[Gnaw]

many thanks oh historian of empire.

I had no idea that M. K. Wren's Phoenix Legacy had finally been re-printed. And Kindleized.

I'll let you know in a few hours if it's as stunningly good as I remember.

Edit: Oh yeah. Post Apocalyptic with a very organized back story of the re-building of civilization. Originating in Australia if I recall.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 21 February 2015 - 03:11 AM

[Esa1996]

Cajun King, on 20 February 2015 - 03:11 AM, said:

Andorion, on 20 February 2015 - 02:43 AM, said:

Sanderson's Elantris? Aso, even though I am only halfway through Mistborn, I think that qualifies.

Elantris: city state wide for sure not to sure how effected the rest of Sel. Mistborn is more in tune with it yeah.

On that note Wheel of Time.

While I REALLY like WOT, I wouldn't call it post apocalyptic. Yes, there was a certain apocalypse, but it's far too advanced to be really an apocalypse, in my opinion. The setting's more like your basic epic medieval fantasy. Now, a backdoor in case I'm being an idiot here : I haven't read a single of the books OP listed, so I don't really know what they're like nor what's the general perception on what's a post apocalyptic story is like. However, what I think of when thinking about such stuff is things like Walking Dead, or something similar.

If the OP doesn't have any qualms about reading a brilliant series that's not post apocalyptic to my definition, I'd definitely recommend WOT. Don't know what you're searching for exactly, but I don' completely disagree with Cajun King. WOT does have an apocalypse. It just was so long ago (3000 years) that the world has gotten back to a quite normal state.

[HiddenOne]

the Conan books are set after the fall of the Atlantean empire

Dark Tower series, maybe too much material for a club

MBotF, naturally.

Admittedly these are fantasy apocalypses, and perhaps you are looking for more of a real & modern civilization to survive, and I can't remember any for some reason.

EDIT: The Stand, how could I forget

Ex-Heroes by Peter Clines

This post has been edited by HiddenOne: 21 February 2015 - 07:09 PM

[Imperial Historian]

Thanks for all the recommendations, there are a few that I've read that I completely forgot about Mistborn and Jon Shannow especially, and there are definitely a few interesting looking books I will be adding.

[Grief]

Esa1996, on 21 February 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:

Cajun King, on 20 February 2015 - 03:11 AM, said:

Andorion, on 20 February 2015 - 02:43 AM, said:

Sanderson's Elantris? Aso, even though I am only halfway through Mistborn, I think that qualifies.

Elantris: city state wide for sure not to sure how effected the rest of Sel. Mistborn is more in tune with it yeah.

On that note Wheel of Time.

While I REALLY like WOT, I wouldn't call it post apocalyptic. Yes, there was a certain apocalypse, but it's far too advanced to be really an apocalypse, in my opinion. The setting's more like your basic epic medieval fantasy. Now, a backdoor in case I'm being an idiot here : I haven't read a single of the books OP listed, so I don't really know what they're like nor what's the general perception on what's a post apocalyptic story is like. However, what I think of when thinking about such stuff is things like Walking Dead, or something similar.

If the OP doesn't have any qualms about reading a brilliant series that's not post apocalyptic to my definition, I'd definitely recommend WOT. Don't know what you're searching for exactly, but I don' completely disagree with Cajun King. WOT does have an apocalypse. It just was so long ago (3000 years) that the world has gotten back to a quite normal state.

Yeah, I'd agree with this in regards to WoT. It's similar to the problem with recommending the Shannara series in general -- while the worlds may technically be post-apocalyptic, most of the books just read like pretty straight fantasy, and the post-apocalyptic side of things isn't really a relevant point. The more post-apocalyptic Shannara books are the "Heritage of Shannara" books iirc, as well as at least some of the ones after that (Antrax is pretty heavy on that side of things I think), though I've not read a lot of the later ones, and it's been years since I read any of them...

