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Mafia 124 - Let Sleeping Dogs Lie 2-phase game

#141 User is offline   Hood's Path 

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 09:37 PM

View PostDemelain, on 30 July 2015 - 07:57 PM, said:

I'm here, read the updates but am off to work. Will try and get thoughts out in ~10 hours. Not liking that one of those associated with Telas got modkilled.

Be careful voting whilst I'm out please - 2 town votes down on town and scum can pile on.


I think that second kill was the extra thing PS said about the first person lynched getting to do something or other.

I will get on read up later. Busy "F"ing day.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 11:47 PM

To tired.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 02:24 AM

So a townie lynch, who took the vengeful townie option but unfortunately guessed wrong and took another townie with him.

The numbers do not look very promising.

Frankly Omtose' repeated 'jokes' about ending the game are crossing the strange boundary and entering the scummy zone. I agree with Eloth upthread. There is something fishy going on. If I had to look for three scum in the Telas train i would be looking at HP, Omtose and Demelain

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 06:27 AM

View PostOmtose, on 28 July 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

I like this Hanas speculation rather than random-telas speculation. AND, if he comes up innocent, we can consider this a deflection from lower posters. An info win-win!

Vote Hanas


He didn't bring up a case against me he just agreed with getting something going.

View PostOmtose, on 29 July 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

View PostEloth, on 28 July 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Checking in-

I'm not sure what the sudden rush to lynch Hanas is about. Now while I don't think refusing to lynch for days on end is a "fun" idea or what PS had in mind. I'm really not in a rush to jump on a lynch train day 1 when there will be no penalty for the town.

So Omtose and Denul, why the sudden rush to lynch?


Funny, the original "rush" was to lynch Telas, who had 2 votes faster than Hanas.

Then again today, jump on Telas right away.

This post by Eloth smells a bit like an attempted derail.

I'm back! Voting the same way, too!

Vote Hanas


Stays hung up on me on day 2.

View PostOmtose, on 30 July 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Telas


More than any other games, scum probably really wants to lynch off townies before the "game" begins. A popular target seems like a bad idea to me, but I agree with Denul, let's get this thing going at least - 2 days with no lynch is lame.



Yet votes Telas to get a lynch.

I don't think he has provided a target other than the ones mentioned by others. Not an original thought out there. This leads me to believe he's scum not wanting to cause waves. Cruising through the game with little attention.

vote omtose

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 06:52 AM

That "repeat joke" thing by Eloth is a stretch, I hadnt even noticed that other one. I do that sort of thing all the time, but whatevs.
Eloth accusing me doesnt feel scummy.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 06:57 AM

View PostHanas, on 31 July 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

View PostOmtose, on 28 July 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

I like this Hanas speculation rather than random-telas speculation. AND, if he comes up innocent, we can consider this a deflection from lower posters. An info win-win!

Vote Hanas


He didn't bring up a case against me he just agreed with getting something going.

View PostOmtose, on 29 July 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

View PostEloth, on 28 July 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Checking in-

I'm not sure what the sudden rush to lynch Hanas is about. Now while I don't think refusing to lynch for days on end is a "fun" idea or what PS had in mind. I'm really not in a rush to jump on a lynch train day 1 when there will be no penalty for the town.

So Omtose and Denul, why the sudden rush to lynch?


Funny, the original "rush" was to lynch Telas, who had 2 votes faster than Hanas.

Then again today, jump on Telas right away.

This post by Eloth smells a bit like an attempted derail.

I'm back! Voting the same way, too!

Vote Hanas


Stays hung up on me on day 2.

View PostOmtose, on 30 July 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Telas


More than any other games, scum probably really wants to lynch off townies before the "game" begins. A popular target seems like a bad idea to me, but I agree with Denul, let's get this thing going at least - 2 days with no lynch is lame.



Yet votes Telas to get a lynch.

