[profsmith]

Guys, help me out, SOMEBODY?!

I read the books as they came out, bought them from the UK and them shipped to L.A. -- in other words, HARDCORE. But I have a weird personality quirk where I don't like to read series one after another -- I prefer to take time off, sometimes months, before going on to the next book. Whets the appetite, and keeps me from perhaps getting burned out on style or milieu. I've been reading SF and Fantasy for nearly fifty years, always done it that way. Anyway, I read the first five books as they came out, and then a variety of things kept me from The Bonehunters til well after it came out -- I know I had gotten fed up with bloated books at that point (you ever wonder how nearly every great fantasy or sf title written prior to the mid-70s was wrapped up in 200 pages, more or less?), and was particularly down on fantasy, was reading far more, sf, history, film criticism, etc. Anyway, by the time I noticed, the tenth book had come out and I'd not read books 6-9, although I bought them. So I right about the time I decided to go back to the series, I got very ill, and ended up reading all of the rest while drifting in and out of this weird illness-recovery process. And because of that, I think I lost one major plot point somewhere (are you ready?). In Memories of Ice, Lady Envy meets a T'lan Imass who tells her that on the continent of Assail there has been a dreadful conflict, and over 50,000 Imass have been slaughtered. Envy comes back with "It seems you've finally met a Jaghut Tyrant that is more than your match," to which the Imass replies: "Not Jaghut. Human."

OK, so here is my question -- was this ever explained or resolved? I know that my memory of books 6-10 if about 25% of my memory of the first five volumes. I can tell you all manner of things about the first five, and even roughly outline the plots, but because I a) read them faster, was ill and/or on kooky meds trying to recover, my memory of the last half of the saga is imperfect -- I don't know if Erikson got back to that or not, and if he did, I'd like to know.

So -- help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.

[LinearPhilosopher]

profsmith, on 20 August 2015 - 05:31 PM, said:

Guys, help me out, SOMEBODY?!

I read the books as they came out, bought them from the UK and them shipped to L.A. -- in other words, HARDCORE. But I have a weird personality quirk where I don't like to read series one after another -- I prefer to take time off, sometimes months, before going on to the next book. Whets the appetite, and keeps me from perhaps getting burned out on style or milieu. I've been reading SF and Fantasy for nearly fifty years, always done it that way. Anyway, I read the first five books as they came out, and then a variety of things kept me from The Bonehunters til well after it came out -- I know I had gotten fed up with bloated books at that point (you ever wonder how nearly every great fantasy or sf title written prior to the mid-70s was wrapped up in 200 pages, more or less?), and was particularly down on fantasy, was reading far more, sf, history, film criticism, etc. Anyway, by the time I noticed, the tenth book had come out and I'd not read books 6-9, although I bought them. So I right about the time I decided to go back to the series, I got very ill, and ended up reading all of the rest while drifting in and out of this weird illness-recovery process. And because of that, I think I lost one major plot point somewhere (are you ready?). In Memories of Ice, Lady Envy meets a T'lan Imass who tells her that on the continent of Assail there has been a dreadful conflict, and over 50,000 Imass have been slaughtered. Envy comes back with "It seems you've finally met a Jaghut Tyrant that is more than your match," to which the Imass replies: "Not Jaghut. Human."

OK, so here is my question -- was this ever explained or resolved? I know that my memory of books 6-10 if about 25% of my memory of the first five volumes. I can tell you all manner of things about the first five, and even roughly outline the plots, but because I a) read them faster, was ill and/or on kooky meds trying to recover, my memory of the last half of the saga is imperfect -- I don't know if Erikson got back to that or not, and if he did, I'd like to know.

So -- help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.

it's addressed in one of the ICE books as he has a book that takes place on the continent of assail. COuldnt give you any details as the last ICE book i read was orb scepter throne

This post has been edited by LinearPhilosopher: 20 August 2015 - 05:36 PM

[Nevyn]

Yeah, that conversation set up ICE's book rather than a plotline in SE's series, so you didn't miss anything.

