[Denul]

Liosan, on 28 October 2015 - 08:10 PM, said:

Mockra, on 28 October 2015 - 08:05 PM, said:

Togg, any of those arguments (doesn't sound like you, not your regular timezone) could be countered. Mind you, HP could just as easily be making it up. This is a tricky one.

Yeah, this one will be tough. Mockra may be right in that Hood revealed an ability without any obvious pressure besides the early focus on Gait.

I agree with both of these sentiments

[Denul]

I'm going to be around a little bit


Vote Gait

[Gait]

Sorry, real life took an uninteresting turn last week but medicine has triumphed this day. I shall retire intoxicated, over-nicotined, and quite baked for the next few hours.

Auf auf wiedersehen und guten nacht!

[Togg]

Olar Ethil, on 28 October 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

Can you demonstrate? I haven't found how this can be reversed once generated.

It cannot be reversed which is the beauty of it. It is a checksum created by the data. I tell you the sentence, you check the MD5 of the sentence is the same as the one I posted. So the sentence could be "Togg is endowed like an elephant and as happy as a dog with two tails" with a resulting MD5 of 46774327AB46. If I should say Dog instead of dog the sum becomes FE5774CCB574. So someone pretending to be me would not only have to know the sentence but every minor detail. Of course the sentence "Wiggle slops terrior basket Gold" could have the same checksum as the original however it makes absolutely no sense. My sentence includes my alt name.

[Olar Ethil]

Togg, on 29 October 2015 - 12:00 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 28 October 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

Can you demonstrate? I haven't found how this can be reversed once generated.

It cannot be reversed which is the beauty of it. It is a checksum created by the data. I tell you the sentence, you check the MD5 of the sentence is the same as the one I posted. So the sentence could be "Togg is endowed like an elephant and as happy as a dog with two tails" with a resulting MD5 of 46774327AB46. If I should say Dog instead of dog the sum becomes FE5774CCB574. So someone pretending to be me would not only have to know the sentence but every minor detail. Of course the sentence "Wiggle slops terrior basket Gold" could have the same checksum as the original however it makes absolutely no sense. My sentence includes my alt name.

Thank you. Now that I've tested it out it makes sense, and I'm good that you can't easily falsify it. Which convinces me that you aren't the alt jumper for now.

remove vote

vote Gait

and this makes me think HP is lying for a reason..

My hash:
C2BC526FA04CCF6C70760BF6D3426C3B

[Bendal Home]

I have been reading up and it seems to me that Hps 'reveal' is a bit fishy.

The code might be a good idea, I checked and found its pretty impossible to decrypt, apparently the decrypters use an algorithm and a huge database of words. The 2 sites I tried couldn't decrypt mine.

my code is 4519E03CFBF2395B7D09C646DEEE9A16

[Serc]

Olar Ethil, on 29 October 2015 - 12:35 AM, said:

Togg, on 29 October 2015 - 12:00 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 28 October 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

Can you demonstrate? I haven't found how this can be reversed once generated.

It cannot be reversed which is the beauty of it. It is a checksum created by the data. I tell you the sentence, you check the MD5 of the sentence is the same as the one I posted. So the sentence could be "Togg is endowed like an elephant and as happy as a dog with two tails" with a resulting MD5 of 46774327AB46. If I should say Dog instead of dog the sum becomes FE5774CCB574. So someone pretending to be me would not only have to know the sentence but every minor detail. Of course the sentence "Wiggle slops terrior basket Gold" could have the same checksum as the original however it makes absolutely no sense. My sentence includes my alt name.

Thank you. Now that I've tested it out it makes sense, and I'm good that you can't easily falsify it. Which convinces me that you aren't the alt jumper for now.

remove vote

vote Gait

and this makes me think HP is lying for a reason..

My hash:
C2BC526FA04CCF6C70760BF6D3426C3B

If HP is lying, what if he's been jumped into and it is Gait who is controlling him?

Nothing Togg has said has proven that he's innocent though, did he not say that he'd been jumped into on day 2? HP claiming that Aparal was jumped into would mean that one is lying or that there are 2 jumpers.

