18, 1 = 61

61 multiplied by those same numbers = 7065630.

Wait... He SAID he was going to code his name. How does this do any good if he gave us the solution with the code??? I suppose his maths were weird logics that I couldn't be pressed to come up with if I tried...

Weird.

yeah, it would be nice if he used md5 next time, easier for everyone

I came up with my code before the whole md5 craze. There was nothing wrong with it - are you saying you could have made 'mockra' out of that gibberish without knowing how to come up with the solution? Somehow I don't think so. So let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

[Ultama]

Mockra, on 02 November 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

I came up with my code before the whole md5 craze. There was nothing wrong with it - are you saying you could have made 'mockra' out of that gibberish without knowing how to come up with the solution? Somehow I don't think so. So let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

The whole MD5 thing is a bit flawed anyway, although we could up the protocol a bit to increase its "security".

Let's take HP case.

Hood claims to be possessed yesterday. As he posted a MD5 hash at the start of the day and today confirmed it was legit, the possession took place after the start of the day and ended at latest with night. So daily checking gives Hood no evidence to prove his possessed status nor any means for us to check his claim. That means that the daily ritual of checking hashes provides us with no evidence about said possession. However, we can use the hash during the day it was posted by asking a suspected possessed player for a hash reveal. This introduces another problem: As we now ask for the solution of a hash posted that day, it could very well be posted by the player who took possession of the alt that day.* The only way to avoid this is to create a chain of identity "proofs" by posting the new hash before or at the latest simultaneous with the reveal of the old. That way, we know that the player in charge of the alt while posting the new hash is the same player who posted yesterday's hash for that alt. Now, I don't if possession on consecutive days is allowed, but this at least limits the possibilities of the possessor. However, to avoid breaking the "chain of identity" and mitigate the danger of being possessed after the reveal with no new hash in place, the player must set a new hash with that reveal. (In principle, if we all reveal and set a new hash before the end of day, we would be able to identify possessed alts.)


*) For example, I didn't post a hash yesterday. If someone possessed me, that player could post a hash for my alt and be able to reveal if pressured. In fact, they could've really "done me in" as I would not have been able to reveal that hash today, drawing the suspicion of being possessed today.

So, any hash posted after the reveal of the old hash could potentially be compromised, as the alt could be taken over between the reveal and the posting of a new hash.

[Liosan]

Kessobahn, on 02 November 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

This is a please-keep-me-alive-post-if-you-count-modkill-timers-from-my-last-post-instead-of-from-weekend-break-onwards.Anyway, to provide a little bit of content:

Liosan, on 30 October 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

So the significant deaths of the last night/day include the wizard leader and the barb heir. The wizards and the barbs are very vulnerable now. I'm going to take a closer look at Togg and Gait's defenders yesterday as they were both pressured. I assume at the very least we'll manage to find the wizard heir. I'm not sure the barb leader would be open about defending one of his underlings. That would probably be the job of another barb who has less to lose.

Hood, on 30 October 2015 - 06:29 PM, said:

well, atleast he could do the checkings...btw Mockra is ok

So Hood, what do you mean Mockra is ok? You mean that his code was good enough? I should also mention that Ryllandaras didn't say a thing after PS posted that message from the plains, but when that post was mentioned by Eloth, Ryllandaras pipes up with the following:

Ryllandaras, on 29 October 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 29 October 2015 - 03:52 PM, said:

With the obvious contradiction upthread about Togg's NA and being controlled, I think we need to consider that Liosan's second post might indeed be correct

This line of inquiry makes sense to me.

He has not acknowledged the fact that he was mentioned at all. I find this an odd play. Either he hopes we all forget about it or there really is nothing to that message at all. I usually like to take a closer look at low posters by this point in the game but the last couple low-posting alts that died turned out to be elementals... which really takes the wind out of my sails.

Is this me, or does Liosan let slip that he knows how the faction structure at the top of a faction looks (leader knows heir and vice versa)?By language he also insinuates he doesn't care if whether the lynch falls on wizards or barbs, thus making him a Rogue and potentially a high ranking one at that.

