[Tiamatha]

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Once the following are dead, you win:
1) Dragon
2) Dragon Cult
3) Shark-Face

You may not return after winning, as it bores you.

Yeah... this is not screaming 'team player' at me.

what are you VC's? If you are such a team player you'll share with us

[Karatallid]

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:25 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Once the following are dead, you win:
1) Dragon
2) Dragon Cult
3) Shark-Face

You may not return after winning, as it bores you.

Yeah... this is not screaming 'team player' at me.

what are you VC's? If you are such a team player you'll share with us

Not how it works, my friend. You may be content to spray all and sundry with your information, but this is still a faction game, and if/when the cult is removed this is likely to come back and bite you.

Also, you still haven't answered our questions about Korvalain.

[Tiamatha]

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:25 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Once the following are dead, you win:
1) Dragon
2) Dragon Cult
3) Shark-Face

You may not return after winning, as it bores you.

Yeah... this is not screaming 'team player' at me.

what are you VC's? If you are such a team player you'll share with us

Not how it works, my friend. You may be content to spray all and sundry with your information, but this is still a faction game, and if/when the cult is removed this is likely to come back and bite you.

Also, you still haven't answered our questions about Korvalain.

Why should I when you are not going to answer anything regarding you?

I think the way you have been the last few posts suggests that you are the one with the recruit ability.


Dragon, I want Karatallid Gone!

[Karatallid]

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:25 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Once the following are dead, you win:
1) Dragon
2) Dragon Cult
3) Shark-Face

You may not return after winning, as it bores you.

Yeah... this is not screaming 'team player' at me.

what are you VC's? If you are such a team player you'll share with us

Not how it works, my friend. You may be content to spray all and sundry with your information, but this is still a faction game, and if/when the cult is removed this is likely to come back and bite you.

Also, you still haven't answered our questions about Korvalain.

Why should I when you are not going to answer anything regarding you?

I think the way you have been the last few posts suggests that you are the one with the recruit ability.


Dragon, I want Karatallid Gone!

You're an idiot. And you're deluded if you think that your sharing of information is going to stop anyone from stabbing you in the back if it furthers their own VCs, teamwork or no. THAT is why I'm not sharing my VCs. Anything that I share about myself makes it easier for other people to figure out who I am.

[Karatallid]

Also, you're even more deluded if you think naming HALF of the players in the game and saying 'one of them is the recruiter' is actually going to help figure out who that recruiter is.

[Tholen]

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:48 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:25 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Once the following are dead, you win:
1) Dragon
2) Dragon Cult
3) Shark-Face

You may not return after winning, as it bores you.

Yeah... this is not screaming 'team player' at me.

what are you VC's? If you are such a team player you'll share with us

Not how it works, my friend. You may be content to spray all and sundry with your information, but this is still a faction game, and if/when the cult is removed this is likely to come back and bite you.

Also, you still haven't answered our questions about Korvalain.

Why should I when you are not going to answer anything regarding you?

I think the way you have been the last few posts suggests that you are the one with the recruit ability.


Dragon, I want Karatallid Gone!

You're an idiot. And you're deluded if you think that your sharing of information is going to stop anyone from stabbing you in the back if it furthers their own VCs, teamwork or no. THAT is why I'm not sharing my VCs. Anything that I share about myself makes it easier for other people to figure out who I am.

I am seriously unable to shake the feeling that Korvalain just took Tiamatha's place in the game.

He positively identifies him only to show up as the identity he accused someone else of being, and has been posting in a very similar style (i.e. very agressive, doesn't seem to care whehter le lives or dies) Spewing whatever information he feels like on thread with no regard to the consequences.

[Kalse]

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:22 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Once the following are dead, you win:
1) Dragon
2) Dragon Cult
3) Shark-Face

You may not return after winning, as it bores you.

Yeah... this is not screaming 'team player' at me.

Well I think the information exchange is. I think someone hunting cult is someone who should be on your side no?

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy if PS doesn't say he's my friend.

[Korabas]

Here and reading up

[Tholen]

Too bloody quiet!

NOISE!

NOISE AND THINGS!



