[Tholen]

But don't let me distract your thorough read up.

[Togg]

To save on bllod pressure I'll include multiple posts together, less I seem to be artificially inflating my post count (oh the irony)

Rikkter, on 11 December 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Venesara, on 11 December 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

Rikkter and Tennes are still niggling the back of my mind tho. Rikkter's reaction to being voted for bespeaks someone really eager to stay alive (either someone really into the game or someone with a really good role). I am also inclined to pay attention to D'rek's views, which puts Tennes on the radar, but at the same time, D'rek was a bad guy/gal/um../both? and thus targets for her are not targets myself or the majority of us. So I think Rikkter would be my other choice today.

Yes. I am eager to play the game. And you are not? It always seems like everyone is so eager before the game and then when it starts it gets quiet. Just trying to be enthusiastic. Also, this is a game where many players have abilities so someone with a "good" role does not necessarily mean that they are scum. Also, I would like you to answer when I ask you something, even if it might be stupid. I don't know why Tulas answered for you.

And folks, do you think we didn't have a lynch because the scum totally missed and were not present? Would make sense as we have a lot of low posters. I know people say low posters are just low posters cause the sign up thread, but I always seem to see that as an excuse before the game starts and something to hide behind after it does.

So we didn't lynch because scum weren't present? Going on timezones, who do you think that is then? Why do you think scum not being present prevented the lynch? Are you saying the lynchee was scum because other scum didn't vote for them? I think some vote train analysis is needed, well done for volunteering.

Silanah, on 12 December 2014 - 01:34 AM, said:

Korlat, on 12 December 2014 - 01:31 AM, said:

Does it seem like everything is moving in slow motion?

Drugs. Not even once.

Alcohol. Every time.

Rikkter, on 12 December 2014 - 05:04 PM, said:

Tennes, on 12 December 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

God that is complicated. May have to watch/read this series just to get a firmer grip on wtf is going on!Sorry for my reading fail in forgetting it was in the setup

The constant reiteration that you didn't see the series and that you are confused is a bit suspicious to me.

Hah. I have no idea about the theme for this game. I have reading suggested by Blend but have yet to find the time to do a scan of it. So add me to the WTF is going on brigade

Korbas, on 14 December 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

Korlat, on 13 December 2014 - 01:42 AM, said:

now that the convergence is under way things will probably get more interesting

I have a thought on that. The general tile rules are spirit world oriented. And the OP suggests that there is an element of teamwork involved in the game.

If there's a convergence, logically doesn't that mean we need to be there to have an effect upon it?

That would be why there is access to anyone who can travel a black line into the spirit side now. Korbas, are you trying to claim not being able to travel?

Korbas, on 15 December 2014 - 03:41 PM, said:

And last game had LPs, recruits, and an FM. I see nothing to suggest this one has an FM but an Unulaq LP would be a safe assumption I think.

And you propose testing this... how?

Korlat, on 15 December 2014 - 05:50 PM, said:

Well flanking attacks are always dangerous, so I take your point there, Rikkter. What interests me though is the tendency to draw town/scum binaries really fast, especailly in a very interesting scenario like this. I am also very intrigued by Korbas who raises a very important point about teamwork, and that too in the spirit realm. Please take note:

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Unulaq is the bad guy. But how do we stop him? As I mentioned above, it seems logical to me that it's going to require teamwork (a grouping of abilites?) and that the teamwork most likely needs to be in the spirit world. Locations and abilities usually mean that targets must be in the same location or adjacent. Therefore there might have been some "out of range" NA replies. If so, that would be helpful to know. We all have abilities so no one would be outing themselves if they confirm such a message.

So he wants us to do the following:

1. Tell him our abilities
2. Enter the Spirit Realm, which has some serious pitfalls
3. Cluster together in a 'team'

This reminds me of an episode of that old Sharpe show starring Sean Bean, where Sharpe has to defend a ridge aginst numerically superior French forces. He does this by showing off his 'cavalry' (actually 10 or so horsemen) positioned deceptively. The sight of cavalry immediately makes the French change from a loose formation to a tight square. This makes them vulnerable to Sharpe's artillery which excels at taking out troop concentrations and so he wins.

