[LinearPhilosopher]

It's been a while since i've read malaz so i could be wrong, but wasn't it stated at a point that olar ethil was burn? That part never made any sense to me as isn't burn the earth goddess who's sleeping, not some annoying zombie hag.

[HoosierDaddy]

She stated that. She's a liar.

[Badman]

RAFO Forge of Darkness. There's some theories and facts from the book that make her statement seem less obviously deranged

[HoosierDaddy]

 Badman, on 18 August 2015 - 06:40 PM, said:

RAFO Forge of Darkness. There's some theories and facts from the book that make her statement seem less obviously deranged

Oh really?

Spoiler

When Sukul is taken into a chamber by Rancept he pretty much admits that the Toblakai Queen sleeping there is Burn.

[Aptorian]

 HoosierDaddy, on 18 August 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

 Badman, on 18 August 2015 - 06:40 PM, said:

RAFO Forge of Darkness. There's some theories and facts from the book that make her statement seem less obviously deranged

Oh really?

Spoiler

When Sukul is taken into a chamber by Rancept he pretty much admits that the Toblakai Queen sleeping there is Burn.

The problem here is that religion and worship muddies everything that we understand or believe of the gods and ascendants.

What if a tribe of dogrunners mistake say the aspect of Olar Ethil that is fire or animals or just life and attribute them to Burn? Or vice versa, in connecting Olar Ethil with fertility and the fire of life, associate her with earth and stone because they believe that life erupts from the ground?

Belief, offerings, sacrifices, begin to overlap. One becomes the other. Perhaps one preceeds the other, perhaps one eclipses the other but through the link they are one in the mind of the worshipper.

And so, in some cultures Olar Ethil IS Burn. Or a fragment of a prime elemental power.

This post has been edited by Apt: 18 August 2015 - 07:41 PM

[HoosierDaddy]

 Apt, on 18 August 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

 HoosierDaddy, on 18 August 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

 Badman, on 18 August 2015 - 06:40 PM, said:

RAFO Forge of Darkness. There's some theories and facts from the book that make her statement seem less obviously deranged

Oh really?

Spoiler

When Sukul is taken into a chamber by Rancept he pretty much admits that the Toblakai Queen sleeping there is Burn.

The problem here is that religion and worship muddies everything that we understand or believe of the gods and ascendants.

What if a tribe of dogrunners mistake say the aspect of Olar Ethil that is fire or animals or just life and attribute them to Burn? Or vice versa, in connecting Olar Ethil with fertility and the fire of life, associate her with earth and stone because they believe that life erupts from the ground?

Belief, offerings, sacrifices, begin to overlap. One becomes the other. Perhaps one preceeds the other, perhaps one eclipses the other but through the link they are one in the mind of the worshipper.

Check the forum. I don't think anything in there is essentially spoilery other than one term, but you never know.

As to your point: Agreed. It might change the aspect some, but as to someone of an elemental nature? Isn't that their.... nature? Can you change that?

[Aptorian]

Lets use an other example. Say Mael is the god of the sea and everything that is linked to the sea. Neruse is the daughter of Mael. She is hooked up to the same power source. Lets say she starts ranting, lets says she says she IS the sea, then by the definition isn't she also Mael?

If the sea/water/Wet Wet Wet is their aspect, is she not but a reflection of Mael?

If so, would it not be logical that if Burn is the ur-power. The source of all life. Then Olar Ethil another life goddess, this one aspects of fertility, fire, animals, etc. would see herself as Burn in some regards?

What I am really getting at is that there are the manifested personalities that walk and talk in the books, and then there are what they are reflections of, the aspects, the powers.

Perhaps there isn't much of a difference between Burn and Olar Ethil, other than what people call them and what purpose they serve that day.

[HoosierDaddy]

 Apt, on 18 August 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

Lets use an other example. Say Mael is the god of the sea and everything that is linked to the sea. Neruse is the daughter of Mael. She is hooked up to the same power source. Lets say she starts ranting, lets says she says she IS the sea, then by the definition isn't she also Mael?

If the sea/water/Wet Wet Wet is their aspect, is she not but a reflection of Mael?

If so, would it not be logical that if Burn is the ur-power. The source of all life. Then Olar Ethil another life goddess, this one aspects of fertility, fire, animals, etc. would see herself as Burn in some regards?

What I am really getting at is that there are the manifested personalities that walk and talk in the books, and then there are what they are reflections of, the aspects, the powers.

Perhaps there isn't much of a difference between Burn and Olar Ethil, other than what people call them and what purpose they serve that day.

Other than the fact that when she got smoked by an arrow the world didn't convulse into volcanic eruptions and end-times Armageddon the likes that Caladan Brood and Greymane would expect?

Yes, it's possible. But, you are taking the word of an absolutely crazy person as a possibility. I could be George Washington reborn, but I doubt it.

[Andorion]

Well it is stated that her adoption of the Ritual reduced her power. Maybe at FoD times she was some of the things she claimed to be. But later she was reduced and other powers took over those aspects. By TCG end she was mortal and her power reduced even further and hence all it took was an arrow to the eye.

BTW those arrows were given to Torrent by Kruppe in a dream. Probably not vanilla arrows IMO

[D'iver koala bear]

All the azanthanai are mortal to a point as long as their alive like mael and the errant just very hard to get close enough to them and she could be burn and it could be the ritual that makes her sleep/kills/zombiefies her and then someone else takes her aspect or she is a lying bitch who thinks she started and created absolutely everything including Soletaken ability birthing the imass the eres al and the jheck for that matter why the hell not she probly wrote the books too...... all praise Olar ethil !!