[Andorion]

Cajun King, on 22 February 2015 - 05:05 AM, said:

Apocalyptic fiction is a subgenre of science fiction and horror fiction that is concerned with the end of human civilization. This apocalypse is typically portrayed as being due to a potentially existential catastrophe such as zombie apocalypse, nuclear warfare, pandemic, extraterrestrial attack, impact event, cybernetic revolt, technological singularity, dysgenics, supernatural phenomena, divine judgment, runaway climate change, resource depletion, ecological collapse, or some other general disasters. Post-apocalyptic fiction is set in a world or civilization after such a disaster that ruins the world. The time frame may be immediately after the catastrophe, focusing on the travails or psychology of survivors, or considerably later, often including the theme that the existence of pre-catastrophe civilization has been forgotten (or mythologized). Post-apocalyptic stories often take place in a non-technological future world, or a world where only scattered elements of technology remain.


I think WoT fits with that definition easily. The Breaking is referenced enough in every book though not as much as skirts or...........braids

And some braids cause apocalypse all on their own

[Abyss]

You shut up. That nuclear braid tug was Nyneave's POWER MOVE.

[worry]

Some of the powers that be don't want me to reveal this, but: Pokemon.

[D'rek]

Grief, on 21 February 2015 - 11:08 PM, said:

Esa1996, on 21 February 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:

Cajun King, on 20 February 2015 - 03:11 AM, said:

Andorion, on 20 February 2015 - 02:43 AM, said:

Sanderson's Elantris? Aso, even though I am only halfway through Mistborn, I think that qualifies.

Elantris: city state wide for sure not to sure how effected the rest of Sel. Mistborn is more in tune with it yeah.

On that note Wheel of Time.

While I REALLY like WOT, I wouldn't call it post apocalyptic. Yes, there was a certain apocalypse, but it's far too advanced to be really an apocalypse, in my opinion. The setting's more like your basic epic medieval fantasy. Now, a backdoor in case I'm being an idiot here : I haven't read a single of the books OP listed, so I don't really know what they're like nor what's the general perception on what's a post apocalyptic story is like. However, what I think of when thinking about such stuff is things like Walking Dead, or something similar.

If the OP doesn't have any qualms about reading a brilliant series that's not post apocalyptic to my definition, I'd definitely recommend WOT. Don't know what you're searching for exactly, but I don' completely disagree with Cajun King. WOT does have an apocalypse. It just was so long ago (3000 years) that the world has gotten back to a quite normal state.

Yeah, I'd agree with this in regards to WoT. It's similar to the problem with recommending the Shannara series in general -- while the worlds may technically be post-apocalyptic, most of the books just read like pretty straight fantasy, and the post-apocalyptic side of things isn't really a relevant point. The more post-apocalyptic Shannara books are the "Heritage of Shannara" books iirc, as well as at least some of the ones after that (Antrax is pretty heavy on that side of things I think), though I've not read a lot of the later ones, and it's been years since I read any of them...

Voyage of the Jerle Shannara has, IIRC, lasers, CD-ROMs and cyborg elves, but most of it is in the 3rd book and yeah, it is mainly standardish fantasy setting until you get there.

[Esa1996]

Cajun King, on 22 February 2015 - 05:05 AM, said:

Apocalyptic fiction is a subgenre of science fiction and horror fiction that is concerned with the end of human civilization. This apocalypse is typically portrayed as being due to a potentially existential catastrophe such as zombie apocalypse, nuclear warfare, pandemic, extraterrestrial attack, impact event, cybernetic revolt, technological singularity, dysgenics, supernatural phenomena, divine judgment, runaway climate change, resource depletion, ecological collapse, or some other general disasters. Post-apocalyptic fiction is set in a world or civilization after such a disaster that ruins the world. The time frame may be immediately after the catastrophe, focusing on the travails or psychology of survivors, or considerably later, often including the theme that the existence of pre-catastrophe civilization has been forgotten (or mythologized). Post-apocalyptic stories often take place in a non-technological future world, or a world where only scattered elements of technology remain.