So my point is that while Korbas does seem to be making a constructive suggestion, it is a double-edged sword.

Or I could be totally wrong, of course......

Serious pitfalls? You have something in your PM about the spirit realm being dangerous to know and you think everyone else has the same? Interesting...

Spite, on 15 December 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

Togg, on 11 December 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 10 December 2014 - 05:20 AM, said:

Just realized that I forgot to mention that the Southern Spirit Portal is now open. The line between the Southern Water Tribe and the Southern Spirit Portal should now be treated as it if it's black. I'll update the map tomorrow.

I note that it is the line between the Northern ones that has been made black...

I note that it is however interesting that you noted this. Inherent interest based on your role/action to do with this?

Interesting because no-one else ever goes back to read the OP? Oh, wait, everyone else went back, quoted the post above the map and missed that the wrong line was coloured black...

Tiamatha, on 16 December 2014 - 12:00 AM, said:

Im ok with a Tulas vote.

Vote Tulas Shorn


However, I am now a bit leary of a non lynch of Togg or Tennes. The fact that we have been redirected twice makes me a bit nervous.

Redirected? From Tennes sure, but from me? That was just a failed lynch, bullshit it was redirected.

Venesara, on 17 December 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

Another drive by vote by Silanah. Is anyone else seeing that?

It's also interesting that you assume that if Spite and I have off thread communications that we are instantly the bad guys. I'm not sure why you assume that the Dark Avatar has regular off thread communications. I would think that the all-powerful role would be more isolated, like the stereotypical killer in a scum vs town game (which is what Blend was going for in creating this game).

If you are not voting for me as the Dark Avatar, I'm not sure what the fuck you are doing, but I am glad that you are returning attention to yourself. I think you've slipped by one too many lynches.

Lack of experience of games with town pairings perhaps?

Ultama, on 17 December 2014 - 03:09 AM, said:

Who were the actors from the 2005 fantastic four movie. I ca n only remember Jessica alba

This is so low. Seriously dude, you're at a quiz and are asking for help? If you want to cheat just google it.

Tholen, on 17 December 2014 - 09:44 AM, said:

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So ideally we are looking for Unalaq, Eska and Desna.

Hooray, someone does some proper looking at game information. It's only taken how long? So now you know their names how do you propose to find them?

Tiamatha, on 17 December 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

Sorry I havent been around much the last couple of days, we just found out the wife is pregnant so my head hasnt exactly been in the game. Im going to read up

This trumps my reasons for absence, congratulations

[Togg]

Tennes, on 17 December 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:

Tholen, on 17 December 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

Ultama, on 16 December 2014 - 02:27 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 18 November 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

Will Korra discover that her plan to connect the Spirit Realm to the Physical Realm could have dark consequences? Will the machinations of all the other players in this game get in her way or hinder her? Can Team Avatar pull together to defeat the Dark Avatar?

Korbas, on 10 December 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 10 December 2014 - 05:23 PM, said:

Korbas, on 10 December 2014 - 05:52 AM, said:

With Varrick dead, my personal VC and ability are gone. I don't see any particular downside for town to doing this so I'm Asami.

Korbas, can you (if your allowed) quote you Victory Conditions and any specific abilities connected to Varrick? Maybe it will help us.

I had to be on the same tile with him and use a specialized ability to convince him to make a deal to save Future Industries.
General VC is the Dark Avatar must be deceased.

I asked PS whether Varrick was town or scum. He told me that the information on the thread was all we were going to get. One of the independent roles maybe?

Tennes, on 12 December 2014 - 05:19 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 12 December 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 December 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

The Northern Spirit Portal is now open. Harmonic Convergence has begun.It is now Day 3. 36 hours remaining.13 players still alive: Korbas, Korlat, Rikkter, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Togg, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, Venesara7 votes for a lynch; 7 votes to go Night.13 players not voted: Korbas, Korlat, Rikkter, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Togg, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, VenesaraWeekend freeze will start when there are 12 hours remaining in Day 3. Any votes placed over the weekend will count.

So there was no night kill yet again. Or am I missing it? This either means that the deaths will =start right now as the "Harmonic Convergence has begun" or because whoever is scum has not gave in any orders, maybe because they didn't have the time? Maybe but doesn't seem all too possible.