If HP is lying then the reason must be to protect Gait.

If Togg is lying then it's only to protect himself.

Am I missing something?

[Serc]

My code generated;
EE262A797AB271AA1B9D929BD34574BF

The more I think on this the more this the more I'm willing to trust Togg isn't the jumper.
vote gait

[Kessobahn]

Togg, on 28 October 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

Serc, on 28 October 2015 - 08:48 PM, said:

Vote Togg

Something is definitely off here.

Unfortunately for you, it's HP talking out his ass. I'd suggest waiting on counter-claims to the Tholen kill and hearing back from Gait before you get stuck in a rut.

Waiting for a counter-claim is pointless. Did you get a specific message that YOU killed Tholen? Did you get confirmation you actually hit Tholen? Do you know how many hit points Tholen had? If none of the above, then any other player can "claim" the same without much repercussion. With the way you're playing right now, the Wizards quite probably fear you enough to start targeting you with everything they have. Better not to be too closely associated with you, hmm?

As for AF: I don't believe they were Dominated. I do believe AF's slip was involuntarily and the info in there was good enough to lynch him.
My guess is, there's an ability that makes PS put the last PM from a given player on thread from that players' alt.

With regard to these MD5 codes: as a mod, I know we have no issue with the wonkier game mechanics that players all love and expect in TMDI-high games. Yet when such mechanics do show up, we as players try and eliminate them as thoroughly as we can including relying on third party stuff, potentially unbalancing whatever balance of power exists on paper. It's a weird paradox between what we want and what we do. My stance on the issue is that I'd like to satisfy the want and bring what we do in line with this, so that we can keep roles like these in games (see also: Faceless Man) even though being hit by it is a major pain.

With regard to possession, it is tricky enough to correctly impersonate someone well enough to fool the thread anyway, so most of the time this will be an additional vote/elaborate find at best.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 3. 32 hours 57 minutes remaining.

15 players left alive: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Denul, Eloth, Gait, Hood’s Path, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Ryllandaras, Serc, Togg, Ultama

8 votes for a lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

4 votes Gait: Togg, Denul, Olar Ethil, Serc
1 vote Togg: Hood's Path


Players not voted: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eloth, Gait, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Ryllandaras, Ultama

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 October 2015 - 08:53 AM

[Kessobahn]

Denul, on 28 October 2015 - 10:47 PM, said:

Togg, on 28 October 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

Hood, on 28 October 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

I was watching to see what you said, I also wanted to know which faction Aparal was in, and I knew he wasn't my leader so I didn't feel the need to come out of the woodwork with it. I was surprised you didn't show up in thread. You also didn't perform an action last night because I investigated you again, you musn't have had time to put in an action, so I knew you'd be in your alt today, being in someone else's alt may have protected you somehow for all I knew.

Actually I did put in an action but I wouldn't expect you to know that. Gait, how is your health holding up? Not that I really expect an honest answer.

So HP, I'm a Wizard because Domination is a Wizard ability right? So I must be Wizard Leader to have that, right? So I dominated my own Elite Wizard and got him lynched? Doesn't that make me a bit of an idiot? Not only that but to have put in the "slipped" Aparal post about using Elementals I would have to have known that Aparals CF would have been a Wizard faction one. So I knowingly and intentionally got one of my own hung out to dry. Tell me why.

As an aside, I thought I started off as a fake all? You're just jumping for reasons to get rid of me aren't you.

Why are you asking about his health?

Because he wants to attract attention to Gait?
In addition, I also assume that the damage he does (4 HP) is recognizable to some others, so he might also subtly be broadcasting his alignment.

[Togg]

Kessobahn, on 29 October 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:

Waiting for a counter-claim is pointless. Did you get a specific message that YOU killed Tholen? Did you get confirmation you actually hit Tholen? Do you know how many hit points Tholen had? If none of the above, then any other player can "claim" the same without much repercussion. With the way you're playing right now, the Wizards quite probably fear you enough to start targeting you with everything they have. Better not to be too closely associated with you, hmm?

