[Nicodimas]

Chill we all know nothing, but good stuff would occur with some US policy being implemented on countries of need.

Hence Peacekeeper bases!

Anyhow this isn't a gun thread..I will start one for you all since you showed interest.

Back to Ebola.

[LinearPhilosopher]

Nicodimas, on 15 October 2014 - 07:24 PM, said:

Chill we all know nothing, but good stuff would occur with some US policy being implemented on countries of need.

Hence Peacekeeper bases!

Anyhow this isn't a gun thread..I will start one for you all since you showed interest.

Back to Ebola.

US policies? agreed. Let's get some more governments overturned. And while we're at it guns for every1, after all gun's don't kill people, people kill people. We also need to start ruining local industry so we can establish our multi nationals better as only american companies can be trusted with the economic future of everyone. Then we need to start regulating food everywhere. Fruits labeled as vegetables, meats labbelled as vegetables, after all american nutrition is the gretest in the world. Every country could do with more mcdonalds/KFC/wendys/wal-marts etc. All hail the american way! I for one welcome our new american overlords.

[Nicodimas]

I think after reflecting the best thing we got going is we identified its out there traveling around.

One suspected case in Istanbul as of today..

Someday one of these will kick our asses..I think everything will be calm and people won't be paying attention..Paying attention is a good thing as we are seemingly on the offensive now.

[Gorefest]

Nicodimas, on 15 October 2014 - 07:24 PM, said:

Chill we all know nothing, but good stuff would occur with some US policy being implemented on countries of need.

US policies like the healthcare system? Considering the US and Spain seem to be the only two Western countries with reported cases and the US seems rather clumsy in keeping the infection spread down, not sure if that is the scenario that they should be modeling their policies on, with all due respect.

[Tattersail_]

http://www.theeventc...hots-red-cross/

I have a lot to say but read this article.

[EmperorMagus]

Tattersail_, on 17 October 2014 - 06:22 AM, said:

http://www.theeventc...hots-red-cross/

I have a lot to say but read this article.

I call bullshit. The whole premise is built upon the assumption that US needs to invade somewhere to control it, oh and that US is a diabolical comic character. (which isn't that far fetched, now that I think of it )

[Tattersail_]

If Ebola is spread from Human to Human then why are they allowing flights in and out of the country?

Why have the US and UK taken an interest in those particular countries (diamonds and oil) and not other countries?


What do Sweden and Denmark, and Germany and France and Italy and Spain etc have to say about it? What are they doing to prevent an epidemic?

What is happening in Ukraine? This was all the news not so long ago but then it went to Israel and Palestine and now it is all about Africa.

When the news comes on the TV why is it only focusing on one of these problems for a little time and then moving on to the next one?

Surely the news should come on the TV and in an hour they should be able to address each of these topics and more, we just need bullet point facts instead of some of the shit they put out.

That guy who wrote that article is a freelance journalist meaning he is not restricted to a set of rules. I don't know what to believe these days. Here in England it is either the Ebola outbreak or a terrorist attack, it is propaganda at the highest level, they are forcing the dumb people of this country to be racist, and scared and I will not be surprised if an attack happens soon. Whether sanctioned by the government or some guy waking up one day and deciding he wants to blow up some people.

What do you believe? How will we know? How can we make a difference? What is the point of just talking about it and not being able to do anything about it?

[Gorefest]

Tattersail_, on 17 October 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

When the news comes on the TV why is it only focusing on one of these problems for a little time and then moving on to the next one?

Surely the news should come on the TV and in an hour they should be able to address each of these topics and more, we just need bullet point facts instead of some of the shit they put out.

Don't know what news you watch on TV, but over here it actually does that. And last time I checked I lived in the UK. We get to see all the current events on Ebola, Ukraine, Israel, etc whenever there is something new to report. Plus there are plenty of current event shows that will focus on a specific topic in more detail. Maybe you should try a few different channels if your current preferred news channel does not actually provide you with all the relevant current news?

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[Morgoth]

I think the issue, tatts, is not that they're not talking about it anymore, but that you've been so saturated with news from those regions they hardly register.

[Nicodimas]

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What do you believe? How will we know? How can we make a difference?

Spot on Tatt.. I detest this line of logic in the fact the media flips through important stories almost on a 2-3 week timeline. I imagine it will be the stock market in a month.
Ebola will be pushed aside, except the troops will be on the ground then..maybe that was the goal with the Chinese these days claiming resources, but that is a different topic too.

I do have the answer to question one: The stock market would plummet if they start restricted airfare in that manner, it's that fragile. Globalism and all that.

Another good question is How is India Preparing..that virus getting there would be way worse.

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[EmperorMagus]

Tattersail_, on 17 October 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

If Ebola is spread from Human to Human then why are they allowing flights in and out of the country?
Because if they do not, people wanting to get out of said countries will just use land to go to a neighboring country and fly from there, making it harder for governments to monitor the situation.

Why have the US and UK taken an interest in those particular countries (diamonds and oil) and not other countries?
Because those countries are where the Disease is?

What do Sweden and Denmark, and Germany and France and Italy and Spain etc have to say about it? What are they doing to prevent an epidemic?
How is that relevant to the Virus being something that is actually transmitted by it's vaccine?

What is happening in Ukraine? This was all the news not so long ago but then it went to Israel and Palestine and now it is all about Africa.
Already answered. But check out Guardian.co.uk from time to time, has very good articles most of the time.