At the moment I am thinking its because of one of 2 reasons;

1. That there are location requirments (in the same zone or adjacent or something?) for scum using their NK and they haven't got lucky yet or
2. That the scums actual goal is simply to get into position to raise the dark avatar and we have to find and catch them before then.

Pretty sure that the chances of scum not submitting actions for full 2 days in a row is probably nil Even a low poster if they saw they got scum would take the time necessary to try and screw people

Here's what I don't like about this from Tennes. Korbas's claim for VCs are a dead Dark Avatar, which lines up with the OP. Then Tennes goes and says maybe town's goal is to prevent scum from raising the Dark Avatar?? That sounds very off to me. It makes me wish we had a Tennes lynch going, actually.

See to me the Dark Avatar does not yet exist, but Unalaq is trying to become him. So if we wiped out Unalaq then the Dark Avatar cannot exist? This is what I think he is getting at?

Pretty much yeah. We know for a fact that the dark avatar didn't exist at the start of the game, and it is HIGHLY unlikely they do at the moment unless they got lucky with the Spirit of Iroh visiting the southern spirit portal the day after it opoened. Can anyone confirm/deny that this happened? If you were in the southern portal ASAP and haven't been able to choose a destination yet then we know that the dark avatar does STILL not exist. So what we have at the moment are the thee scum below (according to Tholen at any rate, in his post here: http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1164882

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Unalaq - Korra's uncle, Chief of the Northern Water Tribe, waterbender
Eska - Unalaq's daughter, waterbender
Desna - Unalaq's son, waterbender

So if we manage to lynch/kill/screw with these people enough before they reach the tree then we can pre-empt the dark avatar from even coming into the game.

You've got me totally blind-sided with knowledge of what it takes to summon the dark avatar. It's not in your PM is it because those conditions look highly specific...

Tennes, on 17 December 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Tholen, on 17 December 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Sorry bro, but it is the underlined we are all concerned with.

I don't see why you are quoting the wrong thing. What do you know about the spirit thing visiting places and raising the dark avatar? That's information none of us has

It's the information everyone has.

1. The setup states that Unalaq has to reach the tree to release the Vaatu. T herefore the "Dark Avatar" doesn't exist (YET)
2. The Spirit of Iroh is the only way to specify a location (PS has updated me and let me know you can move RANDOMLY without his help)
3. To reach the tree of life, Unalaq needed to move into one of thte spirit portals and move randomly or ask Iroh for help to reach the tree.
4. Because it is so early, only someone who moved to the souther spirit portal on the earliest day could have moved in the spirit realm at all.
5. If Iroh was at the portal, then he COULD have moved to the tree of life and thus could have become the dark avatar.

If he wasn't at the southern water tribe at the right time he can't possibly be at the tree yet. If he was, he needed to be ( a ) lucky or ( b ) have the spirit of Iroh to reach it. Don't know if he becomes the avatar as soon as he steps onto it or what, but until he reaches it, he ain't the dark avatar.

...but possible to extrapolate from the OP indeed. Scrambling or paying attention to thread is the question.

Tholen, on 17 December 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

Tennes, on 17 December 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Tholen, on 17 December 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Sorry bro, but it is the underlined we are all concerned with.

I don't see why you are quoting the wrong thing. What do you know about the spirit thing visiting places and raising the dark avatar? That's information none of us has

It's the information everyone has.

1. The setup states that Unalaq has to reach the tree to release the Vaatu. T herefore the "Dark Avatar" doesn't exist (YET)
2. The Spirit of Iroh is the only way to specify a location (PS has updated me and let me know you can move RANDOMLY without his help)
3. To reach the tree of life, Unalaq needed to move into one of thte spirit portals and move randomly or ask Iroh for help to reach the tree.
4. Because it is so early, only someone who moved to the souther spirit portal on the earliest day could have moved in the spirit realm at all.
5. If Iroh was at the portal, then he COULD have moved to the tree of life and thus could have become the dark avatar.

If he wasn't at the southern water tribe at the right time he can't possibly be at the tree yet. If he was, he needed to be ( a ) lucky or ( b ) have the spirit of Iroh to reach it. Don't know if he becomes the avatar as soon as he steps onto it or what, but until he reaches it, he ain't the dark avatar.