It is pretty safe to assume that as a duplicate alt Tholen did not possess abilities or attributes that put him beyond my reach or that he had a substantial number of HitP. My claim is that my activity in that phase was an attack. HoodP claims it was a "Dominate." Can you carry out two such wildly different actions at the same time? I contend that the two are mutually exclusive if game is to be at all balanced.

Yes, anyone else can claim to have attacked Tholen. No-one has.

Gee, the Wizards fear me now? Oh shucks, does that mean that the people who have been attacking me all game aren't the Wizards? Oh woe is me. Waily waily waily. You get the picture.

How about we take another Wizard down and actually lynch Gait this time.

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As for AF: I don't believe they were Dominated. I do believe AF's slip was involuntarily and the info in there was good enough to lynch him.
My guess is, there's an ability that makes PS put the last PM from a given player on thread from that players' alt.

I have doubts about PS posting it from a players alt. I think it a mistake by AF submitting his provisional quickly in the new Day. Only SH or a repeat will tell though.

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With regard to these MD5 codes: as a mod, I know we have no issue with the wonkier game mechanics that players all love and expect in TMDI-high games. Yet when such mechanics do show up, we as players try and eliminate them as thoroughly as we can including relying on third party stuff, potentially unbalancing whatever balance of power exists on paper. It's a weird paradox between what we want and what we do. My stance on the issue is that I'd like to satisfy the want and bring what we do in line with this, so that we can keep roles like these in games (see also: Faceless Man) even though being hit by it is a major pain.

So you're saying you don't like the MD5s? Well fine, next time you're modding say something. It's up to Blend to comment in this game and your "as a mod" is not relevant here. I imagine HP will have an opinion on it tomorrow that I'd like to hear.

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With regard to possession, it is tricky enough to correctly impersonate someone well enough to fool the thread anyway, so most of the time this will be an additional vote/elaborate find at best.

With the low posters we have it wouldn't be all that tricky. As them targeting me shows they're not put off by little issues like volume or style. Indeed as AP demonstrated it seems to be something of an attraction this game.

Kessobahn, on 29 October 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

Denul, on 28 October 2015 - 10:47 PM, said:

Togg, on 28 October 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

Actually I did put in an action but I wouldn't expect you to know that. Gait, how is your health holding up? Not that I really expect an honest answer.

So HP, I'm a Wizard because Domination is a Wizard ability right? So I must be Wizard Leader to have that, right? So I dominated my own Elite Wizard and got him lynched? Doesn't that make me a bit of an idiot? Not only that but to have put in the "slipped" Aparal post about using Elementals I would have to have known that Aparals CF would have been a Wizard faction one. So I knowingly and intentionally got one of my own hung out to dry. Tell me why.

As an aside, I thought I started off as a fake all? You're just jumping for reasons to get rid of me aren't you.

Why are you asking about his health?

Because he wants to attract attention to Gait?
In addition, I also assume that the damage he does (4 HP) is recognizable to some others, so he might also subtly be broadcasting his alignment.

Gait already deservedly has attention on him. I put that in because I've also attacked Gait. He didn't die therefore has more HP than a fake alt. Oh but sorry, Hood says I didn't do anything last night. Here Gait, have those HP back.

Indeed the 4 damage may be recognisable to my faction. However it does depend on people remembering the whole PM or having made the same choices as me. I don't know about you but my original selection sheet was trimmed by PS to leave just what I chose so I can't see the other options any more. Perhaps your eagle-eyed razor-sharp mod-skillz and photographic memory give you that much information. Not me though and not most people I'd wager.

So, Kessobahn is grumpy in the morning. Big surprise there.

I'm off to bed.

[Mockra]

You attacked Tholen and Gait?

Someone suggested upthread that it's also possible HP has been possessed and made to attack Togg in order to protect Gait. This game is definitely more than the usual level of mafia mindfuck.


I think I'm leaning toward lynching Gait, and seeing what happens with these two tomorrow.


Vote Gait

[Hood's Path]

Mockra, on 29 October 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

You attacked Tholen and Gait?

