[Kaschan]

It is now Day 4. There are 17 hours 12 minutes remaining.

7 players are alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Pallid

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.

1 vote for Kaschan: Galayn Lord
1 vote Eloth: Kaschan
3 vote Ampelas: Denul, Pallid, Eloth

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast,


Pallid I have you as likely town would you mind taking Amp from l -1 so that scum can't potentially hammer.

[Pallid]

remove vote

[Kaschan]

Thank you. There are still quite a few hours left in the day and I do not want an "accidential" hammer until everyone has some kind of chance to post thoughts.

[Pallid]

but to be honest, of the options on the table Amps currently where I'm at, kasch's lack of hammer is encouraging/ suspcious be equal measures.

on one hand he's not running to drop the hammer
I forget who has pointed fingers at who today, need to get the laptop out and see where kasch has been in regards to amp

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 4. There are 17 hours 7 minutes remaining.

7 players are alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Pallid

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.

1 vote Kaschan: Galayn Lord
1 vote Eloth: Kaschan
2 votes Ampelas: Denul, Eloth

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Pallid

[Kaschan]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 05:13 PM, said:

but to be honest, of the options on the table Amps currently where I'm at, kasch's lack of hammer is encouraging/ suspcious be equal measures.

on one hand he's not running to drop the hammer
I forget who has pointed fingers at who today, need to get the laptop out and see where kasch has been in regards to amp

I think that an Eloth lynch would make more sense then an Amp lynch. But that is mainly because I don't think that lynching Amp will clear anything up. While lynching Eloth will help to clear up Amp and possibly GL. But I can see the reasoning behind lynching Amp who Eloth seems to be signaling while leaving a potential healer left in the game. Even though leaving him will allow for the WIFOM to remain.

[Barghast]

I'm on lunch break. It's interesting to see that instead of hammering, Kaschan asked Pallid to remove from Amp. I need to figure out if that's a good or bad thing. Reading up to see where I stand.

[Barghast]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 05:13 PM, said:

but to be honest, of the options on the table Amps currently where I'm at, kasch's lack of hammer is encouraging/ suspcious be equal measures.

on one hand he's not running to drop the hammer
I forget who has pointed fingers at who today, need to get the laptop out and see where kasch has been in regards to amp

I will admit it would have felt REALLY good being the hammer on Amp, but with 7 players left it could possibly be our last decision, and I still need to read over the last couple pages. I guess I can't fault Kaschan for asking for more time to decide, but as the underline in pallid's post says, it could go either way.

Edit - fixed broken code

This post has been edited by Barghast: 30 May 2014 - 05:56 PM

[Pallid]

why would it have felt good to drop the the hammer?

[Barghast]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

I don't like the votes on you Kaschan, but you could be scum.

You're not my top choice for scum because you haven't influenced any lynches and not voted much, ie that is you are not thread manipulating scum, you may discuss things off thread but until we get a scum CF we cannot prove anything like that.

So no, you're the wrong choice today. For example if you are scum and we lynch you, great, but it doesn't lead us to to your partner. Yet if we lynch say Amp and he flips scum then I can certainly look back to see your interactions.

I am not saying you are Amp's partner, I am saying you could be.

Say Amp is not scum, which I find hard to believe I would be voting Eloth, its the safest choice because he is the one who talked wifom early game, he was the one with the healer reveal and he is trying to protect amp, if that is too overt then maybe Amp is being setting up by Eloth who is a killer and revealed healer which is great play. What if Eloth is lynched and flips scum? Would that PI Amp or implicate him more?

I think I would go back to see how Eloth treated me and put that against others.

Kaschan, are you backing Eloth's reveal? You seem to believe him which I cannot do.

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 30 May 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

I don't like the votes on you Kaschan, but you could be scum.

You're not my top choice for scum because you haven't influenced any lynches and not voted much, ie that is you are not thread manipulating scum, you may discuss things off thread but until we get a scum CF we cannot prove anything like that.

So no, you're the wrong choice today. For example if you are scum and we lynch you, great, but it doesn't lead us to to your partner. Yet if we lynch say Amp and he flips scum then I can certainly look back to see your interactions.

I am not saying you are Amp's partner, I am saying you could be.

Say Amp is not scum, which I find hard to believe I would be voting Eloth, its the safest choice because he is the one who talked wifom early game, he was the one with the healer reveal and he is trying to protect amp, if that is too overt then maybe Amp is being setting up by Eloth who is a killer and revealed healer which is great play. What if Eloth is lynched and flips scum? Would that PI Amp or implicate him more?

I think I would go back to see how Eloth treated me and put that against others.

Kaschan, are you backing Eloth's reveal? You seem to believe him which I cannot do.

No I have never backed Eloth's reveal. You can go all the way back and see that I never have. I have constantly questioned it.

If Eloth is symp is he symping Amp or GL?

If he is killer then it worked because he is still here.