You are hanging yourself. Doesn't say he has to reach the tree.

Doesn't say the spirit things helps you move to a specific location.

My role pm says i'd just go to a random location if I entered the spirit realm.

How do you know number 3? I don't.

Why would Iroh become the dark avatar?



I think you need to be lynched. You obviously have the most Dark Avatar knowledge out of us all.

Through an ability or by moving over one of the two black lines?

Tennes, on 17 December 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

Tholen, on 17 December 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

Yeah sorry. I am looking at it like he is Unalaq hiding behing the spirit that travels the spirit realm.

BTW I get that I have done a lot of stuff that has pissed people off in this game, but give me a little credit here, if I was the head honcho I'd be a LITTLE more circumspect than my play so far lol

Well yeah, meet the subsidiary scum known as the symp...

[Togg]

Tholen, on 18 December 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

But don't let me distract your thorough read up.

No that thorough as it happens.

[Togg]

So, we've had no NKs so far. That's absolutely bloody brilliant from my POV, I don't know about the rest of you.

What does it imply?

Anyone with an attack has a range. Good - scum more likely to have NKs and we can move around making hitting us hard.

Possibly implies that scum have to divert NAs to summoning/whateverthefuck they need to do for this dark avatar. Good - less they try to kill town the better.

This isn't going to be a fast game. Good & Bad - we have time to ponder, to look into each alt multiple times. It may take a dozen NAs to raise the whatsit (note likely multiple scum so possibly a combined total needed between them) so we have time however we're also lynching poorly, costing us.


After reading through I want to vote Korlat. However for the moment Sorrit has been such a non-entity (even compared to me) that I'm goig to swing that way.

Vote Sorrit

[Tholen]

Togg, on 18 December 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

So, we've had no NKs so far. That's absolutely bloody brilliant from my POV, I don't know about the rest of you.

What does it imply?

Anyone with an attack has a range. Good - scum more likely to have NKs and we can move around making hitting us hard.

Possibly implies that scum have to divert NAs to summoning/whateverthefuck they need to do for this dark avatar. Good - less they try to kill town the better.

This isn't going to be a fast game. Good & Bad - we have time to ponder, to look into each alt multiple times. It may take a dozen NAs to raise the whatsit (note likely multiple scum so possibly a combined total needed between them) so we have time however we're also lynching poorly, costing us.


After reading through I want to vote Korlat. However for the moment Sorrit has been such a non-entity (even compared to me) that I'm goig to swing that way.

Vote Sorrit

I agree with the Sorrit vote at this point for the mere fact that they have done so little in terms of gameplay. At least other lower entities like Silanah have voted and done some constructive posts. I have looked over Sorrit and I don't think he has one post that is constructive to town. Like Rikkter says, we could need him down the line and it is worrying that he has not voted as of yet.


Vote Sorrit

[Tholen]

Togg, on 18 December 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

Tholen, on 17 December 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

You are hanging yourself. Doesn't say he has to reach the tree.

Doesn't say the spirit things helps you move to a specific location.

My role pm says i'd just go to a random location if I entered the spirit realm.

Through an ability or by moving over one of the two black lines?

I may only move along the black lines.

Togg, on 18 December 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

snip

Tennes, on 17 December 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

BTW I get that I have done a lot of stuff that has pissed people off in this game, but give me a little credit here, if I was the head honcho I'd be a LITTLE more circumspect than my play so far lol

Well yeah, meet the subsidiary scum known as the symp...

So if you think Tennes is the symp, who do you think he is symping?

[Tholen]

From all those exchanges I did end up a little confused, but reading back it does look like Tennes has more information than the rest of us, and is hiding behind the breakdown of the OP. It's confusing for us, but it seems to easy for him to grasp, as he has knowledge that we do not.