Feed
Fly Fast
Fly Fast
Look at Andii
MeatShield
Message to Gard
Message to Marcone
Patrol
Recruit
Shotgun
Sonic Boom
Summon Guardian


Obviously the "Sonic Boom" abilitiy is what woke everyone up.

Are Gard and Marcone characters in the dresdenverse?

Can't really guess what most of the other abilities might be except obviously "patrol" "recruit" and "shotgun"

What interplay of abilities happened last night that resulted in no kills? Maybe just as simple as people were in the wrong rooms. This is going to be fun

[Korabas]

One thing that strikes me is that Tiam is claiming much of an info role like Korv just did

[Korlat]

Kalse, on 12 August 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy if PS doesn't say he's my friend.

much rep post game

[Kalse]

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 08:35 AM, said:

Nope again. Korvalain clearly accused you of being a walker, although because he was also foolish he got the names mixed up.

Korvalain, on 11 August 2014 - 03:41 PM, said:

I could have made this game quite entertaining. However;

Tiamatha, on 11 August 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 11 August 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

Korlat, on 11 August 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 11 August 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

Thoust Mortals Shall Fear Me!

Dragon, I want Korvalain gone.

Potentially the fastest day one lynch?

Dragon, I want Korvalain gone.

You know I think he is using some sort of reverse psychology.

Korvalain, suck it!

For that I am going to ruin your game Tiam! I may be lynched but I hope they get you tonight.

Tiamatha is He Who Walks Before. He cannot be lynched and he will be in the Library tonight. I have sent him there via an ability. If you want He Who Walks Behind dead, then target Tiamatha at the Library tonight.

I will take him with me

Please discuss.

Or he reasoned that if we lynched him, this would be the ultimate distancing from Tiam.
Funnily, Tiam states his VC as

Quote

Once the following are dead, you win:
1) Dragon
2) Dragon Cult
3) Shark-Face

You may not return after winning, as it bores you.

OK. So Korvalain is He Who Walks Behind. If your Victory condition isn't doctored, then he wasn't your enemy as he wasn't Shark-face (He Who Walks Before). So, why did he attack you?


Now, we can arrive at two mutually exclusive theories.
I. a Walker has multiple alts (as someone mentioned, 21 players is quite a lot of players considering recent activity) and you are actually Korv in a different alt and Korv attacking you was distancing to keep one alt around. You went completely quiet yesterday only to go on the offensive today.

II. You are a different Walker and there's a circular VC for all Walkers (a maximum of three according to Dresdenwiki - which would be):

Before needs Behind dead
Behind needs He Who is Stuck in the Middle (that would be you) dead,
Stuck in the Middle needs Before dead.

That would only work if there are three Walkers around based on your VC (once again, if it wasn't doctored). Dresdenwiki mentions there's three but the books have only seen two. So maybe it's

Before needs Behind dead
Behind needs Before dead

Which means you are Before = Shark-Face.

Korv also said wasn't able to kill, and what we've seen so far from your abilities is that they are uniquely sorted to quickly narrow down the thread to a handful of players to out a cult leader (already you could scratch of half the field from being one, unless there's multiple and one didn't do anything last night).

Since my ability was in your list, I am willing to believe you on being accurate (and wonder what this thingie with Tholen is).
I would go as far as saying a Cult Leader is a worry (how big a worry it is, is partially affected by how the recruit ability could worded), but... you might already have fulfilled 1 out of 3 of your VCs, yourself, too (if you're Shark-Face and needed Tatts dead).

Not to mention that everyone with abilities that involve names that give clues to their identity will hate to run the risk to be outed by you. After all, suppose all on the list perform the same abilities again AND one of the unnamed does something that makes them show up with an ability not currently on your list, we can pinpoint that ability to the new person - or, the reverse scenario: someone on the list doesn't perform an ability, it goes missing, their name goes missing, and we can narrow down the list to whom performed what further.

That's also dangerous for a lot of players, I imagine. And that's also why I think it isn't a very good idea to keep you around for very long. Because y'know, I want to win. And thankfully, since I was smart enough to ask for a support cast member by name, I am not essential to victory. But I'd hate to see one or more essential people on my faction recruited or killed as collateral damage of YOU needing US to hunt a cult in order for YOU to win and not caring who you out in the process by slinging your info on thread.