I think that if Eloth is anything he is a killer. He has played scummy all game and then when he was going to be lynched he revealed healer with barely enough time left in the day to try to get another lynch. Then conveniently enough there were no deaths that night.

The thing I don't understand with GL is why he would bother revealing if he had a BP. If Eloth isn't a healer but is scum then scum is left wondering if there is a real healer out there since no kills went through. If Eloth withheld his kill then why would GL say that he lost his BP. Makes no sense.

If Eloth is actually a healer then why would GL say that he lost a BP. Not saying anything would make scum think that Eloth wasn't in fact healing Amp but instead healed GL and now they are thrown off and have to play guessing games with whom Eloth is going to heal. That also goes in why would Eloth say on thread that he couldn't heal himself. That makes no sense. Since when does town give scum more information? I mean seriously. Why say any of those things on thread. It makes no sense.

I can't say this one is more scummy then that one because none of what they have said or done has made any sense to me for roled town players to do.

Wut? You're talking as if I would know one way or the other what Eloth is. I revealed so the thread would have a little more info, I.e. scum did not withhold, and Eloth did not prevent the kill by healing Ampelas. And further, Eloth was not the one targetted.

Well obviously Eloth wasn't the one targeted as he was still alive which he would have been if he was the killer. We already knew that either scum withheld or hit something. You saying that it hit your bp says that scum didn't hit a healed player. Which means that you revealing that you had a BP puts the spot light back on Eloth for being scum. Which would be fine if that is why you said it. But you haven't said that.

Which means that you didn't think anything through so (as I am typing this I am starting to think that your town) you probably aren't scum. Which means that Eloth most likely is.

Remove vote

Vote Eloth

Galayn Lord, on 30 May 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

All right, here are my thoughts, because you all asked so nicely.

I see my joke vote has ballooned into a train on Liosan. Not because of anything I did, I just happen to be the first person on there. I'll replace said vote, if necessary, but I am going to

Remove vote

Vote Eloth

because he has answered questions and analyzed some things, yet the only person he can commit to pressure is someone who hasn't even shown up yet. Operation "Good Job" during the "Do Your Best" offensive has been a success, Eloth.

It appears involved. It appears to be active and information gathering-esque. But it lacks any real bite.

S-s-s-shut up, I'm being helpful! You big meanie!

Sukhul isn't the only person I'm interested in, just the one I want to hear from right now. Putting pressure on people to get more involved is more useful this early on, than putting pressure on people you already have an opinion on. It also encourages him to take a serious look at the thread and voice his opinions when he does show up. A different pair of eyes can catch things we might have missed.

Eloth symp trying to signal Ampelas killer with the big meanie line?

There were just too many quotes by Denul that I needed, so his posts of 690 through 708, and the top quote above is the most influential case from the last 4 or so pages. I let my faith in my choices get rattled, and I shouldn't. I was leaning mostly towards Amp, but I didn't want to allow his pissing me off to influence my decision. After reading up I firmly think our best shot is Amp.

The posts by Kaschan and GL lead me to believe they could be his partner, with Eloth as possible symp(although Amp coming back scum doesn't automatically prove Eloth scum, but it would be huge).

I'm leaving a vote for Amp. It'll be interesting to see how the voting plays out from here.

vote Amp

I'll be home from work in 4 or 5 hours depending on traffic and boss.

[Pallid]

I'm not changing my mind

as JC said, let the die be cast

vote amp

[Barghast]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 05:58 PM, said:

why would it have felt good to drop the the hammer?

Talked about it in an earlier post. Just felt he allowed meta reasons to influence his decisions, which I think isn't fair to or team, but in fairness I may have been just being too sensitive to the subject in general. But for the record, I'm betting my enormous ego that he'll come back scum.

[Eloth]

Thats the hammer right?

[Kaschan]

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

Thats the hammer right?

Looks like it

[Kaschan]

Main can I say that I don't understand everyones thinking at all this game. The amount of bullshit connections between players is just staggering. Things that I would normally think would be just obvious moves are just not happening anywhere.

[Path-Shaper]

ST here, let's do a resolve.

It is now Day 4. There are 15 hours 57 minutes remaining.

7 players are alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Pallid

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.

1 vote Kaschan: Galayn Lord
1 vote Eloth: Kaschan
4 votes Ampelas: Denul, Eloth, Barghast, Pallid

Players not voted: Ampelas

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Ampelas (Shinrei) was lynched. He was a Roleless Innocent

[Kaschan]

Eloth if your scum that was a great fake reveal.

[Path-Shaper]

Dawn breaks. Nobody has died.

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It is now Day 5. The timer is now frozen for the weekend with 36 hours remaining.

6 players are alive: Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Pallid

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.

Nobody has voted.

Players not voted: Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Pallid

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 May 2014 - 06:43 PM

[Pallid]

fuck.

I'm on my way into the cinema, be out in a few hours. But fuck if this game hasn't been my worst bit of reading ever

[Pallid]

cross post.

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