[Tiamatha]

I went back and checked on something that was bothering me yesterday. Has anyone else noticed the posts and time stamps on Rikkter and Silanah? They seem to be posting very closely together an awful lot. Maybe Im seeing things, but on more times than make me comfortable those two are posting within 10 minutes of each other. Possible off thread Comms? Also on Days 1 and 3 they are back to back on the lynch train and the fact that they are always in agreement. I havent thrown up a big wall of posts because its just way too big and annoying, but go look at the interplay between the two. Does this make them scum? Not necessarily. But I would like to hear other thoughts on what people see here.

I am certainly ok with a Sorrit vote. At this point their non-contributing ass needs to get out of the way.

[Tennes]

Tholen, on 18 December 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

From all those exchanges I did end up a little confused, but reading back it does look like Tennes has more information than the rest of us, and is hiding behind the breakdown of the OP. It's confusing for us, but it seems to easy for him to grasp, as he has knowledge that we do not.

Or I have played the last dresden game and learned intimately how movement mechanics work

If you think I have said something that does require further knowledge ask me what it is, and where I got my informarion.

Will it be beneficial to reveal my identity to help us move past this issue once and for all? Not too worried about being targeted given the utter lack of NKs.

[Path-Shaper]

Wan Shi Tong appears to everyone to say that the following people are in his Spirit Library:

Tennes
Tiamatha

[Korbas]

Tennes, on 18 December 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

Not too worried about being targeted given the utter lack of NKs.

Path-Shaper, on 18 December 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Wan Shi Tong appears to everyone to say that the following people are in his Spirit Library:

Tennes
Tiamatha

Are you worried now?

[Korbas]

Vote Sorrit

[Tholen]

Path-Shaper, on 18 December 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Wan Shi Tong appears to everyone to say that the following people are in his Spirit Library:

Tennes
Tiamatha

This is very interesting.

[Korlat]

So two people are in the SPirit Library, that means, if memory serves correctly, they are now dependent on the Spirit to get them out. Can they hop to the Tree of Life? If so if either of them are Unalaq then we are so badly fucked.

Personally I am suspicious of Tennes, coz even though he has offered to reveal his name it won't matter if he is just one jump away from Dark Avatar. On another note what if Tennes is in cahoots with somebody, a relatively low poster like Sorrit and is pullng a distraction, while Sorrit moves silently?

Can't work up the energy to quote posts as I just got in after yet another 14 hour day. And before anybody accuses me of being a low-poster, I just want to say that I can't access the net at work, not even from my mobile not even during my lunch break (especially as my lunch break today was 15 minutes of munching on peanuts, half a cucumber and an orange.)

Of course going by the super-paranoid state of the game this is probably going to earn me some lynch votes.

Frankly,

Vote Tennes

[Tennes]

Not worried still.

I will be happy to vote sorrit, but not yet, we don't want such a quick day I think.

[Korbas]

Tholen, on 18 December 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 18 December 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Wan Shi Tong appears to everyone to say that the following people are in his Spirit Library:

Tennes
Tiamatha

This is very interesting.

The OP states that wan Shi Tong works for Unulaq. Would he broadcast the location of Unulaq? Or does he do it to everybody?

Also, that means that the Iroh one is not at the library no?

[Tennes]

Tiamatha, if you are amenable, we can work a little magic together if you are able to confirm your identity and place on team avatar. The other option is less nice.

[Rikkter]

Tiamatha, on 18 December 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

I went back and checked on something that was bothering me yesterday. Has anyone else noticed the posts and time stamps on Rikkter and Silanah? They seem to be posting very closely together an awful lot. Maybe Im seeing things, but on more times than make me comfortable those two are posting within 10 minutes of each other. Possible off thread Comms? Also on Days 1 and 3 they are back to back on the lynch train and the fact that they are always in agreement. I havent thrown up a big wall of posts because its just way too big and annoying, but go look at the interplay between the two. Does this make them scum? Not necessarily. But I would like to hear other thoughts on what people see here.I am certainly ok with a Sorrit vote. At this point their non-contributing ass needs to get out of the way.

Cant really show you anything to prove we are not in cahoots but I at least can acknowledge the post and say that there is no convos between us or anything else shady. At least not on my end.

[Rikkter]

Tennes, on 18 December 2014 - 05:29 PM, said:

Tiamatha, if you are amenable, we can work a little magic together if you are able to confirm your identity and place on team avatar. The other option is less nice.

What exactly does that mean?