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#1 User is offline   Elwood 

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 08:10 AM

Hi everyone :(

A few books back Icarium and Mappo come across a skykeep buried in the side of a cliff. Inside they find the body of a dragon who is aspected to the sky.
  • Is this foreshadowing for the Nahruk and their skykeeps?
  • Did they kill the dragon to use his blood to power the keeps? Any explanation for this?
  • Also who usurped the sky warren or can it just remain idle.
  • I always assumed that is the dragon aspected to a particular warren died then that warren would cease to exist or something terrible happen within in. Can anyone elaborate on the relationship between the aspected dragons and their warrens (I don't think my question is very specific but I am happy with any answers!).
  • I also presume that the skykeeps Quick Ben ect are on that are travelling through the (Imperial?) warren are the Nahruk



Who was the dragon that the Tiste Liosan drank the blood from?




What was Gruntle trying to do? Was his entire purpose to try and stop the warren opening from starvald demelain. Is it explained who Trake was working with?




Plenty more questions, but I think I will save those until after the other series' as I'm sure everyone here is sick of answering the same questions (and replying RAFO).

One thing I do wonder though (it's been a long time between books) - is the foreshadowing amazing when re-reading the series? Is it possible to see the real motivations behind decisions now that you know where Tavore/ Hood/ Rake end up and how they had been working toward the end goal right from book 1?




Thanks for reading and cheers for any replies! :p
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Posted 13 January 2015 - 01:12 PM

View PostElwood, on 13 January 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

Hi everyone :(

A few books back Icarium and Mappo come across a skykeep buried in the side of a cliff. Inside they find the body of a dragon who is aspected to the sky.
  • Is this foreshadowing for the Nahruk and their skykeeps?


Yes, they also find a Nah'ruk body in that same Skykeep.


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  • Did they kill the dragon to use his blood to power the keeps? Any explanation for this?


Icarium in tBH reasoned that the Dragon (Sorrit) must have been killed in the Shadow Realm by the Tiste Edur. Perhaps they were trying to become Soletaken. However, there are also clear hints of a link between Shadow and the Nah'Ruk (Kashan), so maybe it was the Nah'Ruk who killed Sorrit after all. They indeed appear to be using the dragon blood to power their Keeps, but don't forget as well that their creators and enemies, the Che'Malle, worshipped dragons as gods. So the Nah'Ruk are hunting and killing their enemies' gods.


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* Also who usurped the sky warren or can it just remain idle.



Not sure whether it was usurped at all. Osserc is still around, who is the Lord of the Sky. But he is also a user of Kurald Thyrllan. So maybe Serc is somehow related to that Elder Hold as well. We don't really see Serc around much, I don't think. did the Stormriders use it? So I don't really know the answer to that one.


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  • I always assumed that is the dragon aspected to a particular warren died then that warren would cease to exist or something terrible happen within in. Can anyone elaborate on the relationship between the aspected dragons and their warrens (I don't think my question is very specific but I am happy with any answers!).


Don't think it is ever made very clear how the magic behind it actually works. We are led to believe that magic originally was a 'wild' force, maybe the blood of life itself, which was used or abused in different ways by different races. Dragons had it/used it/were it (?), the K'Chain Che'Malle matrons were the vessel for the combined power of their hive, and
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Such are the various Holds and Elder warrens. The 'new' Warrens were an attempt by K'rul to channel and control the rampant magic, whereby he made a deal with the Eleint who each became aspected to a certain 'magic flavour'. Killing such a dragon might destroy the Warren, but it will not destroy the elder magic that was linked to it, only unchain it.


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  • I also presume that the skykeeps Quick Ben ect are on that are travelling through the (Imperial?) warren are the Nahruk

All the sky keeps are of Nah'Ruk making, I believe. So yes.

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Who was the dragon that the Tiste Liosan drank the blood from?


Kessobahn.

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What was Gruntle trying to do? Was his entire purpose to try and stop the warren opening from starvald demelain. Is it explained who Trake was working with?


Pure speculation on my part, but Trake would probably be in the Wolf camp, as he too was a God of War and he was killed fighting K'Chain Che'Malle, so he probably doesn't like them. Gruntle has been fighting his Ascendency and fate since the very beginning, so I suspect it was just a neat death scene from SE's perspective to end Gruntle's storyline by ultimately defying 'his' God and being all-round heroic to the very end, with another tragic potential love story smothered in ashes.

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Plenty more questions, but I think I will save those until after the other series' as I'm sure everyone here is sick of answering the same questions (and replying RAFO).


Some might already have been answered in other threads, worth a search.

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One thing I do wonder though (it's been a long time between books) - is the foreshadowing amazing when re-reading the series? Is it possible to see the real motivations behind decisions now that you know where Tavore/ Hood/ Rake end up and how they had been working toward the end goal right from book 1?


Some of it. Already in GotM there are references to the Crippled God. And the seeds are sown, e.g. Rake meets up with Shadowthrone face to face for the first time, various races that become really important later are introduced or at least hinted at, etc. It's subtle, but there are tendrils.

This post has been edited by Gorefest: 14 January 2015 - 10:18 AM

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 11:50 PM

Lots of good answers. That said, don't talk about FoD in the TCG subforum.

Re: Serc/Sorrit: It's definitely a big unknown what happens when all the dragons of a warren are killed. That said, there's more than one dragon per warren (at least in some cases) so Serc wasn't wholly eliminated.
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Posted 14 January 2015 - 10:18 AM

Oops, good call. Spoiler tagged it.
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