If you're referring to my talk of wizards and barbs being vulnerable, that is just straight up obvious. Going off of previous faction games, I assume leaders usually know some of their faction members. But you have a good point in that there is no reason that they 'have' to know who their members are. In that case, it will make it hard to track down the leaders based on thread interaction and who they defend. But I mean, we need something to work with on thread. If we can't assume the leaders know more about their factions then I'm at a loss as to how to track them down.

I'm glad you pulled that post actually. I wrote that if the barb leader knew a member of his faction was being targeted that he'd let another member of his faction do the defending. That doesn't make all that much sense now that I think of it. We can be fairly sure the leaders know some of their faction, but we have less reason to believe a low ranking faction members knows the other low rank members.

Anyway, I'm glad to see a low poster show up. Now if we can manage to get some of the others to interact with us on thread we can actually start playing the game again.

[Olar Ethil]

Path-Shaper, on 30 October 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

As of this post...

Eloth, on 30 October 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

Gait, on 30 October 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Ultama, on 30 October 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

The fact that's bugging me is that the Wizards tried to deflect so desperately so early, in an effort including multiple players (I think) and spending multiple of conjured elementals. Wonder why they deemed that necessary on D1?

Simple. I wanted my heir dead. Looks like he'll off me first though. As leader my VC as explained to me contains the phrase "if you live". My fishing with PS led me to believe that the heirs have a secondary VC that is conditional upon them overthrowing their leaders.

Pure supposition: this is Blend setting up the next game which will be factional but mixed professions.

Well I think that this makes my decision easy to make.

Vote Gait

It is now Day 3. 1 hours 58 minutes remaining.

15 players left alive: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Denul, Eloth, Gait, Hood’s Path, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Ryllandaras, Serc, Togg, Ultama

8 votes for a lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

6 votes Gait: Togg, Denul, Olar Ethil, Mockra, Bendal Home, Eloth
2 votes Togg: Hood's Path,Gait


Players not voted: Denesmet, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ryllandaras, Serc, Ultama
Gait has been lynched. He was Corwin, the Leader of the Wizards, and Gnaw.


It is now Night 3. I am now working on resolution.

I'm inclined to look at who was resistant to this lynch. Probably not voters, but I'm going to read back over their interactions.

[Eloth]

Olar Ethil, on 02 November 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 30 October 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

As of this post...

Eloth, on 30 October 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

Gait, on 30 October 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Ultama, on 30 October 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

The fact that's bugging me is that the Wizards tried to deflect so desperately so early, in an effort including multiple players (I think) and spending multiple of conjured elementals. Wonder why they deemed that necessary on D1?

Simple. I wanted my heir dead. Looks like he'll off me first though. As leader my VC as explained to me contains the phrase "if you live". My fishing with PS led me to believe that the heirs have a secondary VC that is conditional upon them overthrowing their leaders.

Pure supposition: this is Blend setting up the next game which will be factional but mixed professions.

Well I think that this makes my decision easy to make.

Vote Gait

It is now Day 3. 1 hours 58 minutes remaining.

15 players left alive: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Denul, Eloth, Gait, Hood’s Path, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Ryllandaras, Serc, Togg, Ultama

8 votes for a lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

6 votes Gait: Togg, Denul, Olar Ethil, Mockra, Bendal Home, Eloth
2 votes Togg: Hood's Path,Gait


Players not voted: Denesmet, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ryllandaras, Serc, Ultama
Gait has been lynched. He was Corwin, the Leader of the Wizards, and Gnaw.


It is now Night 3. I am now working on resolution.

I'm inclined to look at who was resistant to this lynch. Probably not voters, but I'm going to read back over their interactions.

Just from the glance I think you can rule Mockra out. PS messed up the not voted and left him in there.

[Hood's Path]

Mockra, on 02 November 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

Hood, on 31 October 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 31 October 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

Mockra, on 30 October 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

7065630

Simple alphabet to number conversion, A = 1, B = 2, etc.