I don't think he has provided a target other than the ones mentioned by others. Not an original thought out there. This leads me to believe he's scum not wanting to cause waves. Cruising through the game with little attention.

vote omtose

This, however, does. You use voting to secure a lynch as evidence of scum? Seriously? And we have had two days of votes on you, that have gained no traction which could mean that you are scum and other scum arent willing to vote you. You have been driving the game pretty effectively, and that cant help but bother me.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 07:12 AM

I'm scummy for pointing out your scumminess?

You have ventured no opinion on most of the people still playing. Say I was scum in your scenario, there are still 2 other players who are also scum yet you do not seem to be looking. Strong scum smell coming from you.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 08:51 AM

With no kills its day 1 again and again. I havent seen anything that smells of signalling, so that just leaves my hunch that scum are in a great position this game to dominate the thread.

I think you are viewing "making waves" the wrong way in this setup. Scum has very little to lose in this early going since their first lycnched member doesnt rrally hurt them. It has never been easier for scum to run the thread from Day 1.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 08:56 AM

Let me put it this way - I havent been too open about who else I think is scum, but I think I am right about you.

Yeah, I voted for Telas but there were 4 hours left. I dont know how you can connotate that with being scummy. Sure, either town or scum could vote at that point, but it's not a scummy thing per se.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 08:56 AM



vote hanas



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Posted 31 July 2015 - 09:15 AM

I can't manage long right now but I'll get some stuff down at least.

Firstly

View PostEloth, on 30 July 2015 - 01:13 PM, said:

What's pretty lame are all the people not bothering to vote. I'm fine with no lynch on a split vote, but this is ridiculous..I kind of thought I'd wake-up to a little more activity. Guess that first lynch venge hit has everyone running scared?

@Hanas on Aran- Hard to want to vote someone who is working their way to a modkill..

I really don't like the vote on Telas..it just doesn't feel right. It's essentially a vote based on one line and a long argument on what a cube is and is not on diablo. I also want to force these non-voting, non-playing bastards to anti-up and get into the game, not just come on and pile on to the end of a hammered train..I will be around for the next couple hours.

Wondering where that analysis Lios promised yesterday..Well Lios? Have a vote idea? Not following through by now is making you look pretty scummy to me right now..


First of all Eloth doesn't like what I thought was a clever scum post. As it turns out he was right. I prefer it to the Hanas case of yesterday however. Now as I am corrected that the death of Liosan was actually the Lynch Vig I think BL/Telas pulled off a rather good move there as Liosan sought to link Telas and Karosis and given Telas's CF we'd have been looking at Liosan today as symp/scum trying to set up a pair to try and drive through a lynch on signalling. Removing Liosan shows us it was simply someone putting a bit of effort in.


View PostHanas, on 30 July 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

There you go a lynch. Didn't expect to post same time as Karosis but these things happen.


Sticking with Karosis for the moment, if Karosis is scum I see this as Hanas signalling him.

View PostOmtose, on 30 July 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

Now it's a 3/8 chance, and if we hit scum on the next lynch, (and they kill that night), it's already D-Day. Joy!

That's better than the alternative, which is we lynch inno today and then we're truly screwed.

I suggest, if we don't lynch scum today, we stop voting and end the game in a draw. :(


On the plus side both deaths were RI. I we lynch town today that takes us to 4/3. Assuming next day we lynch scum 3/2 and D-day. Of course this is where some signalling may have been useful to scum (see I'm coming around on that point the more I think on it as if the surviving scum puts in a kill order for the member of scum they don't know about that drops them right to 4/1; not good odds. I now wouldn't me hugely surprised to see a withheld NK on the first scum lynch just while they make sure who the partner is, assuming signalling didn't happen/was missed)


View PostEloth, on 30 July 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

You right! It was an attempt to derail the crap vote on Telas. Perhaps you made that comment in an attempt to dissuade people from following my vote on Demelain.

Voting the same way too? oh you mean, like Demelain who led the charge on Telas (even though he thought the idea of scum signaling was stupid) and has RL internet problems that led to the "oops" double post.

So I'll lay it out here, I think Demelain and Omtose are scum. I also think all 3 scum were on the train that lynched Telas. I think Arantha's lack of mod-kill and/or post means he's probably a townie as PS is trying to keep the game going.