Spoiler

And a lot of fans don't really like what ICE did with that setup anyway.

[Vengeance]

profsmith, on 20 August 2015 - 05:31 PM, said:

Guys, help me out, SOMEBODY?!

I read the books as they came out, bought them from the UK and them shipped to L.A. -- in other words, HARDCORE. But I have a weird personality quirk where I don't like to read series one after another -- I prefer to take time off, sometimes months, before going on to the next book. Whets the appetite, and keeps me from perhaps getting burned out on style or milieu. I've been reading SF and Fantasy for nearly fifty years, always done it that way. Anyway, I read the first five books as they came out, and then a variety of things kept me from The Bonehunters til well after it came out -- I know I had gotten fed up with bloated books at that point (you ever wonder how nearly every great fantasy or sf title written prior to the mid-70s was wrapped up in 200 pages, more or less?), and was particularly down on fantasy, was reading far more, sf, history, film criticism, etc. Anyway, by the time I noticed, the tenth book had come out and I'd not read books 6-9, although I bought them. So I right about the time I decided to go back to the series, I got very ill, and ended up reading all of the rest while drifting in and out of this weird illness-recovery process. And because of that, I think I lost one major plot point somewhere (are you ready?). In Memories of Ice, Lady Envy meets a T'lan Imass who tells her that on the continent of Assail there has been a dreadful conflict, and over 50,000 Imass have been slaughtered. Envy comes back with "It seems you've finally met a Jaghut Tyrant that is more than your match," to which the Imass replies: "Not Jaghut. Human."

OK, so here is my question -- was this ever explained or resolved? I know that my memory of books 6-10 if about 25% of my memory of the first five volumes. I can tell you all manner of things about the first five, and even roughly outline the plots, but because I a) read them faster, was ill and/or on kooky meds trying to recover, my memory of the last half of the saga is imperfect -- I don't know if Erikson got back to that or not, and if he did, I'd like to know.

So -- help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.

That is a small detail that is addressed in one of ICE's novels specifically Assail. Nobody should go into detail about that here as I have moved this thread to the MOI the new members was not an appropriate place for it.

[worry]

Nevyn, on 20 August 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

Yeah, that conversation set up ICE's book rather than a plotline in SE's series, so you didn't miss anything.

Spoiler

And a lot of fans don't really like what ICE did with that setup anyway.

Spoiler

It's real. And it's spectacular.

[Keysi]

Nevyn, on 20 August 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

Yeah, that conversation set up ICE's book rather than a plotline in SE's series, so you didn't miss anything.

Spoiler

And a lot of fans don't really like what ICE did with that setup anyway.

That's rather unfortunate. I was expecting that plot point to be a major theme of the book of the fallen plus I was looking forward to it massively.

[Gorefest]

Not to worry, plenty of things to look forward to in the main SE arc. Plus it's still there, just in the ICE arc instead of the SE arc. So two cool things to look forward to.

[Abyss]

Keysi, on 16 September 2015 - 09:23 AM, said:

Nevyn, on 20 August 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

Yeah, that conversation set up ICE's book rather than a plotline in SE's series, so you didn't miss anything.

Spoiler

And a lot of fans don't really like what ICE did with that setup anyway.

That's rather unfortunate. I was expecting that plot point to be a major theme of the book of the fallen plus I was looking forward to it massively.

In counterpoint to Nevyn....

Spoiler

A lot of fans thought what ICE did was brilliant and enjoyed the hell out of the book.
Not everyone's expectations were shattered because the author did what he wanted instead of what they wanted.

Wont take the discussion any further in the MoI forum, but i will say make up your own mind.

[Mentalist]

There's lots of neat teases about Assail (the continent) in the books to come, RAFO.

As for SE's main themes... well, just read House of Chains, and then look at the title of the 10th Book of the Fallen

[Keysi]

House of Chains should be arriving any day now.....