Add up all the numbers which make 'MOCKRA' - 13, 15, 3, 11, 18, 1 = 61

61 multiplied by those same numbers = 7065630.

Wait... He SAID he was going to code his name. How does this do any good if he gave us the solution with the code??? I suppose his maths were weird logics that I couldn't be pressed to come up with if I tried...

Weird.

yeah, it would be nice if he used md5 next time, easier for everyone

I came up with my code before the whole md5 craze. There was nothing wrong with it - are you saying you could have made 'mockra' out of that gibberish without knowing how to come up with the solution? Somehow I don't think so. So let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

Im just saying that md5 is easier to provide for you and easier to check for us

[Hood's Path]

Liosan, on 02 November 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

I'm glad you pulled that post actually. I wrote that if the barb leader knew a member of his faction was being targeted that he'd let another member of his faction do the defending. That doesn't make all that much sense now that I think of it. We can be fairly sure the leaders know some of their faction, but we have less reason to believe a low ranking faction members knows the other low rank members.

What exactly do you mean by low rank members?

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 4. 48 hours remaining. TIMER IS OFFICIALLY UNFROZEN.

12 players left alive: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Denul, Eloth, Hood’s Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Ryllandaras, Serc, Ultama

7 votes for a lynch, 6 votes to go to night.




Players not voted: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Denul, Eloth, Hood’s Path, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Ryllandaras, Serc, Ultama

[Path-Shaper]

You see sparks shoot through the night. When you squint your eyes just right, you can tell that they are coming from Olar Ethil's fingers.

[Olar Ethil]

Path-Shaper, on 02 November 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

You see sparks shoot through the night. When you squint your eyes just right, you can tell that they are coming from Olar Ethil's fingers.

sounds like someone is screwing around since I don't have an ability that could do that.

[Path-Shaper]

You hear a magical whisper on the winds. You hear a voice announce:

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O' wise leader Ghengis. Khan of khan's. Conqueror of a town of Edom, on the Gulf of Aqabah, one of the “stations” of the Israelites in the wilderness (Deut. 2:8).
Now, you rest there. You stay there. We're coming for you.

[Liosan]

Hood, on 02 November 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 02 November 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

I'm glad you pulled that post actually. I wrote that if the barb leader knew a member of his faction was being targeted that he'd let another member of his faction do the defending. That doesn't make all that much sense now that I think of it. We can be fairly sure the leaders know some of their faction, but we have less reason to believe a low ranking faction members knows the other low rank members.

What exactly do you mean by low rank members?

Those that are not the leader or heir. Unless we become heir without warning as the top ranks are killed off. Then everyone but the leader is 'low ranking' I suppose.

[Liosan]

Olar Ethil, on 02 November 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 02 November 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

You see sparks shoot through the night. When you squint your eyes just right, you can tell that they are coming from Olar Ethil's fingers.

sounds like someone is screwing around since I don't have an ability that could do that.

But you are a wizard?

[Olar Ethil]

Liosan, on 02 November 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 02 November 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 02 November 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

You see sparks shoot through the night. When you squint your eyes just right, you can tell that they are coming from Olar Ethil's fingers.

sounds like someone is screwing around since I don't have an ability that could do that.

But you are a wizard?

Nope. Hence my doggedly trying to lynch them.

Edit lunch=lynch typo

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 02 November 2015 - 04:53 PM

[Hood's Path]

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I'm not sure the barb leader would be open about defending one of his underlings. That would probably be the job of another barb who has less to lose.

Liosan, on 02 November 2015 - 04:39 PM, said:

Hood, on 02 November 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 02 November 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

We can be fairly sure the leaders know some of their faction, but we have less reason to believe a low ranking faction members knows the other low rank members.

What exactly do you mean by low rank members?

Those that are not the leader or heir. Unless we become heir without warning as the top ranks are killed off. Then everyone but the leader is 'low ranking' I suppose.

So youre saying 'we have less reason to believe a low ranking faction members knows the other low rank members'. Youre talking here generally, not concretely about barbs. Well, But I certainly have a reason to believe low members do NOT know other lows, but you dont seem to be familiar with that reason, hence the first post.