It's also a little interesting that Omtose copied the same joke HP did earlier in the game. Double-interesting it was after an Omtose post on how town can win by not playing.


It may be a crap vote but it was my vote and I was happy with it as I have already said. So Omtose is now symping me are you saying? in which case I know which of the two of us I'd vote for - although I would actually take a look at Omtoses posts before putting a vote down. As for my "oops" double post, as I said at the time accidental. Next time you have internet issues I'll watch for you to deal with them without whining like a bitch, get a shit load of content into 2 posts so much so that those 2 posts are called out as leading the whole fucking thread with those 2 posts. Because I think you can't/won't/daren't.

I also think you trying to PI Arantha based off not getting modkilled is extremely dubious, so much so I think it may be worth voting in your direction. So you're team scum and the alt you know is non-existent on thread. Lets paint them as town being kept alive to keep the game going rather than because they've got a scum role. Or because they've not passed the modkill timer (I genuinely don't know if they did as I'm not scum trying to reduce the number of probable town as fast as possible...)

The duplicated HP joke is an interesting one (2 nested quotes cut as nearing quote limit)

View PostHood, on 28 July 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

View PostOmtose, on 28 July 2015 - 08:33 AM, said:

It's called a six-pack, biznitches.

So we don't vote night and let it time out. Same thing.

I believe rule K-11 states that stalemate games are awarded to town!

PS, go ahead and post spoilers over now.


Damn you I just said that!














at roughly the same time as you.


View PostOmtose, on 30 July 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

Special Event!























Not so special.


I can see the sense in the signal however in order to complete the logical series the 3rd scum has to have signalled/been signalled by the others, else how can Omtose be sure enough to return the signal. Someone take the time to go through Omtose for signalling to others and to/from them to HP, pretty please.

View PostAranatha, on 30 July 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

ok, sorry, I'm dealing with things here

obviously, I have no clue at this time, summaries welcomed


This is just plain lazy, thread is even now 4 pages long. Okay RL sickness issues but even so.

View PostKarosis, on 31 July 2015 - 02:24 AM, said:

So a townie lynch, who took the vengeful townie option but unfortunately guessed wrong and took another townie with him.

The numbers do not look very promising.

Frankly Omtose' repeated 'jokes' about ending the game are crossing the strange boundary and entering the scummy zone. I agree with Eloth upthread. There is something fishy going on. If I had to look for three scum in the Telas train i would be looking at HP, Omtose and Demelain


Something niggling me here.

A quick look at the lynch train:

6 votes Telas: Hood's Path, Demelain, Denul, Omtose, Karosis, Hanas

Now in a 2-phase game like this scum are going to be more likely to be driving for town lynches and hoping to draw others along than sweeping up at the end I would have thought, meaning HP, me and to a lesser extent Denul are prime targets. My defence is that I at least thought I'd spotted something and drove on that. (I did start a little bit here about how my votes was actually first down and PS being inaccurate but then I realised I was looking at day 1...)


i would be looking at HP, Omtose and Demelain
6 votes Telas: Hood's Path, Demelain, Denul, Omtose, Karosis, Hanas

Denul.

Intentional omission?

I'm torn. I want to vote Eloth/Arantha however HP and Omtose are rising in need of attention and Karosis/Denul could be paired with that omission. What do the rest of you think? And yes I know I'm pairing everyone up when it's 3somes but I'm assuming Hanas fits into a hole somewhere or a paring is wrong.

No-one looked at morongate as I asked, I'll try and do this later but probably from my phone.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 09:34 AM

I honestly think Omtose will CF as scum.

Please look into the moronic thing because I have a hunch.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 12:42 PM

It is day 3. 25 hours 32 minutes remaining.

8 players alive: Aranatha, Demelain, Denul, Eloth, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karosis, Omtose

5 votes to lynch.