[Kadagar Fant]

I am here! You may all relax and breathe easier. I initially said no to Obdi's plea for me to join, because I knew I would bring an unfair advantage to whatever team I joined with my stunning prowess and enormous intellect. But Obdi begged and begged, so I relented. :cool:

As for the read-up, I don't know about Korv becoming Tiam, but I agree that those VC's don't sound like a team player at all. "You may not return after winning, as it bores you" sounds like power and arrogance - something I have just demonstrated in my opening statement that I know a little something about.

Long story short, I've played enough faction games that an unsolicited infodump on thread is highly suspicious, and if Tholen is telling the truth, not even accurate.

[Kalse]

Kadagar Fant, on 12 August 2014 - 11:32 AM, said:

I am here! You may all relax and breathe easier. I initially said no to Obdi's plea for me to join, because I knew I would bring an unfair advantage to whatever team I joined with my stunning prowess and enormous intellect. But Obdi begged and begged, so I relented. :cool:

As for the read-up, I don't know about Korv becoming Tiam, but I agree that those VC's don't sound like a team player at all. "You may not return after winning, as it bores you" sounds like power and arrogance - something I have just demonstrated in my opening statement that I know a little something about.

Long story short, I've played enough faction games that an unsolicited infodump on thread is highly suspicious, and if Tholen is telling the truth, not even accurate.

Is that you, Morgoth?

[Kadagar Fant]

Crosspost, with a very well reasoned post.

[Kadagar Fant]

Morgoth is only a legend, used to scare little mafia noobs.

[Tiamatha]

Kalse, on 12 August 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 August 2014 - 08:35 AM, said:

Nope again. Korvalain clearly accused you of being a walker, although because he was also foolish he got the names mixed up.

Korvalain, on 11 August 2014 - 03:41 PM, said:

I could have made this game quite entertaining. However;

Tiamatha, on 11 August 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 11 August 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

Korlat, on 11 August 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 11 August 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

Thoust Mortals Shall Fear Me!

Dragon, I want Korvalain gone.

Potentially the fastest day one lynch?

Dragon, I want Korvalain gone.

You know I think he is using some sort of reverse psychology.

Korvalain, suck it!

For that I am going to ruin your game Tiam! I may be lynched but I hope they get you tonight.

Tiamatha is He Who Walks Before. He cannot be lynched and he will be in the Library tonight. I have sent him there via an ability. If you want He Who Walks Behind dead, then target Tiamatha at the Library tonight.

I will take him with me

Please discuss.

Or he reasoned that if we lynched him, this would be the ultimate distancing from Tiam.
Funnily, Tiam states his VC as

Quote

Once the following are dead, you win:
1) Dragon
2) Dragon Cult
3) Shark-Face

You may not return after winning, as it bores you.

OK. So Korvalain is He Who Walks Behind. If your Victory condition isn't doctored, then he wasn't your enemy as he wasn't Shark-face (He Who Walks Before). So, why did he attack you?


Now, we can arrive at two mutually exclusive theories.
I. a Walker has multiple alts (as someone mentioned, 21 players is quite a lot of players considering recent activity) and you are actually Korv in a different alt and Korv attacking you was distancing to keep one alt around. You went completely quiet yesterday only to go on the offensive today.

II. You are a different Walker and there's a circular VC for all Walkers (a maximum of three according to Dresdenwiki - which would be):

Before needs Behind dead
Behind needs He Who is Stuck in the Middle (that would be you) dead,
Stuck in the Middle needs Before dead.

That would only work if there are three Walkers around based on your VC (once again, if it wasn't doctored). Dresdenwiki mentions there's three but the books have only seen two. So maybe it's

Before needs Behind dead
Behind needs Before dead

Which means you are Before = Shark-Face.

Korv also said wasn't able to kill, and what we've seen so far from your abilities is that they are uniquely sorted to quickly narrow down the thread to a handful of players to out a cult leader (already you could scratch of half the field from being one, unless there's multiple and one didn't do anything last night).

Since my ability was in your list, I am willing to believe you on being accurate (and wonder what this thingie with Tholen is).
I would go as far as saying a Cult Leader is a worry (how big a worry it is, is partially affected by how the recruit ability could worded), but... you might already have fulfilled 1 out of 3 of your VCs, yourself, too (if you're Shark-Face and needed Tatts dead).