I think WoT fits with that definition easily. The Breaking is referenced enough in every book though not as much as skirts or...........braids

Okay, WOT definitely fits the mythologized pre-apocalypse world thing. I've never really read anything about genres and their details. Mostly read extremely long epic fantasy series (ASOIAF, WOT, MBotF and all the related books...) so it's not really required.

[Grief]

D, on 22 February 2015 - 07:55 AM, said:

Grief, on 21 February 2015 - 11:08 PM, said:

Esa1996, on 21 February 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:

Cajun King, on 20 February 2015 - 03:11 AM, said:

Andorion, on 20 February 2015 - 02:43 AM, said:

Sanderson's Elantris? Aso, even though I am only halfway through Mistborn, I think that qualifies.

Elantris: city state wide for sure not to sure how effected the rest of Sel. Mistborn is more in tune with it yeah.

On that note Wheel of Time.

While I REALLY like WOT, I wouldn't call it post apocalyptic. Yes, there was a certain apocalypse, but it's far too advanced to be really an apocalypse, in my opinion. The setting's more like your basic epic medieval fantasy. Now, a backdoor in case I'm being an idiot here : I haven't read a single of the books OP listed, so I don't really know what they're like nor what's the general perception on what's a post apocalyptic story is like. However, what I think of when thinking about such stuff is things like Walking Dead, or something similar.

If the OP doesn't have any qualms about reading a brilliant series that's not post apocalyptic to my definition, I'd definitely recommend WOT. Don't know what you're searching for exactly, but I don' completely disagree with Cajun King. WOT does have an apocalypse. It just was so long ago (3000 years) that the world has gotten back to a quite normal state.

Yeah, I'd agree with this in regards to WoT. It's similar to the problem with recommending the Shannara series in general -- while the worlds may technically be post-apocalyptic, most of the books just read like pretty straight fantasy, and the post-apocalyptic side of things isn't really a relevant point. The more post-apocalyptic Shannara books are the "Heritage of Shannara" books iirc, as well as at least some of the ones after that (Antrax is pretty heavy on that side of things I think), though I've not read a lot of the later ones, and it's been years since I read any of them...

Voyage of the Jerle Shannara has, IIRC, lasers, CD-ROMs and cyborg elves, but most of it is in the 3rd book and yeah, it is mainly standardish fantasy setting until you get there.

Yeah, that's the trilogy Antrax is part of, the 2nd half of Antrax is where the trilogy kicks off with the technology side of things, but as you mention, it's a pretty typical fantasy questing plotline that leads up to that point.

Heritage I think jumps in slightly earlier with post-apocalyptic elements (though they aren't as major/blatant), but I can't really remember.

Cajun King, on 22 February 2015 - 05:05 AM, said:

Apocalyptic fiction is a subgenre of science fiction and horror fiction that is concerned with the end of human civilization. This apocalypse is typically portrayed as being due to a potentially existential catastrophe such as zombie apocalypse, nuclear warfare, pandemic, extraterrestrial attack, impact event, cybernetic revolt, technological singularity, dysgenics, supernatural phenomena, divine judgment, runaway climate change, resource depletion, ecological collapse, or some other general disasters. Post-apocalyptic fiction is set in a world or civilization after such a disaster that ruins the world. The time frame may be immediately after the catastrophe, focusing on the travails or psychology of survivors, or considerably later, often including the theme that the existence of pre-catastrophe civilization has been forgotten (or mythologized). Post-apocalyptic stories often take place in a non-technological future world, or a world where only scattered elements of technology remain.


I think WoT fits with that definition easily. The Breaking is referenced enough in every book though not as much as skirts or...........braids

Sure, it's relevant backstory, but I don't think it makes the novels particularly post apocalyptic any more than say, Tolkien's work. It's got slight post-apocalyptic elements, but I think it's a stretch to describe it as a post apolcapytic novel, because if you call it a post-apocalyptic novel it sets certain expectations imo. One of those expectations is that when I pick the book up I won't find a largely standard fantasy novel where the particular flavour of the backstory happens to involve a catastrophic event and/or an also rather typical cyclical re-building and cataclysm type deal. If I ask someone to recommend me a post-apocalyptic novel, I think I'd feel a bit misled if they recommended me something where the post-apocalyptic elements were so far from the spotlight as WoT. It'd be like me recommending Frankenstein as a Fantasy novel.