1 vote Omtose: Hanas
1 vote Hanas: Omtose


Players not voted: Aranatha, Demelain, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Karosis
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 31 July 2015 - 02:17 PM

Weekend freeze will begin at lynch or day end. Thread will be kept unlocked so you can continue to post, but votes will not be counted.
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Posted 31 July 2015 - 02:24 PM

View PostAranatha, on 30 July 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

ok, sorry, I'm dealing with things here

obviously, I have no clue at this time, summaries welcomed


Checking in-


Just to clarify, at this point Aranatha is not considering "cleared" in any way following this post here. My guess is he was close to the timer and came in with a anti-mod-kill post. I thought it was funny that he did so immediately following my statement, but I really don't know what to make of it.

I do have to let Demelain off the hook for the RL issues as well because half the thread is having issues as well. So I will not site RL issues as reason for a lynch. Although, if your scum and that's the tactic your using to win, just looks like piss poor playing to me, but I'm sure you'll feel real proud when you win..fooled all of us!

I will go through the thread for use of the word moronic, since the request has been made several times and address any commits up-thread.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 03:12 PM

View PostHanas, on 28 July 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

View PostOmtose, on 28 July 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

I like this Hanas speculation rather than random-telas speculation. AND, if he comes up innocent, we can consider this a deflection from lower posters. An info win-win!Vote Hanas
Denul st least mentions signalling which is a reason even if it is a moronic reason. But you Omtose, You assume I'm going to come up innocent but will use the information to try and tag a low poster.Although I want people to analyse my train if I'm lynched, I'd still prefer us to lynch a likely scum member first. I say Liosan didn't like being called a low poster anscc upped his count a little but I also wonder why he didn't like Telas reaching 2 early votes. We had 15 hours to go and focus seems to have shifted to me and away from the original line of thought from Demelain.



View PostDemelain, on 28 July 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 28 July 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

Noticing and voting for signaling when there are three scum whom only known one other one is the only way to find scum. A signaling case is the strongest possible case.
Sorry but I'd have to disagree on something here - you assume scum are signalling. That's moronic. They can play this either to signal each other, once we find one we can hunt through the others based on that. Or they can not signal, lynch anyone who *isn't* the one they know whilst observing if the one they know votes that way or not, once one does go down they get lover comms anyway so find out who they didn't know anyway. Sorry to say this on thread but I thought it quite obvious, you seem to have missed it though. You also seem quite happy to jump and follow others lead, if you're scum then one of Liosan and Omtose most likely are too.



View PostHanas, on 28 July 2015 - 06:08 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 28 July 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

View PostEloth, on 28 July 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 28 July 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

And Karosis's calling out of the Nephilim (who are typically referred to as offspring of fallen angels and human women) which if I understand this game correctly would be the scum.

View PostKarosis, on 28 July 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

So the Nephilim have risen again?
If we are going to consider Karosis then you need to add Telas, as he had the diablo dice reference that could of been them signaling to each other. Otherwise, it doesn't come off that suspicious to me.

View PostTelas, on 27 July 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 27 July 2015 - 10:02 AM, said:

You find yourselves in a totally original tale of heaven versus hell. Simple-minded humans share the mortal plane with angels and demons, who try to influence them as best they can. The Code states that no direct interference is permitted. Both sides, however, are prone to interpreting the Code more as a set of guidelines than hard and fast rules, and should something happen to awaken their wrath, then it is always humans who will pay first.
You have quite a treasure there in that horadric cube
That is a very good point. So I have down that if Hanas is scum then Hoods path and Arantha are both potential. If Karosis is scum then Telas is most likely. Whom is the third wheel in that house. Liosan or Omtose?
What because scum are just dumb enough to paint a fucking trail from each member?Moronic.



View PostHanas, on 28 July 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 28 July 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

View PostHanas, on 28 July 2015 - 06:08 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 28 July 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

View PostEloth, on 28 July 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 28 July 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

And Karosis's calling out of the Nephilim (who are typically referred to as offspring of fallen angels and human women) which if I understand this game correctly would be the scum.

View PostKarosis, on 28 July 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

So the Nephilim have risen again?
If we are going to consider Karosis then you need to add Telas, as he had the diablo dice reference that could of been them signaling to each other. Otherwise, it doesn't come off that suspicious to me.