So this whole thing implies youre heir/leader, right?

[Liosan]

You're right in that we should be able to say that low ranks do not know other low ranks, but the balance of this game might be all over the place, and I doubt my role is anything like that of the other factions (though my faction may be somewhat obvious by this point). I don't know anyone besides my leader, nor do I have the ability to 'discover' others, but I've got skills pertinent to thread debate and votes rather than off-thread/night bullshit. Doesn't mean there aren't weird pairings or the ability to establish communication with other players and possibly other faction members. Just exploring possible mechanics here, since there's not much else going on besides code-fluff.

You seem to be going very hard for me here Hood. Can I assume it was you silencing me? Was it that I pointed out your attempted deflection from Gait?

Hood, on 02 November 2015 - 06:16 PM, said:

But I certainly have a reason to believe low members do NOT know other lows

I'm sure you do.

As much as I'd love to go after you Hood (a wizard, maybe the new leader?), I'd really rather we stop ignoring silent low posters who are almost definitely rogues sitting this game out on the sidelines. I suspect they may have one vocal player on thread but the rest are taking the week off apparently.

[Liosan]

Olar Ethil, on 02 November 2015 - 04:52 PM, said:

Liosan, on 02 November 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 02 November 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 02 November 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

You see sparks shoot through the night. When you squint your eyes just right, you can tell that they are coming from Olar Ethil's fingers.

sounds like someone is screwing around since I don't have an ability that could do that.

But you are a wizard?

Nope. Hence my doggedly trying to lynch them.Edit lunch=lynch typo

Right. So possibly an attempt to misdirect attention from someone onto you. Actually, the time frame of that message and the other "magical whisper on the winds" message, makes me suspect both actions were taken by the wizards.

[Hood's Path]

Liosan, on 02 November 2015 - 06:47 PM, said:

You seem to be going very hard for me here Hood. Can I assume it was you silencing me? Was it that I pointed out your attempted deflection from Gait?

Hood, on 02 November 2015 - 06:16 PM, said:

But I certainly have a reason to believe low members do NOT know other lows

I'm sure you do.

As much as I'd love to go after you Hood (a wizard, maybe the new leader?), I'd really rather we stop ignoring silent low posters who are almost definitely rogues sitting this game out on the sidelines. I suspect they may have one vocal player on thread but the rest are taking the week off apparently.

So you assume I silenced you. And that Im a wizard. Heres the silence:

Path-Shaper, on 28 October 2015 - 08:58 PM, said:

You hear a loud bellowing echo across the planes. It yells:

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You scamper like rats while my folk grow mighty on meats and drink. Only the weak command from the shadows, Ryllandaras! Come join the fray. And Liosan, if you could please be silent for the next 8 hours and spare us your indecisive mewling, that'd be great.

Does that sounds like a wizard to you? well, Im pretty sure its barbarians. Magical whispers are wizards. And mumbles in shadows are rogues. Not that hard to deduce.

So those things does not go together. Plus it was actually Gait in my alt that day.

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You're right in that we should be able to say that low ranks do not know other low ranks, but the balance of this game might be all over the place, and I doubt my role is anything like that of the other factions (though my faction may be somewhat obvious by this point). I don't know anyone besides my leader, nor do I have the ability to 'discover' others, but I've got skills pertinent to thread debate and votes rather than off-thread/night bullshit. Doesn't mean there aren't weird pairings or the ability to establish communication with other players and possibly other faction members. Just exploring possible mechanics here, since there's not much else going on besides code-fluff.

Im not saying that theere is no way lows could know themselves. But as I pointed out before, you were talking in general, and in general I, and I believe Im not alone, assume that they cant. Theres too much skill possibilites its pointless to try and cover them all.

And regarding someone, too lazy to look up who now, saying you know high ranks structure, I dont see that as any special knowledge. I think we can assume leaders know members, and well we all know our leaders, right? Then its obvious that heir will know who leader is and that leader will know who heir is.