Someone suggested upthread that it's also possible HP has been possessed and made to attack Togg in order to protect Gait. This game is definitely more than the usual level of mafia mindfuck.


I think I'm leaning toward lynching Gait, and seeing what happens with these two tomorrow.


Vote Gait

He has pulled the wool over your eyes. I have asked PS something and once he answers you may get proof.

Is he claiming he used an ability last night but also claiming he was taken over for the full day?

How can he submit an action if he had no control over his alt?

[Kessobahn]

Togg, on 29 October 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 29 October 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:

Waiting for a counter-claim is pointless. Did you get a specific message that YOU killed Tholen? Did you get confirmation you actually hit Tholen? Do you know how many hit points Tholen had? If none of the above, then any other player can "claim" the same without much repercussion. With the way you're playing right now, the Wizards quite probably fear you enough to start targeting you with everything they have. Better not to be too closely associated with you, hmm?

It is pretty safe to assume that as a duplicate alt Tholen did not possess abilities or attributes that put him beyond my reach or that he had a substantial number of HitP. My claim is that my activity in that phase was an attack. HoodP claims it was a "Dominate." Can you carry out two such wildly different actions at the same time? I contend that the two are mutually exclusive if game is to be at all balanced.

I am not sure if you can't. The rules say nothing of the like and the active actions in my Role PM were so restrictive and situational compared to the free ability that I went for a passive one.

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Yes, anyone else can claim to have attacked Tholen. No-one has.

Yep. Why give away information for free?

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I have doubts about PS posting it from a players alt. I think it a mistake by AF submitting his provisional quickly in the new Day. Only SH or a repeat will tell though.

Yup, no way of knowing, but to me it looked like a direct reply and misposting those seem unlikely.

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So you're saying you don't like the MD5s? Well fine, next time you're modding say something. It's up to Blend to comment in this game and your "as a mod" is not relevant here. I imagine HP will have an opinion on it tomorrow that I'd like to hear.

No need to get prickly about it. I am just explaining what my reasoning is for not using them.

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Gait already deservedly has attention on him.

Correct. And with the attention remaining centered there, faction lines become visible on thread with attack and deflection surrounding it. It is interesting, to say the least.

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I put that in because I've also attacked Gait. He didn't die therefore has more HP than a fake alt. Oh but sorry, Hood says I didn't do anything last night. Here Gait, have those HP back.

Indeed the 4 damage may be recognisable to my faction. However it does depend on people remembering the whole PM or having made the same choices as me. I don't know about you but my original selection sheet was trimmed by PS to leave just what I chose so I can't see the other options any more. Perhaps your eagle-eyed razor-sharp mod-skillz and photographic memory give you that much information. Not me though and not most people I'd wager.

Thanks for being a dickhead. Copy/paste to a Word-sheet does wonders.

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So, Kessobahn is grumpy in the morning. Big surprise there.

I'm off to bed.

Yeah, I am grumpy. At the least I am not a belittling twat to people who offer a different opinion.
G'night.

[Mockra]

Actually, that's a really good point. How could Togg have put in an NA for last night if they were locked out of their alt the whole of the day, as they claim?

[Mockra]

For reference, in bold below:

Togg, on 29 October 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 29 October 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:

Waiting for a counter-claim is pointless. Did you get a specific message that YOU killed Tholen? Did you get confirmation you actually hit Tholen? Do you know how many hit points Tholen had? If none of the above, then any other player can "claim" the same without much repercussion. With the way you're playing right now, the Wizards quite probably fear you enough to start targeting you with everything they have. Better not to be too closely associated with you, hmm?

It is pretty safe to assume that as a duplicate alt Tholen did not possess abilities or attributes that put him beyond my reach or that he had a substantial number of HitP. My claim is that my activity in that phase was an attack. HoodP claims it was a "Dominate." Can you carry out two such wildly different actions at the same time? I contend that the two are mutually exclusive if game is to be at all balanced.

Yes, anyone else can claim to have attacked Tholen. No-one has.

Gee, the Wizards fear me now? Oh shucks, does that mean that the people who have been attacking me all game aren't the Wizards? Oh woe is me. Waily waily waily. You get the picture.