Not to mention that everyone with abilities that involve names that give clues to their identity will hate to run the risk to be outed by you. After all, suppose all on the list perform the same abilities again AND one of the unnamed does something that makes them show up with an ability not currently on your list, we can pinpoint that ability to the new person - or, the reverse scenario: someone on the list doesn't perform an ability, it goes missing, their name goes missing, and we can narrow down the list to whom performed what further.

That's also dangerous for a lot of players, I imagine. And that's also why I think it isn't a very good idea to keep you around for very long. Because y'know, I want to win. And thankfully, since I was smart enough to ask for a support cast member by name, I am not essential to victory. But I'd hate to see one or more essential people on my faction recruited or killed as collateral damage of YOU needing US to hunt a cult in order for YOU to win and not caring who you out in the process by slinging your info on thread.

So with my information and with the information gathering what would you suggest as the next foot going forward?

[Kalse]

Either we lynch Tulas in the time-honored tradition of Faction Hunting (since he was defending Korv to the max), or we protect our anonimity by lynching you, or we do something else.

[Korlat]

Tiamatha, on 12 August 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

Kalse, on 12 August 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Or he reasoned that if we lynched him, this would be the ultimate distancing from Tiam.
Funnily, Tiam states his VC as

Quote

Once the following are dead, you win:
1) Dragon
2) Dragon Cult
3) Shark-Face

You may not return after winning, as it bores you.

OK. So Korvalain is He Who Walks Behind. If your Victory condition isn't doctored, then he wasn't your enemy as he wasn't Shark-face (He Who Walks Before). So, why did he attack you?


Now, we can arrive at two mutually exclusive theories.
I. a Walker has multiple alts (as someone mentioned, 21 players is quite a lot of players considering recent activity) and you are actually Korv in a different alt and Korv attacking you was distancing to keep one alt around. You went completely quiet yesterday only to go on the offensive today.

II. You are a different Walker and there's a circular VC for all Walkers (a maximum of three according to Dresdenwiki - which would be):

Before needs Behind dead
Behind needs He Who is Stuck in the Middle (that would be you) dead,
Stuck in the Middle needs Before dead.

That would only work if there are three Walkers around based on your VC (once again, if it wasn't doctored). Dresdenwiki mentions there's three but the books have only seen two. So maybe it's

Before needs Behind dead
Behind needs Before dead

Which means you are Before = Shark-Face.

Korv also said wasn't able to kill, and what we've seen so far from your abilities is that they are uniquely sorted to quickly narrow down the thread to a handful of players to out a cult leader (already you could scratch of half the field from being one, unless there's multiple and one didn't do anything last night).

Since my ability was in your list, I am willing to believe you on being accurate (and wonder what this thingie with Tholen is).
I would go as far as saying a Cult Leader is a worry (how big a worry it is, is partially affected by how the recruit ability could worded), but... you might already have fulfilled 1 out of 3 of your VCs, yourself, too (if you're Shark-Face and needed Tatts dead).

Not to mention that everyone with abilities that involve names that give clues to their identity will hate to run the risk to be outed by you. After all, suppose all on the list perform the same abilities again AND one of the unnamed does something that makes them show up with an ability not currently on your list, we can pinpoint that ability to the new person - or, the reverse scenario: someone on the list doesn't perform an ability, it goes missing, their name goes missing, and we can narrow down the list to whom performed what further.

That's also dangerous for a lot of players, I imagine. And that's also why I think it isn't a very good idea to keep you around for very long. Because y'know, I want to win. And thankfully, since I was smart enough to ask for a support cast member by name, I am not essential to victory. But I'd hate to see one or more essential people on my faction recruited or killed as collateral damage of YOU needing US to hunt a cult in order for YOU to win and not caring who you out in the process by slinging your info on thread.

So with my information and with the information gathering what would you suggest as the next foot going forward?

The one on the banana or the one in the grave? Kalse is making a good case for closing the lid on you.

[Tiamatha]

You would prefer not knowing what is going on at night? Maybe if I excluded the list of alts and only let the actions spill out?