When the news comes on the TV why is it only focusing on one of these problems for a little time and then moving on to the next one?
Because TV is stupid? Don't watch it.
Surely the news should come on the TV and in an hour they should be able to address each of these topics and more, we just need bullet point facts instead of some of the shit they put out.
TV is stupid, as mentioned above.

That guy who wrote that article is a freelance journalist meaning he is not restricted to a set of rules. I don't know what to believe these days. Here in England it is either the Ebola outbreak or a terrorist attack, it is propaganda at the highest level, they are forcing the dumb people of this country to be racist, and scared and I will not be surprised if an attack happens soon. Whether sanctioned by the government or some guy waking up one day and deciding he wants to blow up some people.
I cannot disagree that governments are using these things and blowing them out of proportion to limit personal freedom in some countries.

What do you believe? How will we know? How can we make a difference? What is the point of just talking about it and not being able to do anything about it?
I believe that Ebola is a virus that spreads incredibly slowly and has a mortality rate of between 50% to 70% in Africa. Where there is a lot of malnutritioned and immunodeficent people. It makes me think that even if I contract it (extremely unlikely) I will easily survive it as I am young and healthy.
Actually, people can do a lot if they decided to do something, the problem is most people just don't care. If there was a lot of interest in useful and factual news, then I'm pretty sure news channels would have done that. But scaremongering sells.

[Nicodimas]

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I believe that Ebola is a virus that spreads incredibly slowly and has a mortality rate of between 50% to 70% in Africa

Is there anything that really shows this to be true..I mean due to 3rd world area malnutrition and socioeconomic factors. In some ways due the way the diet works here in America...fast food nation/terrible diets/high reliance on antibiotics for a sneeze, who's to say that it doesn't hurt US more.

I guess who is to say an American who hasn't been exposed 3rd world conditions.. who can just get an anti-biotic... is better inclined to fight this off Vs a foreigner who is constantly being exposed to all these diseases.

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[D'iversify]

The London Review of Books published an excellent article on Ebola which emphasises that the big issue with tackling Ebola in West Africa is "staff, stuff, space and systems": http://www.lrb.co.uk...hq_v=71001e42a3

Key Quote: "Here’s my assertion as an infectious disease specialist: if patients are promptly diagnosed and receive aggressive supportive care – including fluid resuscitation, electrolyte replacement and blood products – the great majority, as many as 90 per cent, should survive".

[Gorefest]

Nicodimas, on 21 October 2014 - 01:04 AM, said:

I guess who is to say an American who hasn't been exposed 3rd world conditions.. who can just get an anti-biotic... is better inclined to fight this off Vs a foreigner who is constantly being exposed to all these diseases.

Well, I don't think antibiotics will do very much to combat a viral disease.

I get the underlying sentiment and indeed your immune system should be more robust when it gets more exposed to small to moderate levels of microbes, but I don't think that rationale translates to viral diseases such as Ebola which actively hide from the immune system and are present in high viral load. So at that point the health of the individual, i.e. the physical strength to combat the disease, becomes a far more important factor. So access to a sterile environment, nutricious food, water and 24h care will beat having drank water from a village well as a kid time and time again.

[Nicodimas]

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So access to a sterile environment, nutricious food, water and 24h care will beat having drank water from a village well as a kid time and time again.

Bro, somewhat Nutritious food...and I would hardly argue anyone lives in a Sterile Environment...

Haha I missed this..
http://www.huffingto..._n_5990584.html

This has got...to be the funniest.. thing I have read in awhile. Well the scene in my head, can you imagine that stuff?

[Gorefest]

Nicodimas, on 22 October 2014 - 12:21 AM, said:

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So access to a sterile environment, nutricious food, water and 24h care will beat having drank water from a village well as a kid time and time again.

Bro, somewhat Nutritious food...and I would hardly argue anyone lives in a Sterile Environment...

I meant access to hospitals with good sterile areas when already having attracted the disease, and access to healthy meals while there to keep up your strength in order for your body to fully focus on combating the infection.

[Nicodimas]

Oh...right...

You think an American hospital are Sterile..huh? realistically anytime i go to them..i get a horrible cold.

Ever heard of MRSA..know any nurses..ask them about the realistic problems about MRSA..in the hospital setting.

right...

no really ask a person in the field..they ..or hospitals have serious problem this.

Disclosure: My bro is a firefighter..one person in his crew dropped off a person at a hospital..cut himself there.
got MSRA lost 1/3 of his triceps. goodtimes.

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[Illuyankas]

[Standard 'anecdote is not data' disclaimer]

[Gorefest]

Nicodimas, on 23 October 2014 - 08:26 AM, said:

You think an American hospital are Sterile..huh? realistically anytime i go to them..i get a horrible cold.

In comparison to a local or field hospital in Liberia or Sierra Leone? Yep.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Some good news I heard about this yesterday - apparently an effective treatment is being developed where antibodies from ebola survivors' blood is harvested and transfused into sick or at-risk patients. They are talking about it being available for health-care workers first and the rest of the population later, with the fastest-moving efforts in Liberia.

The experimental Canadian-made vaccine I referred to upthread has apparently been shipped to Geneva for clinical trials. They have 250 of them over there already with another 800 promised. This was the vaccine that showed good results in primate studies but is as yet untested on a large human sample.

Hopefully the trials go well. If they can ramp up production on a good-working vaccine then they'll have a much better chance at beating back the spread of the disease.