It is tricky to think up many fantasy novels that really do engage with post-apocalyptic tropes to much of an extent though. Possibly because Sci-Fi more naturally fills that role, given the tendency towards technological apocalypses (nuclear explosions etc). I also wonder if it's partly because post-apocalyptic novels often emphasize protagonists with very few resources to work with, and thus the presence of magic (which is often an innate or inherent resource) doesn't always integrate with the novel very well.

[acesn8s]

Abyss, on 20 February 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

acesn8s, on 20 February 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:

Abyss, on 20 February 2015 - 05:41 AM, said:

S M Stirling's DIES THE FIRE series is pure sf all electronics stop working apocalypse series. I haven't read it yet but Stirling tends to deliver quality.

There's also the Nantucket series where the Island of Nantucket is transported back to the bronze age. While it is not post apocalyptic, it has that modern civilization surviving in a hostile environment, with limited resources.

Yep... i think the two are tangentially linked... the same event starts off both series.

I've only read a few books in the Nantucket series, but my understanding is you are correct. Nantucket has the ability to run generators, etc in the bronze age, where in the other series, the rest of the world goes through some sort of permanent global EMP.

[polishgenius]

Just a couple more to add to the list:

The book I've read and been praising this week, Mechanique: A Tale of the Circus Tresaulti by Genevieve Valentine, is post-apocalyptic and definitely fantasy.

and

All the Windwracked Stars, by Elizabeth Bear, a cyberpunk-Norse-flavoured apocalypse. This is part of a trilogy, The Edda of Burdens, but the first books stands alone if you want it to. It's also probably my favourite book that I read last year.

[Andorion]

Please note I have not read these books but Philip Reeve's Predator Cities quartet is postapocalyptic steampunk about a post-nuclear war world where cities are mobile and devour each other.

[RACHEL]

The Secret Texts trilogy by Holly Lisle. The first book is Diplomacy of Wolves. 1,000 years ago the wizards created an apocalypse so now magic is used in secrecy. But the past is being rediscovered and the evil wizards want to return. There is also a prequel that explains the apocalypse.

Dreamsnake by Vonda Mcintyre. In a future world technology exists beneath the domes and people outside the domes have found interesting ways to survive and to treat sick and dying people. The Exile Waiting by the same author is about life under the domes.

The Pern novels are about people colonizing a planet. They have to move from the continent they landed on to a different one because of danger and because of this they lose much of their technology and knowledge which they rediscover in later books. They also include teleporting dragons.

[Abyss]

RACHEL, on 10 March 2015 - 05:15 PM, said:

...Dreamsnake by Vonda Mcintyre. In a future world technology exists beneath the domes and people outside the domes have found interesting ways to survive and to treat sick and dying people. ...

Good one!

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The Pern novels are about people colonizing a planet. They have to move from the continent they landed on to a different one because of danger and because of this they lose much of their technology and knowledge which they rediscover in later books. They also include teleporting dragons.

Can we call Pern post Apocalytic...? i suppose so, it's not like the apocalypse in question has to happen on Earth...

By the same token Celia Friedman's COLDFIRE trilo could fit... it's also a series where the colony gets blitzed by the planet they land on. Plus demons and Jesus Christ Vampire Sorceror. Sort of.

[Blend]

These fall more into Sci-Fi than Fantasy, I'd say, but The Long Earth and The Long War by Stephen Baxter and Terry Pratchett were both excellent reads. I suppose it's not completely post-apocalyptic, but there are certainly some similar themes running through them.

[Andorion]

I read the blurb for the 1st book of Peter V Bretts Demon Cycle and it struck me as quite Post Apocalyptic

[D'iversify]

Anyone read Earth Abides by George R. Stewart? I haven't but get the impression it has been influential on this sub-genre. http://en.wikipedia....ki/Earth_Abides