View PostTelas, on 27 July 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 27 July 2015 - 10:02 AM, said:

You find yourselves in a totally original tale of heaven versus hell. Simple-minded humans share the mortal plane with angels and demons, who try to influence them as best they can. The Code states that no direct interference is permitted. Both sides, however, are prone to interpreting the Code more as a set of guidelines than hard and fast rules, and should something happen to awaken their wrath, then it is always humans who will pay first.
You have quite a treasure there in that horadric cube
That is a very good point. So I have down that if Hanas is scum then Hoods path and Arantha are both potential. If Karosis is scum then Telas is most likely. Whom is the third wheel in that house. Liosan or Omtose?
What because scum are just dumb enough to paint a fucking trail from each member?Moronic.
Please enlighten us oh glorious one? How would you in all of your mafia experience that spans hundreds of games and differing scenarios over the course of years find scum in a situation like this? Would it be to lynch a low poster? Wow that is a great strategy! Would it be to lynch a high poster? Anther sure fire winner! Would it be to lynch someone . I see a lot of your an idiot and what not but nothing from you as to whom could be scum and why. What makes you think that scum are any smarter then you are? How many brilliant mafia players are there? I will tell you there are none!
You want to look for signalling go ahead. I think that's moronic.My idea with voting Liosan is because he wanted to shift focus away from Telas when there was zero activity.There's no motive for town to derail any lynch but to only lynch who they think is scum.If Telas is scum and Liosan is the one who knows him then it makes sense for Liosan to provide a new target. If the scum that Liosan knows was a low poster at the time then it also serves his purpose to shift focus.Your investigation on me amounts to a weak signalling case at best.Saying something about my brother using tinder is RL. I'm not going to use RL to throw a signal out there. Not if I'm scum. Not caring whether or not it may be construed as signalling should be a point in my favour of being town because I'm not watching what I say.I'm not being careful in that regard. Me pointing this out to you and you ignoring it is why I said you were moronic. Now I know you're not moronic so there must be some point to your motive. Either you're town and are truly looking for signalling which I don't understand. Or your scum like you were the other game, only that game you would cf as town symp boy.But mafia isn't black or white is it. It's lots of grey.


As far as I could find in the re-read it was just the two that used the word. Hanas may of used the word again later in the day but I stopped here. I would also like to point out the oddity I picked-up on the re-read of both Hanas using the term Quotegate and then Demelain using the term Morongate.

Seriously, some one else needs to look for the other signaling patterns, this is going to make me crazy if I continue..

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 03:22 PM

Just to note - the timer in my last post was hopelessly inaccurate.

It is day 3. 10 hours 52 minutes remaining.

8 players alive: Aranatha, Demelain, Denul, Eloth, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karosis, Omtose

5 votes to lynch.

1 vote Omtose: Hanas
1 vote Hanas: Omtose


Players not voted: Aranatha, Demelain, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Karosis
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Posted 31 July 2015 - 05:48 PM

Having read up, (sorry I'm late) I think trying out the Hanas/Demelain connection is a good idea.

I'm not seeing anything other than the "moronic" thing.

Vote Hanas

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 06:25 PM

It is day 3. 7 hours 49 minutes remaining.

8 players alive: Aranatha, Demelain, Denul, Eloth, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karosis, Omtose

5 votes to lynch.

1 vote Omtose: Hanas
2 votes Hanas: Omtose, Hood's Path


Players not voted: Aranatha, Demelain, Denul, Eloth, Karosis
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Posted 31 July 2015 - 06:47 PM

View PostHood, on 31 July 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

Having read up, (sorry I'm late) I think trying out the Hanas/Demelain connection is a good idea.

I'm not seeing anything other than the "moronic" thing.

Vote Hanas


Hp- do you have any thoughts on the connection presented by Demelain between Karosis or Denul?

Not sure about everyone else, but you coming in a voting after a connection between you and Omtose gave me pause..perhaps fake symping?

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