How about we take another Wizard down and actually lynch Gait this time.

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As for AF: I don't believe they were Dominated. I do believe AF's slip was involuntarily and the info in there was good enough to lynch him.
My guess is, there's an ability that makes PS put the last PM from a given player on thread from that players' alt.

I have doubts about PS posting it from a players alt. I think it a mistake by AF submitting his provisional quickly in the new Day. Only SH or a repeat will tell though.

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With regard to these MD5 codes: as a mod, I know we have no issue with the wonkier game mechanics that players all love and expect in TMDI-high games. Yet when such mechanics do show up, we as players try and eliminate them as thoroughly as we can including relying on third party stuff, potentially unbalancing whatever balance of power exists on paper. It's a weird paradox between what we want and what we do. My stance on the issue is that I'd like to satisfy the want and bring what we do in line with this, so that we can keep roles like these in games (see also: Faceless Man) even though being hit by it is a major pain.

So you're saying you don't like the MD5s? Well fine, next time you're modding say something. It's up to Blend to comment in this game and your "as a mod" is not relevant here. I imagine HP will have an opinion on it tomorrow that I'd like to hear.

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With regard to possession, it is tricky enough to correctly impersonate someone well enough to fool the thread anyway, so most of the time this will be an additional vote/elaborate find at best.

With the low posters we have it wouldn't be all that tricky. As them targeting me shows they're not put off by little issues like volume or style. Indeed as AP demonstrated it seems to be something of an attraction this game.

Kessobahn, on 29 October 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

Denul, on 28 October 2015 - 10:47 PM, said:

Togg, on 28 October 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

Actually I did put in an action but I wouldn't expect you to know that. Gait, how is your health holding up? Not that I really expect an honest answer.

So HP, I'm a Wizard because Domination is a Wizard ability right? So I must be Wizard Leader to have that, right? So I dominated my own Elite Wizard and got him lynched? Doesn't that make me a bit of an idiot? Not only that but to have put in the "slipped" Aparal post about using Elementals I would have to have known that Aparals CF would have been a Wizard faction one. So I knowingly and intentionally got one of my own hung out to dry. Tell me why.

As an aside, I thought I started off as a fake all? You're just jumping for reasons to get rid of me aren't you.

Why are you asking about his health?

Because he wants to attract attention to Gait?
In addition, I also assume that the damage he does (4 HP) is recognizable to some others, so he might also subtly be broadcasting his alignment.

Gait already deservedly has attention on him. I put that in because I've also attacked Gait. He didn't die therefore has more HP than a fake alt. Oh but sorry, Hood says I didn't do anything last night. Here Gait, have those HP back.

Indeed the 4 damage may be recognisable to my faction. However it does depend on people remembering the whole PM or having made the same choices as me. I don't know about you but my original selection sheet was trimmed by PS to leave just what I chose so I can't see the other options any more. Perhaps your eagle-eyed razor-sharp mod-skillz and photographic memory give you that much information. Not me though and not most people I'd wager.

So, Kessobahn is grumpy in the morning. Big surprise there.

I'm off to bed.

[Mockra]

Gonna wait till there's a response on this.

Remove Vote

[Serc]

remove vote

I want to hear this aswel.

[Eloth]

Togg, on 29 October 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

Gait already deservedly has attention on him. I put that in because I've also attacked Gait. He didn't die therefore has more HP than a fake alt. Oh but sorry, Hood says I didn't do anything last night. Here Gait, have those HP back.

Indeed the 4 damage may be recognisable to my faction. However it does depend on people remembering the whole PM or having made the same choices as me. I don't know about you but my original selection sheet was trimmed by PS to leave just what I chose so I can't see the other options any more. Perhaps your eagle-eyed razor-sharp mod-skillz and photographic memory give you that much information. Not me though and not most people I'd wager.

So, Kessobahn is grumpy in the morning. Big surprise there.

I'm off to bed.

Are you saying that you can absorb someone's hit points when you attack them. Kind of like a vampire or something?